PJV3
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Just let the few who are doing it, get on with it.
It's wall to wall ass licking out there in media land, why does it matter.
Must conform, there must he no dissent.
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Margaret Thatcher has died
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Just let the few who are doing it, get on with it.
It's wall to wall ass licking out there in media land, why does it matter.
Must conform, there must he no dissent.
No proof she knew about it either. Good thing our justice system has the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty isn't it?
CHEEZMO
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If only it applied to our press.
He is speaking from a soldier perspective. Even though I don't know any falklands vets, I do know some from Afganistan.
I can tell you this. They wont be writing anything like that piece on Tony Blair's and Gordon Brown's dealth.
Well, there were papers released as part of last years Hillsborough uncovering that confirmed Thatcher wanted blame of South Yorkshire Police (ya know, "Maggie's Bootboys") deflected away from the force.
Forgive me for thinking she wasn't exactly ignorant of what was going on.
He's a war criminal, I hope so.
PJV3
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Unless theres a signed letter in triplicate stating all scousers are cunts and I love truncheon. M Thatcher.
You wont be getting any movement.
No proof. You can think what you want.
There's that many people involved with Hillsborough with a invested interest one way or another better to deal in proof on the subject. Its been he said, she said for far too long. The facts are coming out and what you say ain't one of them so far.
I think an official paper that was hidden under lock and key for the last couple of decades that records her exact opinion on how she wanted the Police to deal with and to be viewed publicly is pretty conclusive of proof, personally.
As he said though, innocent until proven guilty
All the information she would have received would have been Police - Home Office - Her. Right now we know the police are in the docks
Anything else now is speculative. If evidence is found implicating her, then I would be sad that the families will never have the chance to for an explanation.
Until then, im not interested, especially after watching a bunch of salivating anti-tories take joy in accusing an innocent man of child abuse.
Angry Fork
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I read this a while ago, did it get any attention in the mainstream media in the UK?
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/03/20133209727608817.html
He would just get a pardon anyway.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/hillsborough-disaster-margaret-thatcher-wanted-1324983
I mean, if we're going to play the "lets Google a random newspaper article to support our argument" game.
And that's proof of what exactly? It basically says the same as the article I posted....
Yes it is, which is exactly why it should be investigated, so we can find every single person responsible, so they can stand in court of law.
The families deserve justice, not some mob who are also pushing their own bullshit political agenda
There was a lot of accusations flying around at the time from all quarters which has only just started to calm down.
Putting your police force at risk at a time of heightened tension would be one thing most politicians would look to avoid if they could I imagine, especially when facts are scarce.
zero shift
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This still doesn't make any sense. Outside of computer engineers (who get paid A LOT for their positions) nobody else reallly contributes overwhelmingly to these technologies. The richest of the rich merely just adopted these technologies while the bottom is involved in selling them. Its like arguing in the early 1900s that workers didn't lead to the rise in productivity but the invention of mass manufacturing did. They aren't necessarily working harder, if anything they are working easier.
Everyone pitches in society so everyone should get paid a near equal slice of the pie.
PJV3
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The state has a duty and the police have a duty to protect all the people. I don't know and I don't really care if she Knew, the establishment closed ranks at best because of snobbery.
That is fucking dangerous for everybody, forget the politics it goes beyond that.
Delusibeta
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Sorry kids, but you don't get to use a Scottish paper in an argument about Liverpool. Doubly so if it's the Daily Rubbish.
How can the police protect the people when the people want to physically attack the police on the basis of rumor on non facts?
Apparently the quotes attributed to Morrissey are from an old interview, so his actual statement is as follows.
http://pitchfork.com/news/50256-mor...hatcher-yesterdays-was-from-an-old-interview/
http://pitchfork.com/news/50256-mor...hatcher-yesterdays-was-from-an-old-interview/
speculawyer
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A UK one on eco-warriors
speculawyer
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He deserves it for the iraq war. but he wont be as hated
Darren870
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As an American (living in the UK) I never really knew much about her. She is portrayed very highly in the states and none of the negative was really seen. Plus when she was in rule I was very young.
I would suppose its the same on how Reagan is portrayed around the world but how he screwed with our countries debt a lot...
Anyways..
I've been reading about her a bit more and I came to her views on the German Reunification and how she was very very against it, along with the French President.
That really blew my mind. Didn't know that and where would the EU be without the Germans today
I would suppose its the same on how Reagan is portrayed around the world but how he screwed with our countries debt a lot...
Anyways..
I've been reading about her a bit more and I came to her views on the German Reunification and how she was very very against it, along with the French President.
That really blew my mind. Didn't know that and where would the EU be without the Germans today
Well this can't be a good idea.
It's hard enough to get a minutes silence observed in football at the best of times.
It's hard enough to get a minutes silence observed in football at the best of times.
As an American (living in the UK) I never really knew much about her. She is portrayed very highly in the states and none of the negative was really seen. Plus when she was in rule I was very young.
I would suppose its the same on how Reagan is portrayed around the world but how he screwed with our countries debt a lot...
Anyways..
I've been reading about her a bit more and I came to her views on the German Reunification and how she was very very against it, along with the French President.
That really blew my mind. Didn't know that and where would the EU be without the Germans today
Probably not in as much trouble
The Euro was setup based on the Deutsche Mark. The whole thing was primarily to benefit Northern Europe. Southern Europe's economy though is way to different for a one currency fits all.
If the Southern European countries still had their own currencies, there was several policies they could have used to lessen the fall like devaluing their currency
michaelius
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Second greatest brit in 20th century after Churchill.
If only Europe had leaders like her now.
If only Europe had leaders like her now.
The reintroduction of the two minute hate.
Morrisey is a complete cock though. He's another overbearing prick who thinks he's far more important than he actually is.
Didn't you like though how he said that people would be tear-gassed out by police though. Then said "United Kingdom? Syria? China? What's the difference?"
The difference Morrisey is China & Syria would use bullets, not tear gas. Oh yeah, your family will never know what happened as you would be slung into an unmarked grave
The guy is a total and utter idiot
zero shift
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Why is "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" so relevant to Thatcher. Yes I know she is suppose to be "the witch" in the song, but how is it so connected to Thatcher?
A lot people were very nervous of a German reunification. It may seem silly now but after being heavily involved in one world war and starting the other people were very hesitant in a reunification.
I've been reading about her a bit more and I came to her views on the German Reunification and how she was very very against it, along with the French President.
That really blew my mind. Didn't know that and where would the EU be without the Germans today
A lot people were very nervous of a German reunification. It may seem silly now but after being heavily involved in one world war and starting the other people were very hesitant in a reunification.
That's all it is, no direct correlation that I'm aware of.
phisheep
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It is a rather extreme form of tribal politics. During Mrs T's time pretty well the only opposition she had was the outright tribal personal stuff largely, as I've posted earlier, because of the lack of any effective opposition. It might have been different had there been a credible alternative at the time, but there wasn't. But the changes she made had so great an impact on so many people (and really, what are politicians for if not to have a great impact on a lot of people?) and she was so good at it that there was in opposition nothing but personal demonisation.
I'm glad that the Guardian put out such a balanced leader article today. Far better and more balenced than I had expected.
That's particularly relevant to people, like Mrs T (and my father, and my teachers, and my grandparents and their dead siblings), who had close relatives in WWI and were there during WWII. In hindsight of course, the same goes for their German equivalents, but we didn't know that at the time - we didn't know how it would pan out. Germany was for half the 20th century a big problem (and of course part of the big problem was the WWI settlement). German reunification was, I think, Thatcher's biggest foreign policy mistake. But that's hindsight talking - nobody knew how it would work out, not Thatcher, not Kohl, not anyone. Again, with hindsight, Thatcher should have realised that if she were in Kohl's position she would have done the exact same thing and done it just as well. They were kindred spirits really, and everything might have gone better had they realised it but they were also both pretty stubborn. It's an open question how France would have seen a strong Anglo-German alliance at the time though. Big open question.
digoutyoursoul
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£8m for the funeral
Sigh
Sigh
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
It'll give Gideon something to blame the economy on.
Like the snow. Or the royal wedding. Or the snow. Or the Jubilee.
digoutyoursoul
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CHEEZMO;53313870 said:
Well the economy in the UK is in a poor state, a family with wealth and the tax payer is covering her funeral. Not exactly thrilled about that personally, paying for the benefit cheats is bad enough.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Yep, that's why we always got the Radio Times.
Deregulation opened up huge competition for TV listings mags - I spent a bit of time in that industry, it was really weird as every Tuesday (when the following weeks listings came out) was crunch day - some companies got around a third their turnover and half their profit out of listings mags, but everything happened on Tuesdays. Nobody gave a fuck about system reliability, processor capacity, number of people, how much free coffee so long as nothing went wrong anywhere with anything on Tuesdays.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Did you read the bit about the costs being covered by the government AND the family?
(Of course, they haven't been explicit about the breakdown, or at least not yet).
It was always going to be a high cost with the amount of security needed. Especially to keep out the mob who want blood from an already deceased women.
Past & present world leaders are attending. The route through London is going to be as secure as Fort Knox
Reading have said they will hold a minute silence for the anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster. I really don't think it would be smart to attach Thatchers name to the same silence. Going from their recent statement, it doesn't seem like they will:
http://www.readingfc.co.uk/news/article/silence-for-the-96-090413-763022.aspx
digoutyoursoul
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No I did not, I take back what I said then, my bad
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