Marvel reportedly done with origin films, old Dr. Strange script scrapped and more
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I think that was blown a little out of proportion - he later went on to deny rumours that he was going to quit acting. He said the following:
No way of knowing for certain but I think what he means is that he won't be signing up for any huge long term obligations like a new franchise or anything. He's got his Marvel contract to finish up, he'll probably still do movies but nothing that's going to get him pulled away from directing more in the future. If I had to guess - I'd say he feels really comfortable with Marvel and will keep doing that because it's easy, recognizable, and fun, but he wants to start putting the bulk of his effort into directing.
Metallix87
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That momentum simply can't last forever. It just can't. Eventually, everyone interested in watching something will have gone to watch it, and I think we're hitting that threshold with these movies. I mean, why didn't Thor 2 and Cap 2 break a billion after Avengers and Iron Man did?
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I really hope they nail the visuals of his magic, rather than just generic flashes of light.
GuitarAtomik
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Ah man. Imagine Gun-Kata except it's like...Magic-Kata!
Because of their starting points possibly?
Thor 1: Worldwide: $449,326,618 >> Thor 2: Worldwide: $644,783,140
Cap 1: Worldwide: $370,569,774 >> Cap 2: Worldwide: $714,063,958
But Iron man 3 broke through a billion due to having a higher starting point from IM2:
Ironman 2 Worldwide: $623,933,331 Ironman 3: Worldwide: $1,215,439,994
And due to IM3 being the immediate post avengers Marvel movie. Nothing is guaranteed, like I said, Captain America cant and won't do the international numbers due to its nature that some of these other films can, but theres plenty data to suggest it will do very well; Much moreso than to suggest a slump, there's been zero indication that people are souring on superhero films from Marvel.
That's like the easiest plot hole to fill. It's never explicitly stated when Iron Man 3 is taking place, but because there are no SHIELD reference in the movie, it's pretty obvious it's during The Winter Soldier.
They also could say the President was a member of HYDRA, too.
Plenty of way to get out of that hole. It's like a '½ hour' meeting kind of decision.
Vigilant Walrus
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Is there going to be more Iron Man or Hulk films?
Metallix87
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I never said to expect a slump. I also think that it's a little bizarre that you assume Avengers 2 will do for Cap 3 what Avengers did for IM3. Do you expect every single Avengers film to just keep going up and up, and propelling each other Marvel film up and up?
Hang on, so now we have to pretend the movies are out of chronological order to make sense of it?
Also, why would that detail about the President matter, exactly?
Yeah maybe. Personally, I'd lean more toward Evans being a little more candid than Marvel's PR team would like, who they gently nudged him to not focus so on his dislike for acting when publicly promoting all of their multimillion dollar movies that he's acting in.
HammerOfThor
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Has Thor 3 even been announced yet?
As long as Thor 3 has Ray I'm good. Thor hasn't been a huge as Marvel's other movies so in a way it make sense. Unless by retire they mean the current run and in some way reboot.
Captain America, however, seems odd. It's much more successful than Thor so it seems likely they would make a CA 4 at least unless 3 REALLY bombs.
Also any word on IM 4?
As long as Thor 3 has Ray I'm good. Thor hasn't been a huge as Marvel's other movies so in a way it make sense. Unless by retire they mean the current run and in some way reboot.
Captain America, however, seems odd. It's much more successful than Thor so it seems likely they would make a CA 4 at least unless 3 REALLY bombs.
Also any word on IM 4?
Glad she's not setting foot in these movies.
Nah, I Don't believe so.
Also I know people dislike Sackoff and I'm actually not a big fan myself but fuck if they cast Yvonne. I honestly think she would be terrible. I would rather Sackoff be given the role since I think she could pull it off but if they cast someone else, I'm fine with that too.
Unless I'm mistaken, it sounds like Marvel was going hard for her so I do think she'll be cast. We should give it a chance before judging. I've learned my lesson after Heath and Anne Hathaway.
Fex, I love you but you have no way of knowing if she's been cast or not. They could be hiding her casting to surprise everyone in AOU.
Unless I'm mistaken, it sounds like Marvel was going hard for her so I do think she'll be cast. We should give it a chance before judging. I've learned my lesson after Heath and Anne Hathaway.
Listen, the way I see it is that I could complain all I want about logical issues and plot holes in my favorite movies, but they're the one making it and writing the scripts. They can manipulate events all they want, down to retconing.
Doesn't make it better or right, but it would explain it, and wouldn't take long. And it could be convincing enough.
Making the president Hydra would explain why most of the Avengers didn't answer a call for help, if there was any at all. Maybe Fury would have a better explanation, but we have yet to hear it. Hell, they've resurrected Coulson, they can explain how heroes didn't save the president with Iron Man.
I mean, it does make long-term business sense to cycle out older properties, however successful they are, to focus on growing newer franchises. Otherwise, their success as a studio hinges on a select few. And then when guys like Evans and Downey do retire for real, Marvel would be fucked because they hedged all their bets on those guys and have nothing as successful to fill the void.
One of the nice things about Guardians is that it's proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that any movie with the Marvel Studios label in front of it is a guaranteed money machine. So however successful Cap and Iron Man are now, Marvel actually can afford to not beat them into the ground and put the spotlight on new IP without running the bomba risk as much.
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Marvel can't use the word "mutant" in their movies because it's owned by FOX. Therefore a workaround must be devised. I think the general consensus is that the Twins might be called "Miracles" or Inhumans or something, but nothing has been 100% confirmed and I doubt it will until the film comes out.
Darkmakaimura
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Listen to the "oooooo'ing" when Elizabeth Olsen mentions 'mutants' at the Comic Con Panel. "Mutant is a bad word." lol.
You heard a lot of internet noise.
Maybe. It's stuff like this I saw http://screenrant.com/katee-sackhoff-marvel-avengers-2/ that made me think they are. Also Marvel went for Vin when people were pushing for him to be in Marvel movies so they do listen to fans. I mean, why would she say they're interested in her if they're not?
Anyways, I don't care if she's cast or not. I just want Ms. Marvel and even if I have to accept casting like Yvonne, I trust Marvel with casting choices.
GuitarAtomik
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Did you forget the part where
the Vice President was in on it and suppressing the intel about the President being kidnapped and where he was taken
I'm assuming because of the roles she's done people think she would be great. I'm meh about her but I'm totally willing to withold judgement if she is cast. She seems pretty well liked(I could be wrong) and already a couple of the castmembers like her such as Vinny D but his opinion might not matter at the moment since he's not involved outside of GOTG.
As for her age, they're already casting quite a few older actors so I don't think age is a problem for her. The main cast are either her age or older, renner and RDJ are much older.
I want to read the comments posted earlier she made about GOTG because they sound weird. Once I'm not at work I'll check them out.
Kind of impossible to coverup Air Force 1 going down though, especially over U.S soil and that there were survivors.
Still it was less than 12 hours the situation was resolved from that point.
Metallix87
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SHIELD should know regardless. There were terrorist attacks that were common knowledge. Air Force One was destroyed. It is impossible that, at the very least, they weren't partially aware of the issue.
badcrumble
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This is kind of a bad idea, IMO. Heroes like Dr. Strange and Captain Marvel *need* origin stories.
Marvel's absolutely fallen into a formula with some things, for sure, but that's got far more to do with the macguffin stuff (and Iron Man's villains all basically being the same dude) than with telling origin stories (each of which has been pretty well-differentiated so far - though I'd say that Hulk and Thor basically weren't origin films, just Iron Man, Captain America:TFA, and Guardians). And given that they've still got to unveil three more Infinity Stones, the macguffin stuff isn't coming to an end. Stupid.
Marvel's absolutely fallen into a formula with some things, for sure, but that's got far more to do with the macguffin stuff (and Iron Man's villains all basically being the same dude) than with telling origin stories (each of which has been pretty well-differentiated so far - though I'd say that Hulk and Thor basically weren't origin films, just Iron Man, Captain America:TFA, and Guardians). And given that they've still got to unveil three more Infinity Stones, the macguffin stuff isn't coming to an end. Stupid.
GuitarAtomik
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I'm talking about where they take him and the plan. Obviously the people Tony saved on the plane would know something went down so it's not like that info is suppressed. I'm not saying SHIELD wouldn't know. But if I remember right (I haven't seen it since it came out), Tony/Rhodey find out that they're taking him to the oil rig. He lets the Vice President know. The Vice President sits on that info because he's in on it. By the time it's common knowledge where the President is, everything goes down faster than anyone else could respond.
This reminds me of the Thor 2 complaint where
everyone forgets that the final battle happens within 15 minutes in a completely different country than all the other Avengers are
EDIT: Just rewatched it and had it a little jumbled.
- Tony/Rhodey find out AIM plans on doing something with the Vice President & President from Slattery who also tells them about the oil rig.
- Tony calls the Vice President to inform him of the situation. Vice President tells him he'll handle it. Vice President sits on info.
- Killian's main henchdude takes the President with the Iron Patriot armor. US Command (or whatever) notices something is wrong, but can only see Iron Patriot flying away from AF1 via satellite. The Pres is inside the armor at this point.
- Iron Man shows up but the Pres is already gone. During the air rescue, AF1 completely explodes. So assuming command still has eyes on, they would probably conclude the Pres is dead after confirming he's not one of the survivors that Tony saves since they otherwise never saw him exit the plane.
- Tony/Rhodey head to the oil rig. The Pres is there and they plan on live broadcasting his execution but the suits show up and they manage to save the Pres before that actually happens. This battle is probably all of 15 minutes and far enough out in the water that no one is going to notice until the explosions start happening.
Only plot hole here is you could argue Tony should have called the Vice Pres again that the Pres was on the oil rig, but he probably would have gone ahead anyway (they were very close to the rig before trying to save AF1 and he has a battalion of suits on the way) since he already knew Pepper was there.
POINT BEING: SHIELD would only know the Pres was on the oil rig if Tony informed them of it, which he does not. In fact, they probably assume he's dead until Tony and Rhodey save him.
Darkmakaimura
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I said this too, however, I just realized Feige explained it.
http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Stephen_Strange
BlackNMild2k1
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I'm a little late to this but regarding contracts ending, Hemsworth said he was happy to continue on as Thor as long as Marvel and the fans would have him.
Of course that could be simple pandering to avoid an actual thought out answer. But who knows. And as pointed out above Evans wanted to scale back on acting to focus on directing. I think his original comment had implied he would probably still do Marvel movies, but he wanted to take a break from acting to direct for a while.
Of course that could be simple pandering to avoid an actual thought out answer. But who knows. And as pointed out above Evans wanted to scale back on acting to focus on directing. I think his original comment had implied he would probably still do Marvel movies, but he wanted to take a break from acting to direct for a while.
Her agent leaked that Marvel asked for her avails a couple years ago and then reporters started asking her about it. Everybody's agent does this. That's how most casting rumors start and it's used to gauge interest. Turns out there's a lot of interest.
I expect to see Thor and Tony around in future Avengers titles/small cameos in others.
But they don't need half a movie to accomplish that. An origin story can be told in one conversation or flashback. A dedicated film to an origin story is not necessary.
Her age might be an issue for some, but I still think she could do just fine. (edit: She's only 34? Pfft, that's nothing.)
If not her though, I stand by Katheryn Winnick from Vikings
Schweinehund
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Dr. Strange's origin is boring if its not much different from the animated movie, this is a good move on marvel's part imo.
Unless the hero's origin is super compelling, I don't think its a huge loss for them to adopt this strategy.
Unless the hero's origin is super compelling, I don't think its a huge loss for them to adopt this strategy.
Darkmakaimura
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If the interview is to be believed, then I would say most likely they will have some kind of explanation or flashback.
Let's face it, right now we can't be for sure what that guy is saying is true. About a week ago, I think it was Feige who brought up this was going to be an origin story.
Right now, I'm just glad we are getting a Doctor Strange movie but if this is going to be in media res, then I hope they don't have Baron Mordo as the villain. Maybe it's asking too much, but I would love to see Shuma Gorath. Dormammu would be okay too, but I'm much more interested in something Lovecraftian.
Ravijn
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Blockbuster spectacle, film and Lovecraftian dont go well together though.
Darkmakaimura
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Eh, that's an old comic and we're talking MCU here. A better example would be the more recent animated Dr. Strange movie. His origin is really pretty decent but it also dawns on me that maybe they feel people would see it too much similar to Bruce Wayne's origin story in Batman Begins. It's possible that's another reason why they might want to avoid it.
Laieon
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As someone who doesn't read comic books, that kind of sucks for more obscure characters. For example, I'm not sure I would have liked Guardians of the Galaxy as much if they didn't introduce the characters and how they got together.
Origin stories are usually my favorite part of these kind of things...
Origin stories are usually my favorite part of these kind of things...
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