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Marvel Phase V Revelead
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Bragr
Banned
To make any sort of sense of listing random movies like Jungle Cruise (? lol) you need to compare it to pre and post marvel. It makes no sense to sample one movie out of the blue and make any sort of point from it.
Movies are blotted out by the superhero craze. Movies like The Last Duel have to compete with the superhero craze, people don't give a shit unless it's a top-tier movie, people barely even heard about it. The standard now is hype trailers and wackiness. The Northman would be 3 times as successful if it was released 20 years earlier.
The point stands, Marvel movies circumvent the issue of making bad movies with marketing in a way that is not comparable to Underworld and has changed how producers pursue superhero movies, as it's more lucrative than anything else. Marvel is making bad movies and can still continue on. If Underworld were released today, it would probably be considerably bigger.
sol_bad
Member
You haven't proven anything.
The Last Duel released on October 15th last year. There were no Marvel movies released on the same week. Shang Chi was released on September 3rd and Eternals on November 5th. No competition.
Marvel have released 2-3 movies a year, if you seriously think that takes away success from other studios, I think you need to look into the industry more and box office analysis.
And you have zero proof that The Northman would do 3 times better 20 years ago. It's a very unique film with a very different structure to something like Braveheart or Gladiator.
ManaByte
Member
The Last Duel released when there were no superhero movies in theaters and is a Rashomon period drama with graphic rape. It was never going to be a huge blockbuster like Braveheart or Gladiator.
Bragr
Banned
The superhero craze stretches across Marvel, DC, and other studios and covers TV and Movies, and is far more than 2 movies a year. The last time Marvel released 2 movies was 6 years ago. When you add Star Wars and some of the other stuff that follows the same formula, you have a tight-packed year of trash.
Everything released today is affected by the superhero craze, including The Last Duel, no matter if they release in the same window or not. The audience is trained to react to the hype and pays less attention to all other products. It's similar to K-pop in Korea, dominating all other forms of music by the spectacle, even if there is no soul to it.
Bragr
Banned
I didn't say it was gonna be a blockbuster, I said movies like that have a harder time succeeding because the audiences want fake hype.
sol_bad
Member
You like to winge about comic movies but you ignored my question earlier, what movies have you supported over the last year or two?
As for me.
Plus many other movies at other cinemas where I don't buy online tickets.
Bragr
Banned
Do you want me to list the movies I have seen at the cinema? are you proud that you watch shitty movies at the cinema? what are you even on about.You like to winge about comic movies but you ignored my question earlier, what movies have you supported over the last year or two?
As for me.
Plus many other movies at other cinemas where I don't buy online tickets.
Bragr
Banned
I am sure you do.
Doom85
Member
Seriously, since 2017 I usually manage to see 30-35 movies in theaters (2020 was obviously WAY lower, and 2021 I think I managed around 20-25), but sol bad is all:
RAÏSanÏa
Member
Now that's receipts. It's good you show them. Your original point stands too. It's obvious when a person is commenting as a movie watcher and when they're pretending to be a movie watcher by the content of their criticisms, or rather shallowness of it.You like to winge about comic movies but you ignored my question earlier, what movies have you supported over the last year or two?
As for me.
Plus many other movies at other cinemas where I don't buy online tickets.
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
The Marvels: Full plot has leaked online:
Zawe Ashton’s character is named Dar-Benn. I didn’t see any “sexual tension” which, believe me, I was looking for it. Comments are made about how Carol is “obsessed” with Dar-Benn, but it’s made clear that it’s because Carol doesn’t trust her, and it’s also made VERY clear that Carol isn’t wrong for mistrusting her. She’s quite obviously the villain.
Dar Benn is the regular leader of the Kree, no side factions or anything like that. In flashbacks, she witnesses Carol attacking the Supreme Intelligence and that’s her villain origin story. The Kree refer to Carol as “The Annihilator” or something very similar, and she does not like the name.
Dar-Benn has one bangle, Kamala has the other. No idea how she has it. She’s using it to power a weapon, but she needs both bangles. There’s a funny line where Dar-Benn demands to know how Kamala got such an ancient and powerful artifact and Kamala responds “my grandma sent it to me in the mail.” It wasn't explained in the rough cut that I saw, but almost immediately, Monica, Carol, and Kamala begin switching places every time they use their powers. Monica is working on a space station, SWORD’s “The Peak” headquarters with Nick Fury; Kamala is at home, and Carol is trying to sneak into a Kree/Skrull peace summit because she doesn't trust Dar-Benn, who is the leader of the Kree.
So Carol starts fighting Kree soldiers, and then begins switching with Kamala and Monica, and the Kree soldiers start switching with her. So at one point, Carol is on The Peak with Fury, while Kamala is at the peace summit, and Monica is fighting Kree soldiers in the Khan living room while the Khan family tries to hit them with brooms/fight them/runs around screaming. Very fun sequence. At the end, everyone - Fury included - ends up in the Khan living room, except Kamala. That ending scene in the Ms Marvel show is a direct shot from The Marvels.
Carol leaves the house and tries to fly off, but they switch again, and suddenly Kamala is falling out of the sky, and Fury tells Monica she has to fly and save her; Monica resists, because she doesn't know how to control her flight yet, but Fury yells, "C'mon, Black girl magic!" and Monica flies up to save Kamala. However, she loses control on the way down, everyone is screaming, and at the last second, Monica and Carol switch and Carol is able to stop before they hit the ground. Fury screams as they are dropping and at the last second "AHHHHH - oh it's just Carol."
Anyway. Carol, Monica, and Kamala go off to investigate Dar-Benn, sticking together because they can't control the switching every time they use their powers. It's really not explained, except for some allusion to how their powers are all similar or variations of each other?
They discover that Dar-Benn is using a new weapon to create unstable portals that steal the resources (water, air, sun) of whole planets, and she sends the resources to the destroyed Hala to rebuild it. She's so far destroyed one planet at the beginning of the film for it's atmosphere, she destroys the second at the Kree/Skrull peace talks, then she goes after Aladna to steal their water.
Carol has already been to Aladna and is reluctant to go back because she is the princess, married to Prince Yan in an accidental diplomatic mistake. Everyone on Aladna sings as a way of communicating. Brie sings. She has a lovely voice but it's an awful sequence...
They realize the planet is Dar-Benn’s next target and go there to get help fighting her, to protect the planet and stop her rampage. The girls bond well before this in a montage on Carol’s ship on the way to Aladna. Monica helps Carol get used to working with Kamala - Carol yelled at Kamala in an early scene because Kamala froze up in a pivotal moment, Monica reminds Carol that Kamala isn’t a soldier. Monica and Carol also have conversations about how Carol left and never came back. All three kinda work through their issues. It’s later revealed that Carol did indeed come back and visit Maria, more than once.
Prince Yan doesn't have a crush on Carol, he and Carol are married. But Carol and Prince Yan seem to have a very platonic friendship and mutual respect. Nonetheless, Carol is very embarrassed about it and reluctant to visit Aladna, it's played like she didn't understand the customs and accidentally got diplomatically married to the Prince at some point in the past. The citizens of the planet worship her as their princess. Prince Yan himself is cool though, and isn't played as a goofy trope, though. But it is a whole awkward sequence that goes on for entirely too long. Monica is weirded out by the whole situation; Kamala is excited. Monica asks if Kamala is going to put this in her Captain Marvel fanfiction and Kamala says yes.
Anyway, Carol realizes that she's going after every planet Carol has ever called Home, in an act of revenge. Earth is the last part of the plan. Meanwhile, Fury takes the Khan family up to the space station to keep them protected so he can monitor the situation from there.
A side plot on the space station with Fury: some techs find weird eggs inside all the space station machinery. They're all really worried about some sort of alien attack. The eggs hatch and it's revealed they are newborn Flerken kittens. Chaos ensues on the space station.
Later, the space station is damaged by Dar-Benn when she attacks Earth in the climax. There are not enough escape pods to get everyone off the station before it crashes. Fury comes up with the idea of feeding everyone on the station to the Flerken kittens, then putting all the kittens on the escape pods, and getting to Earth safely that way. It's amusing/bizarre, and the whole film has this really weird tonal clash between a standard marvel movie and something goofier, like Guardians.
Monica and Carol go to Hala, and it is raining for the first time on Hala and the surviving Kree are celebrating, because Dar-Benn brought atmosphere and water back to them. Carol realizes that the Annihilator is accurate from their perspective - she destroyed this planet and the survivors are struggling and she’s a great villain in their eyes, and she has a moral reckoning. Stopping Dar-Benn means destroying Hala all over again. Monica gives her a little bit of a pep talk that basically amounts to “We can’t save everyone, we have to let Hala be destroyed again.” Carol re-affirms her desire to stop Dar-Benn.
In addition to Dar-Benn destroying planets, her creation of portals makes the universe unstable, increasing the likelihood of an incursion, which is another reason they have to stop her. An incursion happens in the climax - Carol fights Dar-Benn while Monica and Kamala try to fix the incursion. Monica ends up flying through this “tear” in the universe and fixes it on the other side, and ends up stuck in that other universe.
Dar Benn is the regular leader of the Kree, no side factions or anything like that. In flashbacks, she witnesses Carol attacking the Supreme Intelligence and that’s her villain origin story. The Kree refer to Carol as “The Annihilator” or something very similar, and she does not like the name.
Dar-Benn has one bangle, Kamala has the other. No idea how she has it. She’s using it to power a weapon, but she needs both bangles. There’s a funny line where Dar-Benn demands to know how Kamala got such an ancient and powerful artifact and Kamala responds “my grandma sent it to me in the mail.” It wasn't explained in the rough cut that I saw, but almost immediately, Monica, Carol, and Kamala begin switching places every time they use their powers. Monica is working on a space station, SWORD’s “The Peak” headquarters with Nick Fury; Kamala is at home, and Carol is trying to sneak into a Kree/Skrull peace summit because she doesn't trust Dar-Benn, who is the leader of the Kree.
So Carol starts fighting Kree soldiers, and then begins switching with Kamala and Monica, and the Kree soldiers start switching with her. So at one point, Carol is on The Peak with Fury, while Kamala is at the peace summit, and Monica is fighting Kree soldiers in the Khan living room while the Khan family tries to hit them with brooms/fight them/runs around screaming. Very fun sequence. At the end, everyone - Fury included - ends up in the Khan living room, except Kamala. That ending scene in the Ms Marvel show is a direct shot from The Marvels.
Carol leaves the house and tries to fly off, but they switch again, and suddenly Kamala is falling out of the sky, and Fury tells Monica she has to fly and save her; Monica resists, because she doesn't know how to control her flight yet, but Fury yells, "C'mon, Black girl magic!" and Monica flies up to save Kamala. However, she loses control on the way down, everyone is screaming, and at the last second, Monica and Carol switch and Carol is able to stop before they hit the ground. Fury screams as they are dropping and at the last second "AHHHHH - oh it's just Carol."
Anyway. Carol, Monica, and Kamala go off to investigate Dar-Benn, sticking together because they can't control the switching every time they use their powers. It's really not explained, except for some allusion to how their powers are all similar or variations of each other?
They discover that Dar-Benn is using a new weapon to create unstable portals that steal the resources (water, air, sun) of whole planets, and she sends the resources to the destroyed Hala to rebuild it. She's so far destroyed one planet at the beginning of the film for it's atmosphere, she destroys the second at the Kree/Skrull peace talks, then she goes after Aladna to steal their water.
Carol has already been to Aladna and is reluctant to go back because she is the princess, married to Prince Yan in an accidental diplomatic mistake. Everyone on Aladna sings as a way of communicating. Brie sings. She has a lovely voice but it's an awful sequence...
They realize the planet is Dar-Benn’s next target and go there to get help fighting her, to protect the planet and stop her rampage. The girls bond well before this in a montage on Carol’s ship on the way to Aladna. Monica helps Carol get used to working with Kamala - Carol yelled at Kamala in an early scene because Kamala froze up in a pivotal moment, Monica reminds Carol that Kamala isn’t a soldier. Monica and Carol also have conversations about how Carol left and never came back. All three kinda work through their issues. It’s later revealed that Carol did indeed come back and visit Maria, more than once.
Prince Yan doesn't have a crush on Carol, he and Carol are married. But Carol and Prince Yan seem to have a very platonic friendship and mutual respect. Nonetheless, Carol is very embarrassed about it and reluctant to visit Aladna, it's played like she didn't understand the customs and accidentally got diplomatically married to the Prince at some point in the past. The citizens of the planet worship her as their princess. Prince Yan himself is cool though, and isn't played as a goofy trope, though. But it is a whole awkward sequence that goes on for entirely too long. Monica is weirded out by the whole situation; Kamala is excited. Monica asks if Kamala is going to put this in her Captain Marvel fanfiction and Kamala says yes.
Anyway, Carol realizes that she's going after every planet Carol has ever called Home, in an act of revenge. Earth is the last part of the plan. Meanwhile, Fury takes the Khan family up to the space station to keep them protected so he can monitor the situation from there.
A side plot on the space station with Fury: some techs find weird eggs inside all the space station machinery. They're all really worried about some sort of alien attack. The eggs hatch and it's revealed they are newborn Flerken kittens. Chaos ensues on the space station.
Later, the space station is damaged by Dar-Benn when she attacks Earth in the climax. There are not enough escape pods to get everyone off the station before it crashes. Fury comes up with the idea of feeding everyone on the station to the Flerken kittens, then putting all the kittens on the escape pods, and getting to Earth safely that way. It's amusing/bizarre, and the whole film has this really weird tonal clash between a standard marvel movie and something goofier, like Guardians.
Monica and Carol go to Hala, and it is raining for the first time on Hala and the surviving Kree are celebrating, because Dar-Benn brought atmosphere and water back to them. Carol realizes that the Annihilator is accurate from their perspective - she destroyed this planet and the survivors are struggling and she’s a great villain in their eyes, and she has a moral reckoning. Stopping Dar-Benn means destroying Hala all over again. Monica gives her a little bit of a pep talk that basically amounts to “We can’t save everyone, we have to let Hala be destroyed again.” Carol re-affirms her desire to stop Dar-Benn.
In addition to Dar-Benn destroying planets, her creation of portals makes the universe unstable, increasing the likelihood of an incursion, which is another reason they have to stop her. An incursion happens in the climax - Carol fights Dar-Benn while Monica and Kamala try to fix the incursion. Monica ends up flying through this “tear” in the universe and fixes it on the other side, and ends up stuck in that other universe.
It has been verified by mods at Reddit, the individual provided them with set photos that would not be possible to access from elsewhere.
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bitbydeath
Member
That whole fake outrage was stupid, Marvel has nothing to do with how VFX companies handle their staff.
Ulysses 31
Member
But they do have some influence with their change requests weeks before the deadline or blacklisting companies if they complain too much about it.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
A lot of these VFX houses under-bid themselves into a hole.
bitbydeath
Member
VFX companies should account for it in their bid if it’s become standard process.
ManaByte
Member
It's starting to come off as another unionization push trying to use public social media pressure.
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
If true, then wow. They managed to make a movie worse than Ms Marvel!
Javthusiast
Banned
Why are you so desperately trying to defend big corpos in their fucking over regular artists?
Such a huge Marvel fanboy?
bitbydeath
Member
They’re not, it’s 100% the responsibility of the VFX company. All Marvel do is accept an offer, that is it. And this applies to any movie production hiring an outside VFX company.
Marvel is the customer and don’t have anything to do with a VFX’s companies staff, how they act, how they’re treated, how many of them work, how much they work, or even what they get paid.
That’s all entirely down to the VFX company they work for.
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Javthusiast
Banned
bitbydeath
Member
That’s how it works in any business.
The movie business is no different.
Javthusiast
Banned
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
He's right.
It's contract work. Marvel doesn't own the VFX company. They put up a bid and either Marvel bites or they don't. Marvel usually goes for the cheapest one... Same as just about every other Studio.
That's not to say they don't have some culpability... They SHOULD require that each VFX house accounts for last minute changes to scenes and whatnot ... And THEN accept whatever bid is most attractive.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Only Marvel I care about is Blade. Make it dark, violent, and not cheesy like Blade Trinity which was littered with jokes.
sol_bad
Member
Don't hype yourself up, it'll be PG13. If you were happy with the violence on Multiverse of Madness than you should be fine. Don't expect anything more than that though.
dr_octagon
Banned
Hideo Kojima will bring in Solid Snake as part of MGS V crossover
One is a convulted story about world domination and the other is about
robots going moo.
FunkMiller
Member
Looking forward to all the hot take articles comparing new Blade to old Blade as an example of the corporate pussification of IP.
ChorizoPicozo
Gold Member
I just want Blade to make jokes all the time. That would be fun.
ManaByte
Member
ChorizoPicozo
Gold Member
Jajajjajajaja. See.
ManaByte
Member
Hopefully we get the bomber jacket era with Sersi and Black Knight leading the team.
The Best Avengers Wear Bomber Jackets
Marvel's '90s "Avengers" comics may owe a lot to the X-Men, but that's exactly why Brett White loves them.
www.cbr.com
sol_bad
Member
I think the Avengers are still together and I think Wong is taking a leading role. This is based on the end credits scene for Shang Chi and the trailer for She-Hulk where we see him asking for her help.
bitbydeath
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ChorizoPicozo
Gold Member
pramod
Banned
And nobody really knew, or cared, about those Avengers teams.Hopefully we get the bomber jacket era with Sersi and Black Knight leading the team.
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ManaByte
Member
No one cared about the Avengers before the movies period. That’s why Marvel was able to use them.
Ionian
Member
How could you not know about Wi-Fi boosting girl? (Far right).
I can only guess Vision, Conan, Star-Lord? Maybe one is she-hulk?
Others, no idea. Spill the beens bro.
ManaByte
Member
yes Black Knight. At that time him and Sersi led the Avengers.
pramod
Banned
Real comic book fans cared.
