Metallix87
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That was the post-Avengers hype. Even with that hype, Cap 2 didn't hit a billion.
Marvel reportedly done with origin films, old Dr. Strange script scrapped and more
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That was the post-Avengers hype. Even with that hype, Cap 2 didn't hit a billion.
Considering how she was hardcore hating on GotG before it came out, I wouldn't count on it.
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Pai Pai Master
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How reliable of a source is Faraci?
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This.
whatsinaname
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Wong has no powers right? They should Wong the audience insert character and make it his origin story.
I am okay with them making Dr. Strange origin story 5 minute of the film we don't need an entire movie for it.
Origin story movie tend to suck since they are soo slow moving.
Spider-Man to return to Marvel and be folded into the MCU.
Origin story movie tend to suck since they are soo slow moving.
Spider-Man to return to Marvel and be folded into the MCU.
I hope.
Iron Man 3 was the first Marvel film the following year after Avengers. It got the biggest hype boost.
Cap 3 will be first Marvel film the following year after AoU (Ant-Man's release date will have it be swept up in Avengers Hype) and unlike Iron Man it will be the sequel to what many consider the best film in the MCU.
He and Drew McWeeney are both generally pretty on point. They've been wrong now and then but for the most part their track record is strong.
yeah I would rather see a high budget movie
Pai Pai Master
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Me too but I doubt people would show up.
For these 4 Netflix series they've chosen pretty perfect characters. If successful who knows, maybe they can be in movies after.
Amentallica
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As much as I like some origin stories (when they're done once and not regurgitated), I appreciate this. I would prefer characters just appearing in movies and taking the assumption that the audience knows who they are or will do research. Saves a lot of time and creates bigger surprises, I think.
BlackNMild2k1
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But it was $620M pre Avengers to $1.2B post Avengers for Ironman
Captain America went from $370M pre Avengers to $714M post Avengers
I see no reason why AoU wouldn't provide an even more expanded and enthusiastic audience that could push it into the $Billionaires club.
Avengers 3. He will be the first to fight Thanos....
I didn't care for her as Captain Marvel anyway. And she out here campaigning for some Marvel money, lol. Go back to be horrible in Longmire honey.
George Oscar Bluth II
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This is why Marvel should go for Yvonne Strahovski.
Pai Pai Master
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Hnnnng she's so hot
You misspelled Amber Heard
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She's also a toothpick.
Always funny watching this sort of stuff after the movie is out
Especially since Bradly gave the best performance of his career.
Same, more so knowing Katee shot herself in the foot for any MCU role & ordered a large serving of crow.
Escape Goat
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Like its copyrights are a mess?
I think explaining origins and doing a full-on origin story is very different. Every film will explain or reference origins. After Thor, I think Strange needs less set up. What you call magic is technology, etc.
It's so easy for Strange, and it doesn't take much mental gymnastics to figure out a sorcerer might exist in Marvel's expansive world. You can just have the intro of the film being someone explaining his history to someone else before they go meet him and intentionally keep it ambiguous, "..and then he went out east and.. came back different." Go into a monologue from Strange talking about his past and training, and fill in the less crucial gaps in conversations later. Boom, go straight into the story.
It's so easy for Strange, and it doesn't take much mental gymnastics to figure out a sorcerer might exist in Marvel's expansive world. You can just have the intro of the film being someone explaining his history to someone else before they go meet him and intentionally keep it ambiguous, "..and then he went out east and.. came back different." Go into a monologue from Strange talking about his past and training, and fill in the less crucial gaps in conversations later. Boom, go straight into the story.
I think it just doesn't fit into their whole MCU right now, would probably have to rewrite it
I'd love a Netflix or HBO Runaways
Nah, more that it was originally conceived as a stand-alone film and would need to be reworked.
I'm also not convinced it's actually a good property for a feature, rather than a TV/animated show.
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A couple of flashbacks wont flesh out the Ancient One, the meaning of the different spirits, realms ect.
it sounds like Marvel's gonna do what i was affraid of, dumb down Strange to a cool side character, ala Hawkeye. Hope not :/
Pai Pai Master
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The whole arrogant surgeon thing is so far removed from where Strange currently is as a character that it doesn't make any sense at all to spend much time on it. I don't want to see 20 minutes of de-powered Stephen Strange before he becomes Sorcerer Supreme and basically has to let go of everything that came before. Waste of time for the audience.
Start him out as an established thing, he's a busy Sorcerer Surpreme but hasn't really had to worry about any major world-ending scenarios as yet. There's plenty of ways to explain things as they go, especially with Age of Ultron doing the heavy lifting of actually introducing magic to the MCU. By saving time on that they can focus on the character and on introducing a major villain instead of some lame-o that will just stand there and take the hits.
Skip the origin, go straight to Dormammu. Everyone wins.
I think the idea is that she will cameo as Carol Danvers, an Air Force associate of Rhodey's. She wouldn't get her powers and become Captain Marvel until her solo movie at a later time.
I think the idea of Marvel skipping origins altogether is either not completely accurate or they're making a big mistake. If you can tell a good origin story you should do it when it makes sense. It makes sense for someone like Carol or T'Challa because that's what helps you root for them in a big way. And Carol's introduction can go a long way to further fleshing out the Cosmic aspect of things, particularly the Kree and the role they play in the movies.
Start him out as an established thing, he's a busy Sorcerer Surpreme but hasn't really had to worry about any major world-ending scenarios as yet. There's plenty of ways to explain things as they go, especially with Age of Ultron doing the heavy lifting of actually introducing magic to the MCU. By saving time on that they can focus on the character and on introducing a major villain instead of some lame-o that will just stand there and take the hits.
Skip the origin, go straight to Dormammu. Everyone wins.
I think the idea is that she will cameo as Carol Danvers, an Air Force associate of Rhodey's. She wouldn't get her powers and become Captain Marvel until her solo movie at a later time.
I think the idea of Marvel skipping origins altogether is either not completely accurate or they're making a big mistake. If you can tell a good origin story you should do it when it makes sense. It makes sense for someone like Carol or T'Challa because that's what helps you root for them in a big way. And Carol's introduction can go a long way to further fleshing out the Cosmic aspect of things, particularly the Kree and the role they play in the movies.
Extra Sauce
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Sounds like an exaggeration. I can see how they would want to skip the origin story for certain characters, but to be categorically against the very idea would be silly and close-minded.
Escape Goat
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Batman didn't show up for 45 minutes in Batman Begins. More like Waiting for Batman to Begin amirite.
I'm totally on board for a Captain Marvel film. She probably is being saved for the 4th phase though, right? With surely at least 2 of IM/Cap/Thor leaving after Avengers 3, they would probably want someone slightly more established to take a leading role in the that phase.
I really can't see Hemsworth, Evans and Downey Jr all sticking around beyond Avengers 3 (who knows, one might even leave before then). Maybe one will stay, like you say, and just join in for the Avengers films - but probably only one. I imagine at least one of the characters will be killed off in Avengers 3 or earlier.
That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Winter Soldier continue the whole Cap story. Similarly, with the new Thor comic, that might be a very interesting and cool route to take for continuing the Thor character.
I really can't see Hemsworth, Evans and Downey Jr all sticking around beyond Avengers 3 (who knows, one might even leave before then). Maybe one will stay, like you say, and just join in for the Avengers films - but probably only one. I imagine at least one of the characters will be killed off in Avengers 3 or earlier.
That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Winter Soldier continue the whole Cap story. Similarly, with the new Thor comic, that might be a very interesting and cool route to take for continuing the Thor character.
What's Devin Faraci's track record? I mean the top results for his name is an article entitled, "Why Devin Faraci is Unfit To Practice Journalism." and an article about him getting into a fist-fight and losing to another critic.
Metallix87
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Why would Avengers 2 boost anymore than the first movie?
Urgh tell me about it, this's why the Dark Knight is the better movie since it got the origin crap out of the way.
Extra Sauce
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Because Avengers 2 will be the best summer blockbuster since Jaws.
Or not.
The first half of Batman Begins is better than the second half... and the entirety of TDKR.
Metallix87
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That's irrelevant. Unless it's like a massive improvement over the first movie, and draws in a much bigger audience, it won't have any more effect on Cap 3.
I agree with both the first and second half of this post.
As someone who just started reading Captain Marvel, I think she's very fit for an origin story, and the point you make about helping root for them is big too. Carol's background and the politics behind women in military would be best up front instead of in flashbacks, you need to see the hardship.
Black Panther.. I feel he can come in already established, but his conflict revolving around being placed in a position where he has to deal with the rest of the world and strife within Wakanda.
Forsaken82
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This is why I don't think it quite makes sense. I understand the reasoning to say "Hey, We don't need to retell Spiderman, or the XMen or established characters in the Avengers like Hawkeye or Black Widow" but when it comes to characters only known to Comic fans (i.e. Strange, Captain Marvel, etc) it will be hard to market these characters that you have to be a fan of the comics to know
Would Iron Man have been as Successful as it was if they jumped straight into Iron Man 2? Would The Avengers have been as successful as it was if Thor never had his introduction? I mean look at the latter, and consider how The Avengers would have been if we never got a Thor "origin" story on how he came to Earth.
Escape Goat
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Better yet use flashbacks to highlight those hardships but have her overcome an analagous problem as Captain Marvel. You get a sense of her history but also screen time is devoted to what people really want to see (the title character).
Pai Pai Master
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I guess it depends on how old Feige wants his T'Challa to be.
I envisioned them getting a pretty young actor and starting his movie out with him being prince under T'Chaka. The primary conflict of the movie would be for T'Challa to prove his father was murdered and by the end of the film he would become Black Panther.
But if they want to do the opposite and have him established as BP for some time that can work too - either way they're going to need to spend a lot of time establishing what Wakanda is all about.
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it depends on what they have planned but why would it not make sense for Strange, who's more "known" and arguably more central to the Avengers then Carol.
Black Panther in has the LEAST important origin story on the planet, he's more suited for the no origin treatment
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