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[ChorizoPicozo]

Seeing Killjoy-NL acting crazier (with even worse arguments) than Men_in_Boxes makes me reflect... I've been too harsh on Men_in_Boxes. I'm sorry, my dude

 

[Mattyp]

I still stand by everything I said, in that people are wayy too quick to jump the gun.

Like you shitting all over Indiana Jones for months before release then still burying your head after never playing it with the consensus here of it being a great game in the end I guess.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Wild that this is a forum full of middle-aged men and no one has figured out the real reason those guys were wearing hats on stream yet.

As an older dude that hit home

 

[MayauMiao]

More people watched Asmongold reaction to Marathon live stream. That is saying something about the state of Bungie.

 

[LordCBH]

Warhawk/Starhawk aren't aiming for the same crowd as Killzone or Resistance or even SOCOM Confrontation for that matter.

This actually proves my point. Killzone 2 didn't come out until after Resistance 2, and sales had already stumbled pretty hard from the first game.

The problem for most of these games was that they just weren't made that well. People purchasing a PS3 for Uncharted 2 or God of War 3 simply weren't the same audience buying FPS. PS3 eventually caught up with 360 worldwide, but was outsold significantly in the US. There's a reason why they called the 360 the dudebro console. It wasn't until the PS4 that many of these players returned to play CoD on PS4.

The bigger problem for quality titles like Killzone and Resistance is that they lacked playerbase and name recognition that they could have gotten had they released on PC in tandem with PS3, but Sony wasn't about that life at the time. They didn't sell terribly compared to black ops and modern warfare 1 (they actually both outsold the first MW on PS3).

Sony just doesn't know how to differentiate Killzone and Resistance from CoD today and the studios responsible for the games are on to bigger selling properties.

100%. Also don't forget that SOCOM 4 came out and IMMEDIATELY got kneecapped by PSN being taken offline for like a month too. I don't really think it would've succeeded had PSN not gone down because it just wasn't very good, but man. What an absolute blow that cemented its failure.
That said, SOCOM is the one series I wish they'd give another genuine go with. I know whatever they come up with wouldn't be like the PS2 ones, but I'd still like to see them try. But they won't. They'd 100% rather release something like concord or fairgames for whatever reason.

 

[GymWolf]

Very few times and it always some young lad, not grown ass dudes. But I guess fashion things are different across the sea.

In any case, it strikes me as unprofessional. Like what's next, being in front of an audience with your sunglasses on? Fashion choice is fine but people should know better and have some class.

Nah it's pretty common in us, hell here in sicily a shitload of people do the same with baseball caps or our characteristic, infamous coppola (flat cap).

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Like you shitting all over Indiana Jones for months before release then still burying your head after never playing it with the consensus here of it being a great game in the end I guess.

How did Indy perform?
117K sales on PS5 and it was the best performing platform.

How did the other games do, like Doom currently?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Nvm

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I don't care about Arc Raiders.

How about we keep it a permanent account-ban and if the game never hits 100k peak you lose and if it does I lose. 12 month window.

100k peak over all platforms? Sure, then we have a deal.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

100k peak over all platforms? Sure, then we have a deal.

100K on steam and you knew that.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

100K on steam and you knew that.

I know what you meant, but I've also been saying that consoles will do the heavy lifting for Marathon.

Bungie is a Playstation studio, focused on consoles.

100K peak over all platforms shouldn't be an issue if it's going to be Concord 2.0, right?

 

[Insane Metal]

So, what's the general reception like?

 

[diffusionx]

So yea, I think this game is cooked lmao.

 

[deriks]

I have a theory that Bungie was great when Microsoft was doing their quality control, because they never got a really good direction in first place

Destiny 1 was fun, but lacked so much stuff that the company needed a sequel to launch a proper final game

I know that a lot of people and maybe everyone from back in the day already left the company, but as I saw with my own eyes how a company philosophy stand over the years and the employees, I guess that Bungie was always just kids shooting at a wall to see if something glues

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I know what you meant, but I've also been saying that consoles will do the heavy lifting for Marathon.

Bungie is a Playstation studio, focused on consoles.

100K peak over all platforms shouldn't be an issue if it's going to be Concord 2.0, right?

How predictable.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

How predictable.

Same goes for you.

I clearly stated that before:

I think that's what will set both games apart mostly.

Consoles doing the lifting for Marathon, PC for ARC.

But if it's going to be such a flop, 100K over all platforms shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Same goes for you.

I clearly stated that before:


But if it's going to be such a flop, 100K over all platforms shouldn't be an issue.

First off, we never get official concurrent numbers for console.

Second, 100K across PC, PS5, and XBS is an absolute flop.

I'm never going to agree to a bet that can't be objectively verified, which you of course know. Second, the absolute shit low average you're suggesting is not in line with your commentary. 33k per platform is a win to you? That's unserious.

If the game had a peak 10% of its population playing at any given time, and thus it sold 1 million copies across platforms, that would not even come close to paying off its development costs.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

First off, we never get official concurrent numbers for console.

Second, 100K across PC, PS5, and XBS is an absolute flop.

Yes, so incl all platforms shouldn't be an issue then. You're claiming it's going to be an absolute flop.

I'm never going to agree to a bet that can't be objectively verified, which you of course know. Second, the absolute shit low average you're suggesting is not in line with your commentary. 33k per platform is a win to you? That's unserious.

And to me it wouldn't be logical to go by Steam, if I already clearly stated that I see this as a game that's heavily skewed towards consoles.

Not only that, if you've paid attention, at no point did I ever claim that Marathon will be a major hit or anything like that.

My offer was actually aimed at those that I've had arguments with over Marathon vs ARC.
That's why I was putting up a bet for Marathon vs ARC, as it would be an easier method to gage performance.

You weren't even someone I had in mind for the bet, btw. It just happened to turn out this way.
The ones I based the bet on are the ones dodging it like the plague.

If the game had a peak 10% of its population playing at any given time, and thus it sold 1 million copies across platforms, that would not even come close to paying off its development costs.

Sure, but that's not my problem. That's for Sony and Bungie.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

So, what's the general reception like?

just don't type marathon on YT or Twitter.

 

[themonk]

Don't totally disagree with you but this is a bit revisionist.

Killzone predates Resistance. They didn't have a lot of shooters at once. Killzone wasn't at the PS3 launch, Resistance was. SOCOM had already really faded by now.

The real problem wasn't the quantity of games, but not being on multiple platforms early absolutely hurt these games. There was a larger userbase for these games on Xbox, and probably doubly so on PC. That means that PS3 represented only a quarter at best of the addressable market for these style of games at the time.

This caught up to Halo when the series transitioned to 343. It was heavily limited by the lack of sales on the Xbox One and Halo 4 and Halo 5 never came to PC (4 would eventually port over years later but was also borked with a bad port).

Sony never really looks to farm their IP, they just assume the soil is barren. They don't look at why Dark Souls sold so much better than Demon's Souls or why Elden Ring sold so much better than Bloodborne. Yet they've ported neither of these games to PC. Too busy remastering Day's Gone.

The addressable market really matters, especially with shooters. Helldivers would not be the hit it is had it not released on PC. It's a popular but not earth-shatteringly so game on PS5. It not being playable on PS4 was also a big miss btw. Again, total addressable market. CoD still supports previous gen.

Look at Gran Turismo, it's popular again, and it runs on PS5 and PS4 getting the total addressable market the PlayStation has to offer. Still not on PC though...

You can play Fortnite on basically everything, which means anyone can play with pretty much anything they have (minus this apple shenanigans stuff). Similarly, you can play Minecraft on an iPad or iPhone...

Sony has ported most of their popular PS4 and PS5 games to PC, but not the games that would perform the best on PC based on PC gamer tendencies..

Socom didn't fade confrontation was a buggy mess but Game lobbies where always full… Confrontation stayed alive after the release of Socom 4…. (Socom 4 had respawns and played more like a 3rd person COD)

I would honestly say Socom Confrontation was their most successful multiplayer game during the PS3 era.

 

[Alebrije]

We could be witnessing the shortest marathon in history.

 

[clarky]

Maybe they should have just called it Snickers.

 

[blacktout]

This is also a forum about gaming, if you don't figure out yet.

OK? Multiple people were speculating about the hats in this thread and I just thought it was funny that the obvious explanation (male pattern baldness) hadn't been brought up yet

 

[m14]

Yes, so incl all platforms shouldn't be an issue then. You're claiming it's going to be an absolute flop.


And to me it wouldn't be logical to go by Steam, if I already clearly stated that I see this as a game that's heavily skewed towards consoles.

Not only that, if you've paid attention, at no point did I ever claim that Marathon will be a major hit or anything like that.

My offer was actually aimed at those that I've had arguments with over Marathon vs ARC.
That's why I was putting up a bet for Marathon vs ARC, as it would be an easier method to gage performance.

You weren't even someone I had in mind for the bet, btw. It just happened to turn out this way.
The ones I based the bet on are the ones dodging it like the plague.

Sure, but that's not my problem. That's for Sony and Bungie.

Let's have no more careless talk of permaban bets, Killjoy. Your amusing grouchiness is a valued feature of this forum and brings consistency to all our lives.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Amazing how Bungie is supposed to be GAAS master giving other studios advice what to do, yet their studio has been nosediving and even caught up in stealing people's art. They live on, yet lots of other games and studios got shut down.

 

[KyoZz]

Yes, so incl all platforms shouldn't be an issue then. You're claiming it's going to be an absolute flop.


And to me it wouldn't be logical to go by Steam, if I already clearly stated that I see this as a game that's heavily skewed towards consoles.

Not only that, if you've paid attention, at no point did I ever claim that Marathon will be a major hit or anything like that.

My offer was actually aimed at those that I've had arguments with over Marathon vs ARC.
That's why I was putting up a bet for Marathon vs ARC, as it would be an easier method to gage performance.

You weren't even someone I had in mind for the bet, btw. It just happened to turn out this way.
The ones I based the bet on are the ones dodging it like the plague.

Sure, but that's not my problem. That's for Sony and Bungie.

You know exactly what you are doing, hence why nobody's taking you seriously. Destiny 2 had 316K CCU on Steam alone and you want to claim that 100K on ALL PLATFORMS would be a success?

100K on Steam alone would be a miserable fail for a studio as big as Bungie even if it's "aimed at consoles". And you know it.

 

[Mattyp]

How did Indy perform?
117K sales on PS5 and it was the best performing platform.

How did the other games do, like Doom currently?

5 million players isn't enough for you? Or is because Xbox uses a totally different metric, you need to move past this point already it's the same logic as people asking Netflix how many bluray copies did you sell but!?!

There's a reason even Sony is moving to MAU.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

you want to claim that 100K on ALL PLATFORMS would be a success?

Please post the quote where I said this.
Or any quote of me saying Marathon will be a success.

That's what I always mean: some of you make up your own reality about what I supposedly said.

All I said was that I believe that Marathon will be in a healthier state than ARC after 12 months for both games.
Nothing more.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

5 million players isn't enough for you? Or is because Xbox uses a totally different metric, you need to move past this point already it's the same logic as people asking Netflix how many bluray copies did you sell but!?!

There's a reason even Sony is moving to MAU.

The question is whether it's enough for MS.

My opinions don't really matter, but they seems to piss off a lot of people for some reason.

 

[CityHunter1981]

So Sony has 3 options now:

1. Delay the game indefinitely and try to make a better game out of it. Unlikely.

2. Stop development immediately and don't release it. Getting more likely.

3. Keep dreaming that they get another money printing machine. Most likely.

 

[cormack12]

Wild that this is a forum full of middle-aged men and no one has figured out the real reason those guys were wearing hats on stream yet.

I think we need a meme thread at this point

 

[Mattyp]

The question is whether it's enough for MS.

My opinions don't really matter, but they seems to piss off a lot of people for some reason.

I think it is personally, not every game is for every person so they have to make such a wide variety.

Indy isn't everyone's taste I get that, but it's a great game and plenty of people love it. Gamepass numbers are about keeping people subscribed, if they're bringing in several billion a year in revenue from the service it pays for all these games and we get a hell of a deal for the rest of us while all those weird and quirky games that wouldn't survive normally get to do so.

I wish Sony would go back to developing more of a variety and less AAA games.

Would I rather Uncharted or 5 AA games like Avowed across a bunch of genres? I'll take the variety all week.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I think it is personally, not every game is for every person so they have to make such a wide variety.

Indy isn't everyone's taste I get that, but it's a great game and plenty of people love it. Gamepass numbers are about keeping people subscribed, if they're bringing in several billion a year in revenue from the service it pays for all these games and we get a hell of a deal for the rest of us while all those weird and quirky games that wouldn't survive normally get to do so.

I wish Sony would go back to developing more of a variety and less AAA games.

Would I rather Uncharted or 5 AA games like Avowed across a bunch of genres? I'll take the variety all week.

Fair enough. Sounds very reasonable.

Having said that, Sony's gaas strategy is part of offering more variety.

 

[KyoZz]

The question is whether it's enough for MS.

My opinions don't really matter, but they seems to piss off a lot of people for some reason.

Oh I see you are being disingenuous again? How about you address what I said?

316K for Destiny 2 and now you are talking about 100K for Marathon on all platforms LMAO, wtf is this??

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Oh I see you are being disingenuous again? How about you address what I said?

How am I disingenuous?

316K for Destiny 2 and now you are talking about 100K for Marathon on all platforms LMAO, wtf is this??

I already adressed your post.

Post my quotes where I said 100K CCU is a success for Marathon, or where I even said Marathon will be a succes.

You won't post the quotes, because they don't exist.

 

[KyoZz]

How am I disingenuous?

I already adressed your post.

Post my quotes where I said 100K CCU is a success for Marathon, or where I even said Marathon will be a succes.

You won't post the quotes, because they don't exist.

You keep gaslighting people on every single thread and we're supposed to believe it's because you think it's gonna be a failure or a moderate success now? Be serious for a sec please.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

You keep gaslighting people on every single thread and we're supposed to believe it's because you think it's gonna be a failure or a moderate success now? Be serious for a sec please.

Post the quotes.

Your entire argument is based on things that never happened.

 

[KyoZz]

Post the quotes.

Your entire argument is based on things that never happened.

*post the quote* Dude you don't want to respond, but anyone with a brain can make 1+1 so...

Do you think it's gonna be a failure? If not, do you think it's gonna be a success? And don't talk about Arc, we are talking about Marathon.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

*post the quote* Dude you don't want to respond, but anyone with a brain can make 1+1 so...

I am responding. I'm asking you for quotes, because I never said the things you and others claim I did.

All I ever said is that people are quick to jump the gun and that Marathon will be in a healthier state than ARC after a year.

Do you think it's gonna be a failure? If not, do you think it's gonna be a success? And don't talk about Arc, we are talking about Marathon.

This is the only thing I really said about Marathon's "success" (if you want to keep it strictly Marathon and not vs ARC) and I still stand by that:

Completely fair. I'm not entirely sold either, the game feels rather barren and lifeless rn, though it does seem to address some issues I have with Hunt (mainly related to progression amd stale gameplay).

But I'm sure the core gameplay loop will be fine at least and for the rest, it is up to Bungie to convince us all that it's a worthy game.

 

[cypherpunk]

At least people care enough to passionately argue about it. Apathy is the real killer. Stay engaged.

Personally I can't wait to hop back into Tau Ceti.

 

[KyoZz]

I am responding. I'm asking you for quotes, because I never said the things you and others claim I did.

All I ever said is that people are quick to jump the gun and that Marathon will be in a healthier state than ARC after a year.

This is the only thing I really said about Marathon's "success" (if you want to keep it strictly Marathon and not vs ARC) and I still stand by that:

Then answer: Do you think it's gonna be a failure? If not, do you think it's gonna be a success? (and again, don't bring up Arc Raider)

It's a simple question that we all know why you don't want to answer.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Then answer: Do you think it's gonna be a failure? If not, do you think it's gonna be a success? (and again, don't bring up Arc Raider)

It's a simple question that we all know why you don't want to answer.

This is my simple answer:

Probably a moderate success.

It won't be another Fortnite, but also not another Concord.

Still too early to really tell though.

(See how easy it is to find quotes of me?)

 

[KyoZz]

This is my simple answer:

So... still a success then?

All of that, just to end up at the same conclusion. Talk about gaslighting...

So now that we are progressing, how can 100K on all platform be a success when Destiny 2 made 316K on Steam only?

(See how easy it is to find quotes of me?)

Sorry but I don't have time for looking into your post history, it's better when you prove by yourself that you are wrong.

 

[SnapShot]

"They stole my Squares and Triangles" oh how silly does this read

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Very few times and it always some young lad, not grown ass dudes. But I guess fashion things are different across the sea.

In any case, it strikes me as unprofessional. Like what's next, being in front of an audience with your sunglasses on? Fashion choice is fine but people should know better and have some class.

Tinto you thought the caps/hats were bad ?
Man, remember the Armored Core 6 presentation a couple of years ago where that Fight Cowboy shill/streamer appeared wearing a tank top and fookin' shorts ? now THAT'S unprofessional...

Besides, the Marathon stream was... literally 2 dudes in a badly lit room with 0 production values in contrast to the Armored core 6 presentation where Bamco actually spent a few dollars for it.

Now, I use tank tops (only during the Summer where the temps hit 38° +) but, I'd never show up for a paid gig dressed like that in front of millions of people.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

So... still a success then?

All of that, just to end up at the same conclusion. Talk about gaslighting...

A moderate succes.

In other words, it has a decently sized community and proper support instead of it being left to die.

So now that we are progressing, how can 100K on all platform be a success when Destiny 2 made 316K on Steam only?

I never said 100K on all platforms is a success though.

It was Mibu no ookami that came up with the 100K number.
I never stated any numbers for any platform other than the unspecified 100K he mentioned.

Sorry but I don't have time for looking into your post history, it's better when you prove by yourself that you are wrong.

I know you don't, because you won't find those quotes.

You created an entirely different reality on your own.

 

[KyoZz]

A moderate succes.

Yes, a moderate success. So it's still a success.

In other words, it has a decently sized community and proper support instead of it being left to die.

Yeah I get that, still a success then.

I never said 100K on all platforms is a success though.

You said a success and agreed to 100K on all platform. So yes you did.

It was Mibu no ookami that came up with the 100K number.
I never stated any numbers for any platform other than the unspecified 100K he mentioned.

I know he did, and you totally agreed on it.

This you?

100k peak over all platforms? Sure, then we have a deal.

But please, go further into your thinking: how much do you think Marathon is gonna push?

I know you don't, because you won't find those quotes.

You found it for me dude.

You created an entirely different reality on your own.

Oh yeah just like I'm supposedly not responding when you are the one doing it in the exact same thread you accused me of doing so? Get a grip.

 

[Lunarorbit]

So I take it no one was invited to the alpha playthrough?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Yes, a moderate success. So it's still a success.


Yeah I get that, still a success then.


You said a success and agreed to 100K on all platform. So yes you did.

You're right. I stand corrected, I did say moderate success.

I still stand by that. No worries, I'm not gonna backtrack on that.

Got caught up in you acting like I said it would be major hit.

I know he did, and you totally agreed on it.

This you?

Yes, I agreed to take on the bet if he would claim that it won't pass 100K CCU across all platforms.

But please, go further into your thinking: how much do you think Marathon is gonna push?

No idea, it all depends on how the game evolves over the next months and how I'll feel after playing the beta.

Like I said, it's still too early to tell, but it won't be the next Fortnite, nor the next Concord.

You found it for me dude.

Yes, see above.

Oh yeah just like I'm supposedly not responding when you are the one doing it in the exact same thread you accused me of doing so? Get a grip.

Broken clocks are right twice a day.

Enjoy this minor W.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

So I take it no one was invited to the alpha playthrough?

I was in the last Alpha