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Shhhhhh don't tell him he's gonna get madder.It's funny because the game was available to wishlist on psn the day it was announced.
Shhhhhh don't tell him he's gonna get madder.It's funny because the game was available to wishlist on psn the day it was announced.
Don't be fooled by the Bitter Critters acting oblivious to the fact this is a PlayStation game they just want to continue with their " This is the worst PlayStation Generation" masquerade because they can't claim that Battle Arena Toshinden or PlayStation All Stars were better fighting games & they can't pull out Marvel vs. Capcom 2 because they claim it's about PlayStation's output .I think he is right. Even with the mini documentary at the State of Play, I saw many smooth brain streamers not even realize this was a Sony game.
People think it was just another 3rd party game at the State of Play. It probably could have used its own show or should have been in a showcase with other first party games.
I think it'll become more clear over time, but that's why you have people expecting it to go to xbox and switch 2 at some point. I've seen a lot of people that do realize that think it's unfair, which is kind of the same playbook we saw with spider-man, marvel's avenger's spiderman skin, and wolverine. You didn't really get that response with say Blade and you don't get that response with Smash Bros even if it throws in iconic characters from iconic PlayStation games like Cloud Strife.
I remember way back when when Jump All Stars was exclusive to DS as well.
Unless Arc randomly drops the ball with this, we're looking at what is likely the biggest non-platformer fighting game of all time here. So I get why some people would be salty to be excluded. People were really salty about SF5.
There's a difference between first party game and first party studio.
This is a first party game.
A first party game is a game made by a first party studio.
Even if Sony were paying 100% of the dev costs, this would still not be a first party game.
Yes, like all the other Sony GaaS going forward.Interesting. Is this launching day-and-date with the PS5 version?
You're the one who doesn't understand what a first party game is.I don't think you understand what a 1st party game is.
Sony don't own the IP or the dev. They are the publisher, which means if marvel want to release it elsewhere they will.
Yes, when talking about gaming platforms:There's a difference between first party game and first party studio.
This is a first party game.
Yes, like all the other Sony GaaS going forward.
Absolutely is. You're confusing first party game with first party studio. There's no such thing as second party game.Literally neither of those as are the definition of a first party game.
Never have been. Never will be.
A game made by a independent dev and funded by the console maker is second party.
Absolutely is. You're confusing first party game with first party studio.
No, I'm not.
lol did a mod edit the thread title?
Because that does not feel like an Arthands thread title at all.
There's no such thing as second party game.
Stellar Blade showed us that IP ownership doesn't have much to do with specific game ownership. A lot of people thought that Shift Up would self-publish the PC port, but it was still released by Sony.Or maybe they had no choice. We don't know what the agreement is between hideo and PlayStation. Also at that time hideo bought back the Ip rights.
Yes, they did.lol did a mod edit the thread title?
Because that does not feel like an Arthands thread title at all.
Yoshida continued: "We call second-party when an independent company created the game and funded it or joint funded it, so the IP is still owned by that company. A recent example is Rise of the Ronin by Koei Tecmo. PlayStation published that game so we call it second-party."
I am sure this is exactly what Sony wants, to release games that don't even identify with their core brand.Well Sony is publishing it on PC. But I don't think most gamers will even associate this game with PlayStation, it's just a new anime fighter. I would've preferred a new Mahvel v Capcom but I guess they are too busy supporting SF6.
(This was before they became a first party studio).
And Phil Spencer.The literal ex President of Sony Worldwide Studios says otherwise. I think he knows better than whatever lackey is running the Insomniac Twitter.
Yoshida continued: "We call second-party when an independent company created the game and funded it or joint funded it, so the IP is still owned by that company. A recent example is Rise of the Ronin by Koei Tecmo. PlayStation published that game so we call it second-party."
Being GaaS refers to the business model of having an ongoing post-launch support (as long as makes financial sense and fits the company plans), often with updates tweaking or fixing the game and adding new features or content. Which often implies having microtransactions, DLCs, passes or a subscription.Have they said if this will have a campaign / robust single player arcade mode or is it just an online gaas title?
When Sony makes a distinction between 1st and 3rd party games, the 2nd party games are included inside the 1st party group because 2nd party games are a subset of the 1st party games (all 2nd party games are also 1st party games, but not all 1st party games are 2nd party).A differentiator from different types of, you know, first-party games, from a guy that was already outside of WWS management for 4.5 years when Rise of the Ronin was released.
Sony only reports first-party and third-party revenue, the former which would include the supposed ""second-party"" games as Sony gets all the revenue from each purchase of those (not counting retail cuts, ofc):
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While the list of, by their own words, 'cumulative sell-through units of selected first party software titles' literally starts with Bloodborne:
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Not to mention the fact that they repeatedly called Death Stranding 2 a 'first-party' game in their IR reports/slides:
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A little bit of research will do you wonders.No - its a single player game they come to PC a year or two after the Playstation launch.
Being GaaS refers to the business model of having an ongoing post-launch support (as long as makes financial sense and fits the company plans), often with updates tweaking or fixing the game and adding new features or content. Which often implies having microtransactions, DLCs, passes or a subscription.
Most GaaS focus on MP, but many of them have meaty SP content or are directly SP only.
All the main fighting games of this and the previous generation have been GaaS. So obviously this one too, since Sony wanted to expand their first party catalog to more genres, particularly MP and GaaS ones they didn't properly covered with first party.
Regarding this specific game, they didn't mention anything about game modes. Some other fighting games like Street Fighter 6, Mortal Kombat or Tekken have a meaty amount of SP content since launch. Other games like SFV started with a very limited barebones SP offerings but over time they kept adding cool stuff and ended having a huge amount. Other fighting games instead have a very limited amount of SP content.
I think that's a good thing, actually. The last anime fighter published by Sony was in September 2010 (Bleach: Heat the Soul 7), so it's good that they're trying to diversify their current output. If they only released games that identified with their core brand, we would be stuck with AAAA action-adventure titles and Astro Bot.I am sure this is exactly what Sony wants, to release games that don't even identify with their core brand.
What a disaster.
Day one for me on PS5 Pro. That was the game that stole the show for me and I'm not even a massive fighting game fan.
They're infringing on his right to make terrible bait!Yes, they did.
Correct. Honestly, this is the definition I've used since fucking Nintendo 1 and I'm not about to change it now, no matter what Insomniac goes by.A first party game is a game made by a first party studio.
Even if Sony were paying 100% of the dev costs, this would still not be a first party game.
Honestly, this is the definition I've used since fucking Nintendo 1 and I'm not about to change it now, no matter what Insomniac goes by.
In this racket, 1st party games are games that were primarily developed by first party studios. When I search AI it says this,
"In video games, a first-party game is a game developed by a studio that is owned and operated by a console manufacturer. For example, Sony's Santa Monica Studios and Nintendo EAD are first-party studios. First-party developers create games exclusively for the platform that their parent company owns."
So yeah, that's what it means. Sony and Insomniac do not own this industry nor can they change the vocabulary. 1st party means games developed by 1st party studios.
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When I search AI it says this
I am sure this is exactly what Sony wants, to release games that don't even identify with their core brand.
What a disaster.
You mean a AAA single player game.Sure just like spider-man...
Day one for me on PS5 Pro. That was the game that stole the show for me and I'm not even a massive fighting game fan.
Do you feel that Donkey Kong Country was a Nintendo game?
Yes. It looks really promising.Thx man. This game looks incredible im all in on it. I'd love a decent arcade mode as well as some fun online games and adding new marvel characters over time sounds perfect!
As a fighting fan of moons ago this looks like it could be amazing.
I do need to get back into sf vi and tekken 8 actually.
What this CM said doesn't contradict what Shuhei Yoshida (or Shift Up, Hermen, Sony or basically everybody in the industry) said: first party games are those published by the platform holder. Including those using an IP or a lead dev team studio they don't own.The literal ex President of Sony Worldwide Studios says otherwise. I think he knows better than whatever lackey is running the Insomniac Twitter.
This situation is closer to Donkey Kong ,Well Nintendo own the Donkey Kong IP, so that is first party.
How about, do you consider Perfect Dark, Banjo-Kazooie, Conker or Killer Instinct to be first party Nintendo games?
Yes. It looks really promising.
I'm a fighting games fan since the late '80s and hope they also include a good enough SP content. As reference, I cleared the Street Fighter 6 arcade mode 3 times with each character to unlock all the related illustrations and spent over 135 hours in its World Tour mode. So I'd love to see Marvel Tokon featuring a huge amount of SP content.
There are several things that make me think it will have a budget bigger than the typical one seen in fighting games due to several reasons:
I think Tokon won't have something as huge as World Tour, but I'd bet it will have proper arcade modes, and hopefully some MK-like, SFV-like story mode.
- Sony wants to enter new genres & subgenres normally not covered by 1st party, particularly MP ones. So will want to make sure this one is very successful
- Sony wants to expand their first party GaaS offerings having titles covering several GaaS types, in this case fighting, in both PS and PC. So will want to make sure this one is very successful
- Sony is used to spend AAA budgets, normally way higher than the one of the typical fighting game
- Sony will want to prove Marvel they're a great partner with other IPs and genres, and can produce other big hits other than with the open world action adventure of Spider-Man
- Sony will want to prove Marvel they're a more successful partner in fighting games than Capcom
- Sony seems to be all in with this game, because they even bought EVO apparently shortly after signing the game, and also are making an arcade stick for it
- We saw in leaked documents (part of the Insomniac hack) that several years ago Sony was carefully tracking the data of the fighting games as (the only) special group of interest within the PS GaaS titles, pretty likely to learn which ones worked better and worse in each metric and why.
This situation is closer to Donkey Kong ,
Rare didn't just pop up & decided to make a Donkey Kong game that's the same situation here this game is Sony's I.P the characters are Marvel.
Sony is the one who decided to make this game .
Do you think Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake is not a Square Enix game?Literally NONE of this is Sony's IP.
if Sony's leaders are as stupid and shortsighted as this, then they are doomed in this space.They will accomplish what they want, which is to make money
Do you think Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake is not a Square Enix game?
only two?Not to mention the fact that they repeatedly called Death Stranding 2 a 'first-party' game in their IR reports/slides:
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Literally NONE of this is Sony's IP.
I know, do you consider DQ3HD a Square Enix game?They've always had exclusive publishing rights to the series. They don't own the Dragons Quest IP, nor the monsters nor music in it
'Major first-party titles'only two?
So it's not a Square Enix game?They've always had exclusive publishing rights to the series. They don't own the Dragons Quest IP, nor the monsters nor music in it