IndoAssassin
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People need to get over it. This movie is good. Who cares if characters didnt act according to how you dream they should. This movie was better than that crap from the 70's
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Man of steel teasers & trailers are still so good!! And then the movie...how??
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Glass Rebel
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Pa Kent is the real antagonist of MoS tbh. As soon as he's out of the picture, Supes finally starts using his powers for good.
djplaeskool
Member
I think this is what puts it over the top for me.
The soundtrack is fantastic, and yeah, I admittedly LOVED Zod's portrayal.
The MOS defence squad on that was amazing. "Oh, he isn't being literal." Then came the tornado, the gifs, the Chris Evans memes that turn good posters... cruel
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
None of the quoted lines, unfortunately, had any actual significance in the arc of the movie. I remember Clark's scene in the church being nonsensical following the movie that had preceded it
PhoncipleBone
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MisterHero
Super Member
Like BvS, there weren't enough seens of Superman saving people. They showed all the good stuff in the trailer.
Pa Kent characterization complaint is overdone. Even Jor-El in Superman 78 tells Clark not to interfere in human history. He's a scared human, that's all.
Pa Kent characterization complaint is overdone. Even Jor-El in Superman 78 tells Clark not to interfere in human history. He's a scared human, that's all.
Justin Bailey
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Snyder isn't a good storyteller. He's good at making scenes but he doesn't know how to make them all fit together in an interesting way. His pacing is always all over the place and scene transitions are like "and here's the next scene now." Any given scene out of his movies looks great, but something is off when they flow together.
The whole needs to be greater than the sum of the parts. Snyder doesn't get that.
The whole needs to be greater than the sum of the parts. Snyder doesn't get that.
Bit of a difference between that and "I tried to save the dog, but let me die Clark." The old "he died of a heart attack" thing works because to show Clark he can't save everyone, but he'll try anyway.
Tornado scene is so fucked up.
Glass Rebel
Member
Pa Kent's characterization is just a symptom of a larger problem, namely Clark's character arc. He's the same damn person at the and as he's in the beginning. He uses his powers to save those kids in the schoolbus and he uses his powers to save humanity from Zod. Pa Kent is just there to create the illusion of a conflict by telling Clark to hide his powers but the only thing he achieves is getting killed in a tornado. Neither his presence nor his death has any effect on Clark's actions. He's a fucking dumbass.
Right, because when someone disagrees with you, their opinion is invalid group think simply because you're in the minority. Gotcha. It was not a good movie, pretty objectively, actually ... that doesn't invalidate your liking it; I love a ton of "bad" movies. Still, don't discount everyone else simply because they feel differently.
The trailers really show up the difference between having a solid concept and having the talent to deliver on it in full.
Shorn of all the films issues the railers give a glimpse of the intended core: Kal El as an alien trying to find his place, of representing an evolution for the species as a better individual, or the threats to be faced to achieve this, and of the implications of hiding who you really are for your own mental well being.
Then the film comes along and in full length it fumbles much of the delivery.
That said MoS isn't terrible, just average to mediocre as a film (acting, narrative construction, script, etc) with a few decent action scenes (although I disagree they're excellent, mostly I find they're not well blocked and shot and rely too often of scale and a whole lot of CGI debris/particle effects).
Shorn of all the films issues the railers give a glimpse of the intended core: Kal El as an alien trying to find his place, of representing an evolution for the species as a better individual, or the threats to be faced to achieve this, and of the implications of hiding who you really are for your own mental well being.
Then the film comes along and in full length it fumbles much of the delivery.
That said MoS isn't terrible, just average to mediocre as a film (acting, narrative construction, script, etc) with a few decent action scenes (although I disagree they're excellent, mostly I find they're not well blocked and shot and rely too often of scale and a whole lot of CGI debris/particle effects).
WaterAstro
Member
Watch Trailer 3, and see how it is chronologically edited. From the end of Krypton, to Clark being a child, growing up, disappearing as an adult, then turning into superman in the end.
Then, get to the movie, and it's literally all over the place.
Then, get to the movie, and it's literally all over the place.
IonicSnake
Banned
I liked it actually.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
If you hate this movie, blame Nolan.
Mighty Chin
Banned
I miss these MOS threads. They use to be a weekly occurrence.
Yes.
We're done here.
FunkyPajamas
Member
I liked it. It's not perfect, but it isn't a bad comic book movie.
The movie is awesome if you ask me. It's a poignant story of self-discovery all while asking questions of purpose and dealing with xenophobia. It's a smart script and I generally consider it one of the best origin stories. It would probably be the best if Batman Begins didn't exist.
I'll never understand the hate it gets. Sure, the movie is a little sloppy in some respects and sometimes may overreach (such as the kiss on the wrecked battleground) but overall it's a fantastic effort that mostly hits in the areas it wants to. The action is stellar and it succeeds at providing a Superman that's both relatable and heroic.
I'll never understand the hate it gets. Sure, the movie is a little sloppy in some respects and sometimes may overreach (such as the kiss on the wrecked battleground) but overall it's a fantastic effort that mostly hits in the areas it wants to. The action is stellar and it succeeds at providing a Superman that's both relatable and heroic.
Marion Cobretti
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While the trailers are from another world of awesome, the movie is still very good.
I feel bad for Snyder, this and BvS are the most misunderstood movies of recent time. Feel free to choke on that.
I feel bad for Snyder, this and BvS are the most misunderstood movies of recent time. Feel free to choke on that.
MugiwaraCole
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theCalamity
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I liked Pa Kent and his morally dark take on keeping Supes' identity secret. It provides a nice contrast to Jor-El's view on it..... The problem with that is that this moral ambiguity comes AFTER we see Supes save people. It answered the question before it ever posed one.
NoctisVsStar
Member
MoS was enjoyable granted I'm not a supes fan so idk how the character supposed to work.
They actually are misunderstood. It happens all throughout the history of cinema where movies are received bad at the time of release and then it isn't until years later when new people take a look at it and realize: "Hey, this isn't so bad. It's pretty good."
SonicMegaDrive
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I wouldn't even put MoS above that crap from the '80s.
This is not one of those movies. Man of Steel is very well understood. There's nothing terribly deep here, no matter how much the film wants to hit you over the head with its Christ symbolism.
I actually liked Man of Steel, but let's not pretend Zack Snyder's movies are underappreciated masterpieces.
I pretty much marched in lockstep with Kermode's review that was posted however upon looking at some retrospectives I developed a huge appreciation for the movie. The more people criticise MOS and BVS the better I think the movie is because the movie did a lot of things they complained about but people are too busy bitching to pay attention. See Suoerman never saves anyone:
Biggest irony, Supes in MOS objectively engages in more acts of saving people than Reeves.
Another thing that a annoys me is the Jonathan Kent characterisation> Costner says maybe to saving people and exposing himself to the world and he is worst than Hitler. Shit like Jonathan Kent taught Superman to be daffodils, rainbows and sunshine oh my. When in fact all he taught him was:
MisterHero
Super Member
I wish there was a 2 hours movie of Superman just saving people. The montage in BvS was brief but it was my favorite part of the film. But you gotta show the xenophobic jerks like Luthor and
once in a while.
Batman
Boogie9IGN
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I dunno man, I loved Man of Steel. Even though the whole city destroying fight went on a bit long, the entire intro on Krypton with Russel Crowe was great and the rest of the movie wasn't bad at all.
some of these are pretty big stretches
I used to watch Man of Steel trailer non-stop, and I'm not a huge movie guy. The third one in the OP dragged on a bit for me. This unreleased comic con trailer was still the best for me, imo.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xsc7tl_man-of-steel-2013-comic-con-2012-trailer-vo-hq_shortfilms
What everyone said about the trailer not being the same as the movie and Snyder blah blah is all true. However, I maintain that the bigger problem is that all the action and character problems and such broke the vision of what Superman was supposed to be. The trailer sold us this idea of Superman as an imperfect, flawed child. He overcomes his struggles, his fractured identity, and works through redemption and anguish to become the person he was destined to become. This was never about him, but always the story of us, of man, in him. Jor'el's line about how "...but in time, they will join you in the Sun", said it all.
The Pa Kent scene was dumb not only because it didn't make sense, but because it didn't highlight Superman's weakness (The Donner version was so much better because it capitalized on the crack in Superman's armor: he's not god, there was NOTHING he could do despite him being who he is). Third act turned it from a Superman movie to a superhero movie; that was the final swung of the hammer that shattered the illusion, IMO. By the end, it was becoming just an action movie, and no longer about the story of man.
It still isn't the worst movie ever, but is REALLY flawed, and I'm really sorry it came out the way it did. Kermode's review was solid.
Feels kinda dumb to go on at this length about a trailer, but like the OP, guess the contrast hit me kinda hard.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xsc7tl_man-of-steel-2013-comic-con-2012-trailer-vo-hq_shortfilms
What everyone said about the trailer not being the same as the movie and Snyder blah blah is all true. However, I maintain that the bigger problem is that all the action and character problems and such broke the vision of what Superman was supposed to be. The trailer sold us this idea of Superman as an imperfect, flawed child. He overcomes his struggles, his fractured identity, and works through redemption and anguish to become the person he was destined to become. This was never about him, but always the story of us, of man, in him. Jor'el's line about how "...but in time, they will join you in the Sun", said it all.
The Pa Kent scene was dumb not only because it didn't make sense, but because it didn't highlight Superman's weakness (The Donner version was so much better because it capitalized on the crack in Superman's armor: he's not god, there was NOTHING he could do despite him being who he is). Third act turned it from a Superman movie to a superhero movie; that was the final swung of the hammer that shattered the illusion, IMO. By the end, it was becoming just an action movie, and no longer about the story of man.
It still isn't the worst movie ever, but is REALLY flawed, and I'm really sorry it came out the way it did. Kermode's review was solid.
Feels kinda dumb to go on at this length about a trailer, but like the OP, guess the contrast hit me kinda hard.
BlackBanditSho
Member
Not in the minority. It's my favorite superman movie.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I don't get why watching the 1978 original and feeling good about it would lead to...
...rewatching trailers for a movie you know doesn't work and then wondering why advertisements make things look more attractive than they really are?
Like, why immediately deflate all the enjoyment you just had by purposefully shifting focus to something that doesn't work nearly as well and deciding to talk about that instead?
Not even that, but talking about its marketing.
I don't get it.
I always love how casual Superman is during his interview with Lois. It's one of those things you don't realize is awesome until you think back on it. Part of the reason Reeve resonated so strongly is because he's approachable. He's relatable, despite being SUPERMAN. He's sitting down, smirking - he's making you believe that even though he's an alien from outerspace wearing a "bad outfit" (WHOO) you could just sit down with the dude and bullshit for five or 10 minutes and it wouldn't even be a thing.
You don't really get that sense from most of the other people who have played him.
...rewatching trailers for a movie you know doesn't work and then wondering why advertisements make things look more attractive than they really are?
Like, why immediately deflate all the enjoyment you just had by purposefully shifting focus to something that doesn't work nearly as well and deciding to talk about that instead?
Not even that, but talking about its marketing.
I don't get it.
I always love how casual Superman is during his interview with Lois. It's one of those things you don't realize is awesome until you think back on it. Part of the reason Reeve resonated so strongly is because he's approachable. He's relatable, despite being SUPERMAN. He's sitting down, smirking - he's making you believe that even though he's an alien from outerspace wearing a "bad outfit" (WHOO) you could just sit down with the dude and bullshit for five or 10 minutes and it wouldn't even be a thing.
You don't really get that sense from most of the other people who have played him.
I hated MoS the first, and only time, I watched it. Skipped BvS because of MoS.
The city-destroying fight scenes certainly didn't help much - Superman did a horrible job of damage control and there were probably countless innocent deaths (many more than he saved). Also, the film was cut horribly. I remember just wanting the movie to end at one point due to the cuts alone.
I may give it another shot some day, but I don't understand how people can praise this movie.
The city-destroying fight scenes certainly didn't help much - Superman did a horrible job of damage control and there were probably countless innocent deaths (many more than he saved). Also, the film was cut horribly. I remember just wanting the movie to end at one point due to the cuts alone.
I may give it another shot some day, but I don't understand how people can praise this movie.
rokkerkory
Member
I liked the movie... not perfect by any means but good.
I think BvS is a masterpiece and pretty deep (it's his best work by far) but all that kind of talk comes down to pure preference. I just think the movies have such a strong identity when it comes to visuals, themes and story that it wouldn't surprise me if later on in life people start looking at them in a different light. There's a huge amount of people who love those films already and have spent a long time talking about them and analyzing them exhausting the faucet of discussion. It's been like 4 years since MoS and we're still talking about it as more and more people discover the movie. That's gotta count for something.
If anything, because Snyder is such a genre freak, he'll find a permanent place in genre film lore as one of the greats. This is all just crazy speculation on my part of course, but it's hard to ignore the impression his films have made upon the general audience. They're not easily forgotten movies and because they're so unique in a genre that has been growing stale for awhile, I'd wager that MoS and BvS are more appreciated somewhere down the line.
Reptars Revenge
Member
Fuck that movie. Where are the writers from the D.C. Animated series and movies. Those were so much better.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Man of Steel is a great movie. Best live action Superman.
nhlducks35
Member
Somehow I doubt that
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
How can I trust opinions and be bothered to read these threads when people post comments like this? lol
One of the worst movies you've ever seen? Really? Guess I'll see myself out.
This.
Man of Steel wasn't that bad. Compared to the rest of the DCEU it's a masterpiece.