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March Wrasslin' |OT| The NXT Era Has ArRIVED
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BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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I don't have a list, but CM Punk is definitely up there. The amount of dick riding he gets is just insane. He's not bad, but you'd think he's the second coming of Christ with how some people talk about him.
sf2fanatic
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Lol Trips not giving DBrine a match but did wrestle Eugene at Summerslam 2004?
SquashMatch
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In no particular order:
Ric Flair- as Bret Hart said flair was a "routine man". Same spots, same pace, no psychology no matter who he was working with be it a giant or a cruiserweight.
HHH- Another one Bret was right on about, never had a GREAT match with anybody. Retrospect and WWE bias gives him a higher pedestal than he ever deserved.
Mick Foley- Good not great, his risk taking elevated him to a place he would have never got to as a worker.
WWE CM Punk- cannot comment on his ROH work as I haven't seen it. His WWE work was somewhat sloppy and loose, especially his last year in the company.
Christian- A solid mechanic, the true definition of a B+ player as he was always solid and reliable but never a show stealer as a singles wrestler.
Always liked Jericho but for whatever reason for most of the time I didn't see that fire in him to take him really seriously. Like "oh shit here comes Y2J I better watch out!"
But his work with HBK was very good!
I also loved his one last standing match with HHH. I saw a ton of heart in that one. I guess no one remembers it.
But his work with HBK was very good!
I also loved his one last standing match with HHH. I saw a ton of heart in that one. I guess no one remembers it.
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i wouldnt really put taker as overrated much just because he still does better matches than most the roster.
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
not court...
don't be surprised if you get a bunch of hints about a change to the wwe title match tonight.
...After two months of spot for spot practice runs.
I am not gonna hate on people for practicing. Whatever it takes to put on a decent match.
I sent an email to Walmart about my time there today and someone just called me about it. Didn't offer a refund or a gift card or anything just a "We've kind of had complaints before, hope we don't lose your business.....did we lose your business?" JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSS you lost my business FOREVER. FOREVER. FOREVER. FOREVER.
BronsonLee
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I MUST STOP YOU *swings chair*
Well deserved. Go to a place worth your time. Go local!
... PS WELP
Shelton! Damn. But yeah definitely fits into the great athletic ability but no real fire. HE never made me care.
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Shelton was awesome
Team angle!
The gold standard!
Wish they gave him a MITB and see what he could do.
Team angle!
The gold standard!
Wish they gave him a MITB and see what he could do.
BronsonLee
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He basically stuck around from 2005-2010 for that damn match
All Shelton, All The Time
X GON GIVE IT TO YA
British Monsoon
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Don't know if I can compile a top 5, but one guy that always comes to mind is Chono - obviously a huge star, but his match quality is all over the place, especially when you compare him to his peers.
I can see why this argument would be made, as Misawa was pushed and pushed himself to the moon, but I don't think it's possible to call a guy who featured in so many amazing matches 'overrated'.
Can't agree with this, Harley was amazing on the mic and in the ring. Watch more Harley in Japan, damnit.
He's no El Generico, that's for sure.
Andre pretty much invented the majority of the spots people associate with giants and big men in wrestling, so I really can't consider him overrated, even if his work in his later years left a lot to be desired. 70's Andre is awesome, though.
I can see why this argument would be made, as Misawa was pushed and pushed himself to the moon, but I don't think it's possible to call a guy who featured in so many amazing matches 'overrated'.
Can't agree with this, Harley was amazing on the mic and in the ring. Watch more Harley in Japan, damnit.
Vince McMahon said:
He's no El Generico, that's for sure.
Andre pretty much invented the majority of the spots people associate with giants and big men in wrestling, so I really can't consider him overrated, even if his work in his later years left a lot to be desired. 70's Andre is awesome, though.
This, dude has a ton of time on his hand and he's being productive.
Professor Beef
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Colt Cabana's comedy is overrated.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
Strobogo
More like Snitchbogo
More like Snitchbogo
BronsonLee
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Savage did this shit for all of his matches, are we discrediting him too?
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Do people really rate sting highly ??
Seems likes he has been mailing it in since 98
Seems likes he has been mailing it in since 98
No hate intended, but it's unfair to the other wrestlers saying Taker's matches are better because they're worse wrestlers than him.
He gets way more time, practice and hand picked opponents to work on the match than anyone else. That's a big part of why he manages to look so good at his age.
Kudos to him and I hope he does it for a long time to come.
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sky sports is still saying 1am for raw in uk ? have the channel listing just not updated ?
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CM Punk is the best wrestler in the world, even says so on his shirt.
Agreed. Though I like him as an interviewer and think he would be a great wrestling broadcaster.
Agreed. Though I like him as an interviewer and think he would be a great wrestling broadcaster.
Soooooo....no one else can practice? Is it an agent thing?
For all his faults, can not agree with this sentiment.
His matches in late 1999, early 2000 were almost all exceptional. Prior to his quad tears, he was the best worker in the company and arguably the continent. His Foley matches, the Iron Man match with The Rock, Last Man Standing with Jericho and his No Mercy match with Benoit that year - you could argue he wrestled five or six MOTY candidates in 2000.
The hilarious thing about Bret Hart's criticisms of Hunter and Flair is that most can be applied to him as well. He wrestled the same match - A LOT. He was not an innovator - he wrestled lots of great 1vs1 technical matches with Bulldog, Waltman, Stone Cold, HBK, etc but where are the gimmick matches? Where are the tag matches? Where are the huge storylines, brilliant promos or great angles?
If we were talking whole package and not just workrate, I'd put Bret on my list of most overrated any day.
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Everyone who loves him is wrong. He's overrated. Whether people know of him or not doesn't matter - people praise him like he's Jeezus himself.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Harley Race, but for a long time it was obvious he didn't give much of a shit and took care of his position at the expense of others. and...uh, that's not really fair. Of me.
BronsonLee
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Big show man, big show!
It's a, they have to travel and do house shows and 10 hours of TV programming a week, thing.
Listen, kudos to Taker, but that doesn't make any of the current stars worse wrestlers than him because his matches are really good due to extensive planning and practice.
Serpentine
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sami zayn is the best wrestler in the USA
Don't get me wrong - total arrogant prick who's been on the right side of average for the last decade plus, but I can't sleep on the guys attitude era workrate.
BronsonLee
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House shows are practice, Aiii.
LOL @ Bret Hart being anywhere near a list of overrated workers.
Perspicacity
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Bret Hart is the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be. It even says so on his shirt.
He is a great wrestler and a mediocre mic worker. Great upper midcarder that had a push way beyond his means. Helped by the fact WWF was spread thin on main event talent at that time.
Too bad they have all the numbers.
He has been. But before that is why anyone would rate him highly.
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Bret " it's not about you motherfucker" hart
Takes someone special to make taker mad
Takes someone special to make taker mad
Okay, spot for spot practice of 30 minute matches against the best hand picked opponents. Gotcha.
All I'm saying is it's unfair to use Taker's matches as a standard to compare and put down every other wrestler on the roster now. I don't see why that is such a horrible statement.
Business gonna business.
BronsonLee
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They practice big matches at house shows, and yes, pretty damn close to spot for spot. Ring rust is also a very real thing.
And again, lots of wrestlers practice their stuff, especially day of the show in the ring. Some do it way further in advance as well (Savage are good examples)
Tag teaming? Joke post? If you want to throw in gimmick matches, you can look at his cage match with Owen Hart at SummerSlam '94 if you want. Table matches weren't a big deal then, nor were hardcore matches at the time. Hell in a Cell didn't arrive in late '97. And, for a good reason, ladder matches weren't overdone or used for people not necessarily required for it (hello, Kevin Nash vs. Triple H in 2011).
People seem to knock Bret for his promo ability when in fact it really was just hidden by the fact WWE, in general, lacks interesting or entertaining faces for the most part. For a generic cookie cutter, he did his job and did it really well. A much bigger star than what HBK ever was in the 90's. Look at Shawn's work promo-wise as a babyface. What did he do? His best work was as a classic dickhead heel. Only guys off hand who did great work as a babyface as well as heel was The Rock, Steve Austin, Chris Jericho, and Kurt Angle. May add Eddie Guerrero but that wasn't a lengthy time for him, unfortunately. Small list.
Actually, Bret had one of the first ladder matches with Dynamite Kid in Stampede in the late 70s. He also had the first one in the WWF with HBK, a year before WMX. Great cage matches with Owen and Diesel, able to work good matches with talents of ranging from someone like Owen/HBK all the way up to 7 footers like Nash and Taker.
Bret's promo work in WCW is really underrated.
These overrated lists are weird because the majority of the guys listed aren't even really considered great wrestlers. Sgt. Slaughter is overrated? By who?
British Monsoon
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Alright then, what about most underrated wrestlers? Terry Taylor comes to mind. Also, Akira Taue is super overlooked, considering the role he had in 90's All Japan. In more recent years, Tomoaki Honma. Coming from an indie/deathmatch background and having alleged yakuza connections have kept him from achieving any major success, even though the fans connect with him well.
Oh, and Mr. Wrestling II. Just because I never see people talking about Mr. Wrestling II and he was freaking awesome.
Oh, and Mr. Wrestling II. Just because I never see people talking about Mr. Wrestling II and he was freaking awesome.
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