MadLaughter
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They should have Carol be one of the pilots that got warped to the othe realm briefly in Thor 2. Though, those were probably British Air Force...
Marvel reportedly done with origin films, old Dr. Strange script scrapped and more
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Lol, she's drunk and being honest. THE HORROR
Though I do find her saying this odd considering her having recently worked with 3 of the people in Guardians and being linked to Marvel since September of last year
Strange's origin may be too similar to Batman Begins/Iron Man for Marvel to feel confident in doing it.
lol, basically this.
lol, basically this.
Extra Sauce
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I fully expect Age of Ultron to draw in a bigger audience than its predecessor. How much bigger, that I don't know.
Metallix87
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It would have to be a huge number more to actually make a quantifiable difference for Cap 3. Remember, Avengers already did huge numbers, and it already blew the "first major superhero crossover film" hype, so I'm actually thinking this one does about the same as the first, and maybe a little less overall.
I agree. Dissing on Pratt is a crime.
Extra Sauce
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I'd say you're wrong based solely on Thor to Thor 2, Cap to Cap 2, Iron Man to IM2 to IM3...
Metallix87
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Most of those movies got an Avengers boost. Avengers was a phenomenon. What you're suggesting is that, not only will Avengers 2 match the phenomenon, but also surpass it, and that's a little tough for me to fully accept.
Pai Pai Master
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Metallix87
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We will prepare the crow-eating thread.
That's fine, I'll gladly eat crow on this. I'm expecting Avengers 2 to do about the same, if not a little worse, than Avengers did, and Cap 3 will do roughly what Cap 2 did, maybe a tiny bit better.
Extra Sauce
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What I'm suggesting is that every Marvel Studios sequel so far has done better than its predecessor, and that there is no reason to believe AoU will break that trend.
She didn't diss him. She only shat on the marketing of the film.
His origin is really close to Iron Man. Total asshole is humbled. In effort to selfishly help himself, he finds the desire to do good for others.
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The big lines are but their starting professions do add nuance. Strange started as an arrogant healer versus a boastful arms manufacturer. Fairly big contrast there. But either way, they should paint RDJ's temples gray and roll with it.
Darkmakaimura
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Dr. Strange's origin story is actually interesting and being he's one of the.... uh.... stranger Marvel characters, you'd think they'd want to go into it.
Metallix87
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Easy: He was busy with other magic-related crises.
Extra Sauce
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Plus Doctor Strange usually doesn't work out in the open, he's different than most heroes in that sense... so it makes sense that people would be unaware of his existence.
Darkmakaimura
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Don't know but Stephen Strange was name dropped in Cap 2 as being a threat, which lends a little credibility to it not being an origin story.
BTW, is Ant-Man an origin story or are they going straight into the character as well?
This would be kind of cool, but didn't those pilots make it out?
Pai Pai Master
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Bit of both. Ant-Man had already been active for decades in the MCU but Hank Pym is passing the mantle down to Scott Lang in the movie.
I could see that for Avengers 1 I guess since it's primarily taking place in 1 American city and I would assume Strange is not even in the U.S for his movie. Ultron though is causing a ruckus worldwide.
Would they have to dedicate any time, even fairly small, showing Strange or Strange explaining why he didn't get involved in world events In his movie (or say Black Panther)?
BlackNMild2k1
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Because once this movie launches, and assuming it does anywhere near as good as the prevvious or even better, it will have the fan base enthusiastic for the next Cap move, especially since Cap 2 had EXCELLENT word of mouth and came close to doubling it's WW gross on the 2nd outing.
It just needs to keep the same audience that came and saw Avenger: AoU primed and ready to go see Captain America 3 as well. if that happens, Cap 3 could easily cross the $B mark considering the good will carried over from Cap 2: TWS.
Everyone loved The Avengers, and it's likely all those same people will be even more hyped for the sequel, especially since it follows up GotG (even if unrelated) and Cap 2. AOU will likely do similar to better numbers, but even if it just matched the 1st dollar for dollar and nothing more, if that same audience turns up for Cap 3, then Cap 3 has already won.
That was a scenario I proposed n the MCU thread over in community. just say that there was a US carrier out in whatever bay (retcon through a flashback) that responded to the sudden craziness, and they lost a several fighter jets in the portals along with the British.
Carol just so happens to be the one to run across Mar'Vell
even if that was the case, they still win. But ever MCU movie so far as shown a pretty hefty increase in BO from one sequel to the next. AoU has a distant finish line to cross, but if IM3 can make it to $1.2 off of IM2 and Avengers HYPE, then I'm sure that Cap 3 can cross that $B mark off of Cap 2 & AoU HYPE.
Metallix87
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Going by that logic, do they have to point out that kind of stuff for every potential hero moving forward? I mean, heck, why didn't Cap and Shield help during Iron Man 3? Where was Hawkeye during Cap 2? Etc. etc.
He's in other dimensions, universes, etc. That should work.
I'm happy it's not an origin, just do a quick explanation at the beginning like The Incredible Hulk.
Jorok Goldblade
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The Incredible Hulk also skipped the origin. They covered it in expository dialogue, but otherwise set the movie years after the origin.
Pai Pai Master
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These movies happen over the course of days, not weeks/months.
They don't need to get into it but if they want to they can just say Strange was in the Astral Plane for a few days during the events of Avengers 2 or something.
Metallix87
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I think that was because an origin film already existed not long before that movie. I understand that they're more-or-less unrelated, but still.
aparisi2274
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If they are supposedly going to retire Captain America after 3, I wonder what happens with Sebastian Stan's character??
I could've sworn I read on the net that he signed on to appear in 9 marvel films... I was assuming that after Capt 3, if Chris Evans is done with the character, they would have made Bucky the new Capt America...
Also, if they retire Capt and Thor films, what happens with A3? Are they going the same route as IM? No more single IM movies, just have him show up in the next Avengers movie?
I could've sworn I read on the net that he signed on to appear in 9 marvel films... I was assuming that after Capt 3, if Chris Evans is done with the character, they would have made Bucky the new Capt America...
Also, if they retire Capt and Thor films, what happens with A3? Are they going the same route as IM? No more single IM movies, just have him show up in the next Avengers movie?
True but there are rumors that Hawkeye not being in Cap 2 is touched on in AoU.
I guess it's just weird for me to hand wave that kind of thing for a brand new character in the universe. I'll get over it lol.
Metallix87
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All signs point to Winter Soldier becoming Captain America at the end of Captain America 3.
Even if it's explained away in AoU, they really can't explain away Iron Man 3. The President of the United States is literally kidnapped by a mad man, and the ONLY hero response is from Iron Man and Iron Patriot. Where were SHIELD and Captain America during all of this?
Pai Pai Master
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Cap 3, Thor 3 and Guardians 2 will be the established sequels for Phase 3 leading into Avengers 3. After that I think it's safe to bet that the old Avengers may appear in cameo/supporting roles or something until they get recasted.
I don't think it's a sure thing that all the original actors will be gone before Avengers 4. If the momentum is there I can see them staying on longer, just not signing up for new 9-movie contracts or whatever.
They should do a Winter Soldier movie for sure though.
I'll join you in that crow eating. I'm not expecting Avengers 2 to out gross the first. I also think Cap 3 will do better than Cap 2, but nothing crazy.
BlackNMild2k1
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They could show Strange in a post credits scene.
Make it some trippy psychedelic otherworld shit on screen, and then a man steps through a lighted doorway. then cut to Dr. Strange snapping his glowing white eyes open as they zoom out and realize that he was in some sort of meditative trance that he just awoke from. Keep zooming out of his temple and away from his mountain way out in China somewhere, and keep zooming out till you are viewing the earth from outer space.
where you see The Hulk floating in outer space 
What he means is no more "this movie is the beginning of ____ becoming a superhero and getting powers, etc". New properties will start with them already as heroes.
So Doctor Strange will start with him as the Sorcerer Supreme, instead of being a movie about him becoming it.
I hope that there's better fight choreography than in the Thor films, at the very least.
Darkmakaimura
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Just realized Kevin Feige mentioned a week prior to that interview Dr. Strange was going to be an origin story so I don't know who to believe unless it was scrapped within a week.
I hope it's similar to Quill's in Guardians for CQC. Instead of guns, magic!
Darkmakaimura
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In the comics, Strange is trained in martial arts.
No need to get overly complicated with it though since he can use projectile magic.
I have a hard time believing they're going to outright skip Strange's origin. I mean it's not like he's just some assassin or something, or like the Hulk or Spider-Man where everyone pretty much knows the origin through cultural osmosis. His origin is relatively interesting and considering they need to pretty much explain this whole new angle to the Marvel universe, they really should give him an origin. Or maybe the movie will intercut pieces of his origin throughout the movie? Like he's already a sorcerer at the start, but we cut back once in a while to him just being a regular dude being taken in and studying sorcery along with Mordo or whatever?
One other possibility is that they treat this like a Doctor Who thing, where some random person is being chased by monsters or whatever, then Dr. Strange shows up and stops them, and is like "Hm. They seem interested in you. Perhaps you should stay close with me until I find out what they want with you. You'll be safe here in my crazy magic house." Then he finds out it's Mordo or servants of Dormamu, which connects back to his origin, and this companion character slowly is finding out about Dr. Strange's past throughout the movie.
One other possibility is that they treat this like a Doctor Who thing, where some random person is being chased by monsters or whatever, then Dr. Strange shows up and stops them, and is like "Hm. They seem interested in you. Perhaps you should stay close with me until I find out what they want with you. You'll be safe here in my crazy magic house." Then he finds out it's Mordo or servants of Dormamu, which connects back to his origin, and this companion character slowly is finding out about Dr. Strange's past throughout the movie.
The only reason why there's talks on Cap and Thor ending is because of contracts for the 2 Chris' being up. Trust me, if Marvel can keep the actors, both series will continue with them as the lead of their respective franchises. The franchises may still continue anyways without them though...
Pai Pai Master
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Both actors are still pretty young.
I can see them sticking around for 1 or 2 phases past Avengers 3. But they won't sign another 9-picture contract which is why people are assuming they'll be out right after Avengers 3. If Marvel can get them for 2-3 additional movies then they'll do it.
It doesn't need to boost it any more. It can boost it the exact same amount as it did the first time and still cross a billion. Don't be ridiculous, you know very well that these films have been gaining steam as they roll down hill. If you don't go look at the numbers.
All of this. Its not like we are predicting it by pulling things out of thin air. Theres some... what 5-6 years and several movies showing this trend. If anything, predicting the opposite is the strange stance here. If anything keeps the next Captain America from performing with a boost, it will be the fact that it doesn't and won't do as big numbers in China as other superhero films, but thats expected.
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They'll probably sign a contract similar to RDJs current one.
Darkmakaimura
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Make him do marital arts and fire projectiles. Can you imagine him dancing around shooting off energy bolts. By the Hairy Hosts of Hoggoth, that would either look super awesome or super cheesy.
Didn't they already say in the movie that he was on a mission when everything was going down?
I don't know about Hemsworth, and Evans has said more than a few times that he wants to quit -- or at least take a break from -- acting once his Marvel deal is up.
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