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Marvel going street level w/ Netflix (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist)
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Wiktor
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I actually think the concept could have lasted a lot longer than it did. Judging by the novels and comic books. It just didn't have writers who could have pulled it off and they ran it to the ground because of that. THis was the show where they could have screwed around with bassicaly everything besides the main character. Every other element was easily replacable. But instead of using this to go completely wild they were afraid to change the status quo.
There were many instances in later years where the show displayed some truly great ideas, that could have been used to fuel whole seasons, but instead never were fully explored and were quickly tossed away. I'm not sure if it was because the writers were afraid or was it because they just plain sucked. My bet is on the latter.
WanderingWind
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Ha! I said this shit the day they announced this. Doakes is already Luke Cage, 'cept he had a badge.
The concept I was talking about was him working with a group of supposedly competent detectives. They could have changed things up, as the often repeated Lector angle, which would've been super awesome, but like you say, they wussed out and gave us the dumbest fucking police force this side of Police Cops.
Doakes and Dexter team up. It needs to be done.
Funky Papa
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MCH is good at playing silent, net men with inner issues, but Daredevil is much more than that. Can he also convey the kind of quiet passion that Matt Murdock requires?
NotTheGuyYouKill
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They just sucked. They were good at coming up with one-sentence concepts and pitches, but the worst execution I've seen on television. And the incompetence of the police, oh my God. I think by the end it was just parody.
Here's how I would have done Seasons 5-9, with using the original concepts of 5-7:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=78628649&postcount=2451
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=90960665&postcount=5877
I'm not a professional writer, this probably isn't the best ideas someone can come up with, but I think they're far superior to whatever the fuck we got on the screen. At least it works with the trajectory of Dexter's arc before Season 5's reset and devolution of Dexter into a moronic deadbeat dad.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Dude, silent man with inner issues is Daredevil. I say this as a guy who has read literally every issue of the each volume. He's my favorite superhero behind Cyke. I think the hardest pull for MCH would be when he has to be book smart. But inner issues is literally Matt's entire schtick. His greatest villain isn't Kingpin, it's relationships.
Plus, the daddy issues? Swap cutting up bad guys for just crippling them and shit, MCH isn't even treading too unfamiliar territory here.
Wiktor
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Yep. In S5 they only went cowardly. The 24 guy wasn't a good fit as a showrunner, but the show never felt incompetent, just deflated by lack of risks.
But when new crew took over in S6, it just all collapsed. It became both cowardly and incompetent. I think the only reason why S7 worked so well was because they just burned through things that were being set up since the first episode. They had general roadmap and spent years thinking about what to do. When they were forced to start from scratch we got S6 and S8.
I still hope couple years from now Dexter will get ressurected for one-time event season, with completely new team behind it. Just have Dexter go out of retirement and use axe for more than chopping trees one last time. Because Dear God, the show truly deserves better send off season than the mostrocity that Scott Buck and his group of hacks have delivered.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Exactly
All you really need is a good 3-4 years out of him, then recast.
Poofynamanama
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season 7 is actually my favorite season behind season 1
for me it goes 1>7>2>4>3>who cares
Ew, why would anyone want to do that?
What, recast? They will have to do that with all their characters anyway.
3-4 years may cover the Daredevil series, popping up in the other characters series, the Defenders team up and a possible Avengers 3.
Wiktor
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Well..do we really need another origin story? 40ty years old guy makes perfect sense if you show Daredevil already far along his career. Both as vigilante and as a lawyer. It's not like the guy will play this role for the next 20 years. At most the shows will get 5-6 seasons.
And most of all RDJ was 43 when Iron Man was first released.
There's a reason why people are naming 40 years old actors and why Hollywood is now casting older men in action roles. The younger generation simply doesn't have many men who can successfully pull off those roles.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I think it'd be more interesting to have Daredevil already in the midst of his vigilante career when the rest of the alien shit happens. Aliens are new, but superheroes aren't (in the MCU, Cap has been around and known of since the 40s). So having Daredevil be a middle-aged lawyer at the height of his career (both public and private) would be interesting. We don't need a rehash of his origin and learning how to be a vigilante.
Plus, it'd let us create a world where the Punisher already existed prior to Iron Man and Thor. I find it easy to imagine a New York where Daredevil and the Punisher were running around in the streets in the years prior to the Battle of New York, before the emergence of Iron Man, Thor, return of Captain America, etc. The world only went cosmic a year ago. Before then... it was just men and women, fighting.
Plus, it'd let us create a world where the Punisher already existed prior to Iron Man and Thor. I find it easy to imagine a New York where Daredevil and the Punisher were running around in the streets in the years prior to the Battle of New York, before the emergence of Iron Man, Thor, return of Captain America, etc. The world only went cosmic a year ago. Before then... it was just men and women, fighting.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Origin story via flashback might be the most expedient. I think, compared to the other three heroes, Daredevil's origin is fairly well-known. We don't need an in-depth rehash. But his history can be sprinkled throughout the season via flashback rather than straight up starting with Daredevil: Year One.
That sounds awful to me. It seems every single show has to use flashbacks now and its a cheap way to create mystery. For once I'd like something straightforward.
This. It's a problem with a number of US shows things have a natural narrative end but if they're successful they push them till it buckles.
Dexter got pushed way beyond what the central idea could take. That's not to say the cast especially MCH were not watchable, but man you could see the storyline quality dipping and dipping.
http://www.vulture.com/2014/04/michael-c-hall-on-those-daredevil-rumors.html?mid=twitter_vulture
Michael C Hall expresses interest in playing Daredevil.
Michael C Hall expresses interest in playing Daredevil.
Miles Quaritch
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I think Hall would make for a good Matt Murdock/DD. He's a solid actor when he's not phoning it in.
Taylor Lautner for Daredevil then?
comedy bomb
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Someone photoshop him in the DD movie costume.
Because drawing out shows based on one character for ten years has proven such a success in the past?
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Miles Quaritch
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Until the studio makes him executive producer and extends the show by another five seasons...
Scientist Supreme!
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Damn does dexter get that bad?
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Oh, you have no idea.
Miles Quaritch
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Contains minor spoilers...
http://i.imgur.com/kXRN3Xi.jpg
This is how far the show fell and just for added effect,
he chisels off the face while there's a room full of cops less than 20 feet away and they don't hear a thing...It doesn't end there, they don't even bother going into the room until he arrives and even then let him go in alone as he's the lead forensics guy.
Gah, just thinking about the show is starting to piss me off.
Maybe for the younger plebians, but I'll always remember him mainly for Six Feet Under. Dexter was good at first but then it turned sour.Poor Michael C. Hall, thought of more for Dexter than SFU.
And this is why you're my favorite vazel.
Wiktor
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It's pretty obvious Hall was the one who forced Dexter's end. Showtime wanted to continue it for years. The dude just had enough.
Xplatformer
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I'd prefer they get someone between 30-35 to play Daredevil. And preferably someone that's not just fit, but VERY athletic. Like Cap 2 athletic (not talking strength).
I don't think the Netflix shows are going to be a yearly thing. With 5 shows to do it might be 2-3 years before DD gets his second 'season." You also have to consider that RDJ has been doing the Stark role since 2008. If he does another Avengers after AoU it would be in 2017-2018 at the soonest. The actors that they pick have the potential to be doing these characters for maybe a decade. It might be a possibility that he gets a movie instead of a second series, or an appearance in another MCU movie. How cool would it be if Matt Murdock showed up as Steve Rogers lawyer in Cap 3?
Miles Quaritch
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I like Terry, but I seen Michael Jai White as the best actor to play Luke Cage. Marvel should take the opportunity to steal him away from the DC universe...
Tim the Wiz
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Eh, there's plenty of good black actors out there. (As The Wire and Treme proved, you just have to cast them.) I'd be glad to see relative outsiders get the same kind of opportunity that Hemsworth and Evans have in the MCU with Black Panther, or these Netflix shows.
John Boyega (attack the block). The king of Wakanda, his father, dies. He becomes the new black panther and discovers what it really means, alongside the audience....
Miles Quaritch
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So how much longer until these start filming?
tringworldso
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Six Feet Under MCH would be amazing as Matt Murdock.
They start shooting in July. No one has been cast yet afaik.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/04...ts-in-store-for-the-marvel-cinematic-universe
Kevin Feige confirms they can use the Kingpin (and maybe Electra)
Kevin Feige confirms they can use the Kingpin (and maybe Electra)
Bobby Roberts
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That's backwards. He seems to think they can absolutely use Elektra, he's not AS sure about Kingpin, but he's pretty sure they at least share him with... someone?
Maybe Sony? Kingpin is pretty well known as a Spidey villain? It'd be weird if they're still sharing him with Fox.
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