Chris has an existing move set to pull from, and he's definitely the face of the Resident Evil series, being the first and most recurring protagonist. For as much shit as it gets, Resident Evil 5 is Capcom's best-selling game of all-time -- it makes sense to include its main character in a crossover fighter.
Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster Discussion Thread
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That Dude John
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Yeah, but you'd think they'd slide someone from 2 in the game since they are actually remaking it.
Turns out to be Claire for the swerve. Gonna main the Redfield siblings.
I don't think Capcom is too concerned with representing new games for the sake of it, given Chris' RE5 costume and Strider's classic look.
The Broken Ska Record
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I'd take it!
Jawmuncher
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I do think if we see a new RE character it'll be someone who has been made in the new REengibe. So RE7 or RE2make seem like the most likely inclusions for newcomers for RE.
The Broken Ska Record
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I'd rather see a new character, even if they take moves from a previous character. I doubt it'll be an exact carbon copy anyway.
Jawmuncher
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Quicksilver doesn't summon zombies tho
I bummed myself out earlier with the realization of how much I would love older Molly Hayes to be a character here, but even if mutants weren't taboo for the game, she would still pretty much have no chance at ever being on the roster.
Frankly i'd rather have regular Molly Hayes in the game, she'd be a fun character.
neither does Jill, that's old-school Jill.
UMVC3 Jill is a speedster that zips around.
Jawmuncher
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neither does Jill, that's old-school Jill.
UMVC3 Jill is a speedster that zips around.
Ain't no one gonna miss RE5 Jill. Chop her up for other characters
Doctrine Dark
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I mained Jill. She's fun, but way too limited. It's pretty ridiculous how every other RE character can freely use their weapon, while she's restricted to using hers in a super.
If RE5 Jill was to return, she needs more fun stuff. Majini summons, the ability to use her weapon, and things of that sort. I'm hoping BSAA or Stars Jill returns, though.
If RE5 Jill was to return, she needs more fun stuff. Majini summons, the ability to use her weapon, and things of that sort. I'm hoping BSAA or Stars Jill returns, though.
Mr. Smiley
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Truth be told, seeing brainwashed Jill in 3, I thought Capcom had some future plans for Jill. Like her P30 abilities were gonna be permanent in a future RE title or something. Of course now I'm willing to bet they did it because Niitsuma thought it would be hard for her to stand out in her 2 moveset, what with Chris/other gun users and Zombie summoning was already taken. Probably.
Would be neat if they could combine both her versions from 2 and 3.
Would be neat if they could combine both her versions from 2 and 3.
Are we making wishlist rosters yet?
Because that's always the best part of the pre-release time for any fighting game.
Capcom:
Ryu, X, Chun Li, Chris Redfield, Strider, Morrigan, Arthur, Spencer, Dante, Vanessa Schneider, Zero, Phoenix Wright, Frank West, Firebrand, Viewtiful Joe, Amaterasu, Tron Bonne, Ruby Heart, Sakura, Sigma, Nina, Dark Void Guy, Hugo, Voldo-lookin'-dude-from-Powerstone
Marvel:
Captain America, Captain Marvel, Iron Man, Hawkguy, Rocket Raccoon, Thor, Thanos, Doctor Strange, Hulk, Ant-Man, Loki, Winter Soldier, Scarlet Witch, Black Panther, Black Widow, Drax, Star Lord, Gamora, Nebula, Spider-Man, Gwenpool, Vulture, Ultron
I gotta dream.
Because that's always the best part of the pre-release time for any fighting game.
Capcom:
Ryu, X, Chun Li, Chris Redfield, Strider, Morrigan, Arthur, Spencer, Dante, Vanessa Schneider, Zero, Phoenix Wright, Frank West, Firebrand, Viewtiful Joe, Amaterasu, Tron Bonne, Ruby Heart, Sakura, Sigma, Nina, Dark Void Guy, Hugo, Voldo-lookin'-dude-from-Powerstone
Marvel:
Captain America, Captain Marvel, Iron Man, Hawkguy, Rocket Raccoon, Thor, Thanos, Doctor Strange, Hulk, Ant-Man, Loki, Winter Soldier, Scarlet Witch, Black Panther, Black Widow, Drax, Star Lord, Gamora, Nebula, Spider-Man, Gwenpool, Vulture, Ultron
I gotta dream.
Wat?
What do you think the 200 pages of this thread is breh?
Jawmuncher
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Take our dark void guy and put in Regina
The Broken Ska Record
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I thought it was because they'd have to work with more models on screen, e.g., zombie dogs, zombies, Tyrant.
Or just give Black Widow Jill's MvC3 moveset.
Black Widow would probably be more focused on her Widow's Bite, and she might have some other gadgets at her disposal.
Undead Fantasy
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Because Leon sucks.
Mr. Smiley
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I'm spitballin' based on what Niitsuma said about other characters in MvC3's development. If someone has a link/quote for the concrete reason of Jill's change, I'd like to see it.
oh shit normals doing chip damage
BassForever
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I had a dream about mvci last night too
Claire, Wesker, Jill, Billy, and Rebecca were all confirmed, internet exploded becuase no Leon
Slamtastic
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So that other thread introduced me to the Contest of Champions OC hero
And it also mentioned Marvel's intention to make new game characters that are canon to the overall universe and might jump media.
*thinking emoji*
And it also mentioned Marvel's intention to make new game characters that are canon to the overall universe and might jump media.
*thinking emoji*
I just really like this design
Mr. Smiley
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Yeah Guillotine's a good design. She appeared in CoC tie in comic and I thought she was decent.
I only bring this up cuz Night Thrasher also appears and I want him
I only bring this up cuz Night Thrasher also appears and I want him
Doctrine Dark
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Even though I'm an avid Marvel fan, I still need help regarding a well-known character: Vision.
Back when Niitsuma was talking about the characters who were cut, he said Vision's abilities were "too powerful", which apparently made him difficult to include. From a gameplay perspective, what is it about Vision's powers that would make him that hard to implement?
Back when Niitsuma was talking about the characters who were cut, he said Vision's abilities were "too powerful", which apparently made him difficult to include. From a gameplay perspective, what is it about Vision's powers that would make him that hard to implement?
His power is density, right? He can become completely incorporeal and travel through objects and people. Maybe he said that because Vision has no reason to block attacks?
Newniverse
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This was a joke. Too powerful? They have Shuma-Gorath in the game. The most (canon wise) powerful character on the roster.
Obviously he meant gameplay wise, that's why Doctrine Dark just specified, "From a gameplay perspective"
Newniverse
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Thats what I meant as well. My point being that they incorporated Shuma, they could do the same for Vision. Shuma would not need to block either...
Newniverse
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For those who dont know Shuma-Gorath, this character destroys dimensions just by coming into them... lol So again, what need of him to block? That was a lame reason why they didnt want vision in.
That doesn't mean anything, to Niitsuma Vison's powers were seemingly hard to implement because they too strong from a gameplay prospective. Shuma is powerful sure, but most of his stuff is just beams and whatnot. Additionally his moveset is a carry over from older vs games were a character's moveset may not have been as faithful to the source material.
Newniverse
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Thats exactly what im getting at here. They're free to change a little bit of the source material. WOuldnt be the first time... or the last. You could also make him have something close to a counter or that viewtiful joe move where he dodges an attack by going through them. The problem here is creativity. By the way, he was blocking clint attacks in civil war. lol
Obviously it was easier for Nittsuma and his team to conceptualize these character's moveset and some of those are just carry overs
DerekOfTheDykes
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It's a pretty bullshit reason, there's no real reason why Vision couldn't work from a gameplay perspective.
Sure, he has the ability to change density and tangibility, two abilities that in practice have a ton of application. But it isn't that complicated.
Possible ways to use that, off the top of my head: Give him his famous "phase punch" as a command grab type attack (makes sense that it would be unblockable, so it would need some start up to compensate). Give him the ability to dash around the screen intangible, as basically a teleport in function but you can physically see him travel around. Give him a counter type attack where he becomes intangible for a moment and then solidifies around an opponent's limb when they strike.
Or literally any kind of physical attack you can think of that utilizes his flight, which is the main way he utilizes his powers.
Vision isn't that complicated. He's a flying robot that is super hard but sometimes attacks pass through him. He has a forehead laser. He sometimes hardens inside or around people to hurt them.
Let's be real, the reason Vision didn't get into MvC3 is because he was obscure as shit to most people who don't read comics up until Age of Ultron came out, and even then people mistakenly believe that he's significantly more powerful than he is due to that movie (he tends to job pretty hard in the comics, depending on the writer, but he's rarely if ever treated as the powerhouse of the Avengers).
Sure, he has the ability to change density and tangibility, two abilities that in practice have a ton of application. But it isn't that complicated.
Possible ways to use that, off the top of my head: Give him his famous "phase punch" as a command grab type attack (makes sense that it would be unblockable, so it would need some start up to compensate). Give him the ability to dash around the screen intangible, as basically a teleport in function but you can physically see him travel around. Give him a counter type attack where he becomes intangible for a moment and then solidifies around an opponent's limb when they strike.
Or literally any kind of physical attack you can think of that utilizes his flight, which is the main way he utilizes his powers.
Vision isn't that complicated. He's a flying robot that is super hard but sometimes attacks pass through him. He has a forehead laser. He sometimes hardens inside or around people to hurt them.
Let's be real, the reason Vision didn't get into MvC3 is because he was obscure as shit to most people who don't read comics up until Age of Ultron came out, and even then people mistakenly believe that he's significantly more powerful than he is due to that movie (he tends to job pretty hard in the comics, depending on the writer, but he's rarely if ever treated as the powerhouse of the Avengers).
TRUE ORDER
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Wow... 200 pages already.
Congrats! Hahah
Jill should return with a mix of both movesets IMO and the BSAA or STARS outfit.
Congrats! Hahah
Jill should return with a mix of both movesets IMO and the BSAA or STARS outfit.
C'mon, you guys know Niitsuma's "reasoning" for omitting a character from a potential roster of thousands of viable unique characters shouldn't be taken literally. They're just trivial explanations for the fans to have some insight into characters they considered. Which I imagine is a small sample of hundreds of other characters they "considered".
The reaction is why companies tend to refrain from being transparent in regards to the concept stage of game design.
The reaction is why companies tend to refrain from being transparent in regards to the concept stage of game design.
We may need a 2nd thread at this rate.
Jawmuncher
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All I know is Niitsuma fucked up not even having Regina in the final call for UMVC3.
But no females made it into that, so I guess it doesn't matter.
TRUE ORDER
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Well, at least Psylocke was considered for Ultimate. I still want Strider vs her...
4 months to go, I think it's safe to say that a 2nd is almost a reality lol
This is quite likely. We got almost this far without ANY news. Now with periodic reveals, we'll be at thread 2 in no time.
"We wanted some dinosaurs and considered Regina, but then we decided Red Arremer was more interesting."*
* not real Niitsuma quote.
Doctrine Dark
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Well, the main reason why I asked about Vision was because I honestly wasn't sure if the character had any type of abilities that would be hard to include in a game or not. I do agree that it shouldn't be taken literally, but was curious.
If he wanted intangibility to be a primary part of Vision's moveset, I can see some challenge, though that would result in a pretty creative moveset. However, I imagine they probably just passed up on Vision the same way they passed up on hundreds of other characters.