Need proof.
Everyone knows that Manafort (and Don Jr) did all of this shady shit with Trump's approval. But unless there's an email trail or some other incontrovertible evidence, it doesn't matter.
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Manafort's emails show he sold confidential Trump campaign info to Russian oligarch
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Need proof.
Everyone knows that Manafort (and Don Jr) did all of this shady shit with Trump's approval. But unless there's an email trail or some other incontrovertible evidence, it doesn't matter.
Not sure I agree with this. Any evidence of collusion supports obstruction of justice because it provides intent/motive.
Fenderputty
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Yes but you still need to prove that.
I mean, I think had they not got involved with the Presidential election, they would have probably been in the clear. I'm really not sure what these people were thinking, that have such dirty laundry, thinking it wouldn't somehow get seen on such a large stage.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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Hes so fucked.
Well it certainly could matter come election time. Trump having people tied to him that gave info to Russia and facing criminal charges is not something a lot of the voting block will just ignore, despite what Fox News may try. Especially if Trump is pardoning a lot of his people. People are going to be fickle enough with Trump.
But in terms of anything criminal, I mean yeah, this may not be the end game but hopefully it leads to something.
How About No
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PeakPointMatrix
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For real though. How much jail time will he actually get?
This isn't one of those things that being rich and white will land him two or three months in a minimum security luxuryresort prison right?
This isn't one of those things that being rich and white will land him two or three months in a minimum security luxury
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Trump's been pretty reluctant to criticize anything Russian to be a dude in the dark on everything...
1. Money makes people do stupid things
2. The digging and focus on them would have been unlikely to materialize if they hadn't won
3. They thought they would be kings and could control, cover up anything.
I hope that's what this is. Manafort is a small fish.
Septimus Prime
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Had Trump lost, like they (and we) all thought he would, no one would be looking into any of this.
Problem is that things didn't pan out for anyone.
I don't know how comfortable I am with everyone (everyone) putting their hopes on Manafort (or anyone) flipping. That is certainly not a sure thing. Additionally, whatever crime involved here is likely to be a federal one, which Trump could pardon.
His base won't, and Republicans probably won't. The last few months have proven that it's unlikely that anything will sway them. Particularly when Trump can just blame the prefect Patsy.
We don't need a big wave, just a ripple. Hillary Clinton, who was almost as unfavorable a candidate as Trump, still had 3 million more votes than him. Throw in a candidate people don't hate (justified or not) and there you go. No nothing is for granted, but people act like the public doesn't change the way they vote. They go back and forth, and it doesn't take much to sour them. Obama wouldn't have been president if Republicans are the only ones that can ever win in this political climate.
People need to stop getting their hopes up that Trump is going to be tied to any of this. He doesnt use email so short of there being a recording of him colluding, there is little chance of him being implicated.
Unfortunately we are stuck with him for (at least) 3 1/2 more years.
Unfortunately we are stuck with him for (at least) 3 1/2 more years.
plagiarize
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Manafort and Flynn are a given at this point. How much further does the rot go? That's the question at this point.
Get witnesses
Everyone else has proven to be complete idiots too, not just Manafort.
polyh3dron
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WE GOT HIM
BobTheFork
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You get the Capos to turn on the Donald
Im unclear how Manafort selling confidential Trump campaign info to Russia for his own personal gain implicates Trump - in fact it seems to support the opposite. Manafort was in debt for 16 million and he was using his in with trump to try to pay off his debt - essentially he was going to peddle his influence over trump to the Russians. Doesnt scream Trump being complicit
My concern as well.
Even if hes innocent of colluding, hes potentially guillty of obstructing justice
StopMakingSense
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No, it's a fairly common business phrase. It's the guiding principal in loss-based insurance, for example.
Imperfected
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It's actually used quite heavily by spooky ghosts, cultists of primordial horrors, and insane AIs.
Pop-O-Matic
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HP_Wuvcraft
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I believe Trump is 150% guilty, but I also believe that he's so insecure that he sees anyone questioning him or his people as bullies.
RoyaleDuke
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God I hope this nails them all to the fucking wall and treason charges are levied.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Trump has said a lot of fucking amazing shit that human beings just do not get to say and get away with.
Hey look, Manafort is a scumbag, what a complete shock.
I mean, he's been such an upstanding citizen, working with such great people such as Viktor Yanukovych, who totally wasn't corrupt as hell and was removed by a really unfair coup.
That along with lobbying for such lovely democratic rules as Marcos of the Philippines, Sese Seko of the Congo also. And all without registering as a foreign agent.
And now we are shocked, shocked to see that he worked with his mates at the Kremlin during the presidential campaign.
Whoever advised Trump to appoint this guy really, really wanted him facing impeachment. Because nobody sane would have said "Yeah, this guy will be great for you Mr Trump" and actually meant it.
I mean, he's been such an upstanding citizen, working with such great people such as Viktor Yanukovych, who totally wasn't corrupt as hell and was removed by a really unfair coup.
That along with lobbying for such lovely democratic rules as Marcos of the Philippines, Sese Seko of the Congo also. And all without registering as a foreign agent.
And now we are shocked, shocked to see that he worked with his mates at the Kremlin during the presidential campaign.
Whoever advised Trump to appoint this guy really, really wanted him facing impeachment. Because nobody sane would have said "Yeah, this guy will be great for you Mr Trump" and actually meant it.
Manafort was literally the campaign manager.
Plus, we have the stuff on Flynn, Kushner, and Trump Jr. Pence was in charge of the transition team and is directly implicated thanks to Flynn.
Every single person in Trump's inner circle was involved.