Map Comparison: Burnout Paradise Map isn't 200 sq miles
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Delta Force 2 had some kind of infinite landscape generation. And that was like '97 or something.bengraven said:
I just remember running across the fields and mountains and realizing that I've seen that mountain before. I think the game just loads the same terrain map constantly. Regardless, it blew my mind at the time.
OldJadedGamer
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Amir0x said:
Good to see this getting enforced.
Jive Turkey
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There were a lot of bases that were very similar and there were even a couple of bases that were pretty much identical. Same buildings, same vehicles, same everything except there might be an extra SAM site or the entrance was now facing east or something. Not that it still isn't impressive.yellow submarine said:
JoshuaJSlone
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Few games would be completely without realworld comparison. I mean, sure, we could pretend the people in Grand Theft Auto are really 3 miles tall and everything else is at that scale, but realistically the people, vehicles, storeys of buildings, trees should make for a pretty small range of possibilities.Balphon said:
Something set in a crazy world with all-fake creatures or people of strange proportions would be more trouble. I was going to suggest Mario, but oh jeez thanks to Smash Bros. we can measure the worlds of Mario and Sonic in terms of Solid Snake.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
This is why I don't post as much as I used toAmir0x said:
I'm fucking scared of most mods, especially Amir0x.edit: Wow, I just realized this might get me a ban so I'll try contributing something to the thread.
Didn't the map of World of Warcraft actually expand for Cataclysm? And I think Outland should be in it too!
Dark Octave
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Man I need to check out Just Cause 2.
I loved the demo and the huge world but never got around to picking it up.
Someone on Gaf mentioned it getting repetative real quickly and I had flashbacks of Assassin's Creed.
I loved the demo and the huge world but never got around to picking it up.
Someone on Gaf mentioned it getting repetative real quickly and I had flashbacks of Assassin's Creed.
metareferential
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Just Cause 2 and AC are two different worlds, really.
In no way JC2 can get repetitive as AC. Really, JC2 is a true gem. I love it.
Played for hours and hours on the 360, bought again on pc, and I'm at more than 30 hours in, having completed like 4% of the game. I just explore the world, enjoy the scenery, the ever changing (and utterly amazing) weather cycle. No hud, no goals, no limits.
So beautiful. And in 3D is the closest thing we have to virtual reality xD
The game world is huge and incredibly varied. All sorts of natural environments are perfectly recreated. And there's always a new place to discover, even after countless hours spent playing.
It's a game that can be whatever you want it to be.
In no way JC2 can get repetitive as AC. Really, JC2 is a true gem. I love it.
Played for hours and hours on the 360, bought again on pc, and I'm at more than 30 hours in, having completed like 4% of the game. I just explore the world, enjoy the scenery, the ever changing (and utterly amazing) weather cycle. No hud, no goals, no limits.
So beautiful. And in 3D is the closest thing we have to virtual reality xD
The game world is huge and incredibly varied. All sorts of natural environments are perfectly recreated. And there's always a new place to discover, even after countless hours spent playing.
It's a game that can be whatever you want it to be.
Yoshichan said:This is why I don't post as much as I used to
edit: Wow, I just realized this might get me a ban so I'll try contributing something to the thread.
Didn't the map of World of Warcraft actually expand for Cataclysm? And I think Outland should be in it too!
One doesn't need to fear mods as long as you're contributing to threads and not trying to be reductive about people's points by attacking them or their threads with one line answers/animated gifs and not their positions.
For JOHN in this topic, this ban was the culmination of a posting career of really bad posting habits. He's been banned multiple times before for similar infractions and worse, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. To my knowledge you are not on similar thin ice. Relax
I think it is important other neoGAFers understand the type of context that would cause someone to get banned. It may seem obvious to you or I, but we've got a lot of new junior members so it's good to point it out.
Daggerfall is an interesting case. Yes, 99% of its surface area is basically empty, but since it has fast travel that's not such a big issue. At least it makes the world far more believable than all the games were you just need to walk for a few minutes (or even half an hour) to get from one big city to the next.
opticalmace
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I think these distances are not necessarily representative of the gameworlds.
I think a better idea would be to give the maps scales showing time taken to traverse them (either by a typical vehicle/running, or the fastest), and whether most of the environment can be interacted with or not.
Oblivion may be "small" but when your stuck with horses instead of 200mph cars the world feels a lot bigger.
I think a better idea would be to give the maps scales showing time taken to traverse them (either by a typical vehicle/running, or the fastest), and whether most of the environment can be interacted with or not.
Oblivion may be "small" but when your stuck with horses instead of 200mph cars the world feels a lot bigger.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Thanks for clarifying, really helps a lot!Amir0x said:
Off topic: I read your post while listening to Light from the Netherworld (Xenogears). That was epic~
Throwaway123456789
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I'm guessing Star Trek Online wins this one easily?
Phantast2k
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Off topic, but on Burnout Paradise: how come I can't buy any dlc on PC? How stupid is that?! I really wanted dem movie cars back when I played BP
Stupid ass EA.
Stupid ass EA.
Phantast2k said:Off topic, but on Burnout Paradise: how come I can't buy any dlc on PC? How stupid is that?! I really wanted dem movie cars back when I played BP
Stupid ass EA.
er... you can. Movie car pack and toy car pack were released on pc too. We didn't get the island, though.
Yoshichan said:This is why I don't post as much as I used to
edit: Wow, I just realized this might get me a ban so I'll try contributing something to the thread.
Didn't the map of World of Warcraft actually expand for Cataclysm? And I think Outland should be in it too!
Other than a few islands, the landmass didn't really expand much. It was more a case of filling in a few gaps that were previously just impassable mountains.
And, of course, dumping an entire zone - possibly the largest in the game? - in the sea.
Vastag said:
Thinking about it, there's large ships in both GTA3 and SA, too. I can't see the GTA3 one on that map, but in San Andreas... if you look directly down from the "3" of "3 mi^2" on GTA3, there's a short white diagonal line, bottom-left to top-right. I'm pretty sure that's a ship of similar scale to those seen in Burnout Paradise.
*scratches the back of his head
Is WoW really that small when compared to Just Cause 2? Something is weird here. Obviously the means of traversal come into play a lot, but as it stands, WoW still beats the competition by means of diversity.
And it is hard to believe that Sand Andreas is so tiny compared to Burnout Paradise.
This whole chart makes no sense.
Is WoW really that small when compared to Just Cause 2? Something is weird here. Obviously the means of traversal come into play a lot, but as it stands, WoW still beats the competition by means of diversity.
And it is hard to believe that Sand Andreas is so tiny compared to Burnout Paradise.
This whole chart makes no sense.
MrTroubleMaker
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Yeah it did, I'm surprised it is that small.Corran Horn said:
Minecraft doesn't count, Minecraft maps are random and procedurally generated.
Fuel map isn't completely random but it uses procedural generation. I don't know how map generation works in daggerfall.
I'm still wondering how lotr and nightfall maps could be so big. can you post some screenshot of a typical enrinment?
Nightfall map seems a lot smaller.
Fuel map isn't completely random but it uses procedural generation. I don't know how map generation works in daggerfall.
I'm still wondering how lotr and nightfall maps could be so big. can you post some screenshot of a typical enrinment?
Nightfall map seems a lot smaller.
Just Cause 2 map is incredibly massive. I still don't know how they could keep those graphics, specially water, with such a massive world. The collectable items shine, sometimes I can see those shinings from far away. And the fact that you can see the big mountain from everywhere is amazing.
Maybe it doesn't feel as "alive" as, let's say, San Andreas. But is good in its own merits.
The only think I don't like is the driving, is really awful, it is not made to driving at fast speeds. But the chasing at the desert parts are incredibly fun.
And yes, externaly is bigger than WOW, but WOW has dungeons and caves and things like that.
Maybe it doesn't feel as "alive" as, let's say, San Andreas. But is good in its own merits.
The only think I don't like is the driving, is really awful, it is not made to driving at fast speeds. But the chasing at the desert parts are incredibly fun.
And yes, externaly is bigger than WOW, but WOW has dungeons and caves and things like that.
Foliorum Viridum
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I was amazed with JC2 on my PC. With everything absolutely maxed it looks like utter sex and still has a solid 60fps with no dips, despite the scale of the game.
They're magicians.
They're magicians.
That "larger game worlds" picture is absurd. According to it, all of GTA3 is a bit smaller than the pool in front of the Grand Court of Sebelkeh in Nightfall.lefantome said:
I went and took a quick screenshot.
Basically, what it's saying is that from where I'm standing in the picture to the statue in the distance is bigger than all of GTA3.
yellow submarine said:
Most of the villages are copy and paste, especially the on on the beaches,most the military bases look the same too, the areas like mountains and many islands are empty and uninteresting to explore because there is nothing in them.
Just Cause 2 is impressive,but it's still huge empty world to me, a smaller map and more detailed and more "alive" in Just Cause 3 will be better.
Joseph Merrick
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and the parts what are explorable aren't even that big. there is no way it is remotely close to something as big as the tdu map which I am extremely familiar with in that same picture for example. both these comparison pictures are terrible. would love for someone to make proper comparisons for game worlds though. and include more games, especially gothic3 and darkfallRelaxed Muscle said:
and a separate cubic miles comparison for space games :O~ hehe evochron vs elite fight fight fight
yep the nightfall scale is total bullcrapNishastra said:That "larger game worlds" picture is absurd. According to it, all of GTA3 is a bit smaller than the pool in front of the Grand Court of Sebelkeh in Nightfall.
I went and took a quick screenshot.
Basically, what it's saying is that from where I'm standing in the picture to the statue in the distance is bigger than all of GTA3.
Hmm. All this talk of Just Cause 2 is making me want to pick it up on STEAM. I generally love open world games but STRUGGLE mightily to finish them. Still haven't beat GTA4, New Vegas, and Red Dead Redemption.
On the topic of map sizes, as long as the maps are entertaining and full of unique encounters I could care less about the actual size of the map.
On the topic of map sizes, as long as the maps are entertaining and full of unique encounters I could care less about the actual size of the map.
Foliorum Viridum
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Hardcore.SmokyDave said:
Orayn said:
I remember Delta Force did this.
I think the maps in that game were infinite, it just repeated the same large tile over and over. Usually a mission was limited to one tile, but you could keep walking forever AFAIK.
Also, no-one has considered the size of the Mechwarrior games? Keep in mind how large a Mech is in relation to a human.
Joseph Merrick
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not 100% finishing them is fine as well isn't it? play for some 20-30 hours and call it done, or whenever you get tired of the mission types and mechanics. for some idiotic reason I decided to finish gta4 and really hated myself and the game for it. they always run out of gimmicks about halfway through but just keep going with mission after mission. definitely one thing not to do in jc2 is to try and complete all the mil bases, do not. sure way to kill the game enjoyment dead super quickly.Macattk15 said:
hehe. another good game for huge map sizes is project igi/igi 2. flight sim engine in that game. you can go off from the pretty small mission areas for seemingly forever into nowhere. always wondered how big the maps were in that. I don't think it has infinite maps, they're just extremely extremely big. can't remember but I think joint strike fighter (the flight game the engine is from) had a map size limit. flight sim engine was a great idea for a fps game anyway. hehe, still impressed with that.kodt said:
arnoldocastillo2003
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More importantly, i didn´t even know that TLOR was that big, damn!
EDIT: One thing though, can JRPG be compared here too? because i think that final fantasy series may be very big too, or not?
EDIT: One thing though, can JRPG be compared here too? because i think that final fantasy series may be very big too, or not?