Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster Discussion Thread
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AWizardDidIt
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The sound problems seem to be at least partly audio mixing related so there's a chance that'll get fixed prior to launch.
DR2K
Banned
How is being able to otg easier more user friendly? It just makes for longer combos videos.
If you think this game is going to have a comprehensive tutorial either. No MVC game has had one.
No, it makes for combos the same length that don't require the use of a timed assist to complete.
Characters can carry their own now without help.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
That was pretty fun to watch him coming up with new combo. I can't wait for him to find more combo with other characters in the future.
Do you realize that the roster might not be complete? I think people should be patience and see if the roster is actually complete or not.
Are you really that bitter with MVCI?
Thanks for the video.
Something about that video does indeed make the colors look like they pop more. It actually looks pretty damn good here. Could just be the camera though.
Capcom fighters are pretty well known for not looking as good as they end up all the way to release, so I do have some real faith the final game will look better than what we've been seeing.
DR2K
Banned
No it extends the life of a combo universally. You don't even have to give up an assist slot to do it. Combofiend specifically said they wanted matches to be less one sided/combo movie and this type of OTG leads to those very situations.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
about a month to two months depend on the companies, I guess?
Turbanator
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The unfortunate problem with that is the fact that fighting game characters take more resources to create than both shooter and MOBA characters, so just making them free outright can't work. There's also the fact that unlike big games like OW, a fighting game can never dream of selling even 10M units today.
The reason free MOBAs are so popular is because they can add tons of content in relatively short amount of times, which is simply impossible with fighters.
Capcom doesn't have that much time left.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Day One Patch? That's big if they are going to have one.
I'm pretty sure they will have one but it won't be anything crazy like characters. Probably minor fixes.
It's part of how the ground states work, or more specifically look, in this game. A character laying flat on the ground is pretty synonymous to someone who plays other fighting games as being in a "wait to get up and can't do anything else until then" state. Now the little bounce they do after being spiked is longer, so there's a better visual cue that you can still keep wailing on them. This helps newer players up their game (and longer combos = more damage = more competitive, I don't know how that isn't apparent; are you seriously arguing against shorter combos?) without dumbing the game down. It's good design, plain and simple.
It probably won't have a comprehensive tutorial (what we know about Mission Mode thus far just sounds like what we got in MvC3 again), but we've got on-screen prompts in the story mode so that's better than before already, I imagine there's more of that.
The best way to do it IMO is a combination of what SFV did (integrating it with a narrative/cinematic component) and what Skullgirls does (just the breadth of tutorials available). But more SFV than SG; as tutorials that require more reading than doing are not the way to go. Ideally you'd have an announcer explaining what to do as you dick around and do it.
Newniverse
Member
The OTGs in this game are extremely easy. If you bring out your partner at the right time, them coming in alone otgs the opponent off the ground. Not sure if this because the whole corner wall bounce thing... I mean either way, in most cases, you only have to tag to otg. They get hit off the tag coming in.
Karsticles
Member
The three accessibility changes I am not a fan of are:
1) The new control scheme. LMHS was way easier to understand than LK, LP, HK, HP. I don't think this adds anything to the game.
2) d,d over dp motions. I realize that some people might like the change, but I think it should be a toggle. Don't force me to change an input *I* have been using for over 20 years as an experiment.
3) qcb.KK for fly/unfly. Why is this being made more difficult?
My own anecdotal experience is also that MvCi tag swaps lead to higher APM than MvC3, and the resulting combos are more difficult. Though it seems like everyone can do launch -> aerial -> launch -> aerial solo, so it might not matter for casuals.
1) The new control scheme. LMHS was way easier to understand than LK, LP, HK, HP. I don't think this adds anything to the game.
2) d,d over dp motions. I realize that some people might like the change, but I think it should be a toggle. Don't force me to change an input *I* have been using for over 20 years as an experiment.
3) qcb.KK for fly/unfly. Why is this being made more difficult?
My own anecdotal experience is also that MvCi tag swaps lead to higher APM than MvC3, and the resulting combos are more difficult. Though it seems like everyone can do launch -> aerial -> launch -> aerial solo, so it might not matter for casuals.
lucebuce12
Member
SDCC's a lock. Probably something at EVO too.
Doctrine Dark
Member
No MVC game ever had a Story Mode, either.
Sdcc should be a big event for this. Not sure if it's before evo tho, date wise. I expect a ton of characters dropper and a new playable build there + evo.
Maybe they'll drop a rando spider-man Twitter teaser on the day homecoming is out
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
That Ruby Heart lore in 2 tho.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Depend on what kind of trailers are you asking for? In general, I would imagine that we might get about 6-8 more trailers in general.
Hopefully we would see Spider-Man before the movie's release date. Also there are three potential events that we could get the trailers from. D23/EVO and SDCC. D23 and EVO 2017 would occurs during weekend of July 14-17, and SDCC would happens during July 20-23.
It's interesting because Polygon ran that article basically asking people to hate MvC:I and that's coloured the game's perception from the jump. Such a terrible article that was ignorant of publicly available information about the game and Day 1 content (which, unlike SFV where they went quiet about it, they're still talking about those modes this close to launch). Day 1 content that is the most that any Capcom game has ever had at launch which is.. the opposite of what Polygon was rallying against?
Probably a good bet we'll see something (maybe minor) at SDCC a week later, given that they'll probably get free floor space being a part of Marvel Games.
Could not agree more, especially with the option for a toggle for DP motions, was just thinking about that the other day, but dev usually stand firm on their controls for consistency.
D23 and EVO are happening at roughly the same time, I don't know how they'll handle reveals between the two, though. Maybe the same build at both with announcements/trailer beforehand and then another at EVO finals.
Probably a good bet we'll see something (maybe minor) at SDCC a week later, given that they'll probably get free floor space being a part of Marvel Games.
Yup. Three really dumb changes made for the sake of change under the guise of accessibility, despite the older setup being much more intuitive. Flight shouldn't use a hyper combo input -- that's just confusing. It's not the '90s anymore.
"Well you're wrong" - what a douche bag. Yipes has been in the FGC for years and is very sincere, we don't need some overly loud Overwatch shmuck to demean him or his opinion.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
For Jedah's reveal I want the EVO stage to be pitch black and all you hear is his sadistic laugh before the screens show off gameplay.
Newniverse
Member
Maybe im not understanding the argument here... How is this not user friendly??? You literally only have to tag in your partner to get an OTG. And this works out of corners as well.
The fact that OTGs became integral to UMVC3m but had major shifts in accessibility and utility was a large turnoff for me.
You had characters who could only OTG with Hypers, and then you had others that could press a standing normal and get one. It really made it feel like some characters were almost useless to play, because using them REQUIRED an assist you might not even want to play at all.
This ended up being extremely off-putting, and felt limiting. Much like how KoF 2k2 UM had MAX mode combos, but some characters (who shall remain Nameless) made it feel like the feature defined the game, and others had almost no use at all for them. It was like a feature made to make a small subset of a large cast look cool. And that, to me, just seems like poor game design, in the end.
I actually really like how the shift to 2vs2+a gem has properly paired with each character more self-sufficient. For all the things I DISLIKE about this game so far, I think they're hitting that aspect mostly out of the park. I want EVERY character in a MVC to feel like a main superhero, not for some roster slots to feel as if I'm stuck playing a team of sidekicks, y'know?
You had characters who could only OTG with Hypers, and then you had others that could press a standing normal and get one. It really made it feel like some characters were almost useless to play, because using them REQUIRED an assist you might not even want to play at all.
This ended up being extremely off-putting, and felt limiting. Much like how KoF 2k2 UM had MAX mode combos, but some characters (who shall remain Nameless) made it feel like the feature defined the game, and others had almost no use at all for them. It was like a feature made to make a small subset of a large cast look cool. And that, to me, just seems like poor game design, in the end.
I actually really like how the shift to 2vs2+a gem has properly paired with each character more self-sufficient. For all the things I DISLIKE about this game so far, I think they're hitting that aspect mostly out of the park. I want EVERY character in a MVC to feel like a main superhero, not for some roster slots to feel as if I'm stuck playing a team of sidekicks, y'know?
Karsticles
Member
I will laugh my ass off if the Time X-Factor's optimal follow-up is jab mashing and we see it at Evo.
Edit: Jedah revealed alongside Dormammu? Please?
Edit: Jedah revealed alongside Dormammu? Please?
Finally got around to playing the demo, kind a sucks how limiting it is with the bots dying. But being back to 2p 2k felt so good again.
I think I'm just going to forget about this game until it actually comes out. I'm tired of being dissappointed or talking shit on a game that isn't out yet.
Now if it's released and looks rough I'll throw shade. But right now gameplay is looking solid. So I'm looking forward to that.
When's Jedah.
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Qcb+2k is fine for flight, that's how you flew in Mvc2 and people have been stomping fools with their Gundam for years no problem.
Only thing I'm not a fan of is d,d + button. I've never been a fan of the command personally.
I think I'm just going to forget about this game until it actually comes out. I'm tired of being dissappointed or talking shit on a game that isn't out yet.
Now if it's released and looks rough I'll throw shade. But right now gameplay is looking solid. So I'm looking forward to that.
When's Jedah.
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Qcb+2k is fine for flight, that's how you flew in Mvc2 and people have been stomping fools with their Gundam for years no problem.
Only thing I'm not a fan of is d,d + button. I've never been a fan of the command personally.
Turbanator
Member
I, for one, greatly prefer the classic layout to the LMHS setup.
Layout-wise IMO, XvSF/MvC1 > MvC2/MvCI > TvC/MvC3
I'd jizz so much Morrigan would be appalled.
Layout-wise IMO, XvSF/MvC1 > MvC2/MvCI > TvC/MvC3
I'd jizz so much Morrigan would be appalled.
Yup.
I, personally, don't give a shit about team building. I don't want to have a character that makes my team worse because the assists don't work. I just want my characters to be able to do things. Be self-sufficient, as you said.
Everything about this game, except for Chun's model, looks and sounds great to me. I can't wait.
roflwaffles
Member
The Dieminion/Undertaker of reveals.
I agree with y'all, Dante looks like ass too tho. Also I don't agree with some of the control changes, especially the DP one. Still, the gameplay potential excites me more than 3
Newniverse
Member
I find Dante's face the worse. People have been giving Chun Li most of the fire, but no... I think Dante looks like hes on drugs. Chun Li doesnt look that bad. IMO
Karsticles
Member
The "sidekicks" feel is an indirect result of creating "assist only" characters. It absolutely doesn't have to be that way, though. See Skullgirls for a way to create an entire roster of characters that are good at everything.
Assume Jedah and Dormammu are in the game, and both of them play like their respective selves last we saw them. Jedah's dash gives him a quick high/low game, and Dormammu has Dark Spells, Dark Hole, and Stalking Flare for pinning. That's a lot of synergy between the two characters:
1) Jedah gets a hit; end in super.
2) Tag Dormammu in during the super animation and store 1D2C.
3) Release 1D2C (meteor shower) for a ton of pin.
4) Tag Jedah in for 50/50s that last a few seconds.
Dormammu's meteor shower will specifically benefit characters that have a good high/low game, but it won't help characters with left/right mix-ups much. On the flip side, a character with a teleport will prefer a partner with a beam to help teleport mix-ups - something Dormammu won't be great at doing.
Team building will still be important. Different characters will need different kinds of moves to cover them. An example that I have been fantasizing about for a few weeks:
Assume Jedah and Dormammu are in the game, and both of them play like their respective selves last we saw them. Jedah's dash gives him a quick high/low game, and Dormammu has Dark Spells, Dark Hole, and Stalking Flare for pinning. That's a lot of synergy between the two characters:
1) Jedah gets a hit; end in super.
2) Tag Dormammu in during the super animation and store 1D2C.
3) Release 1D2C (meteor shower) for a ton of pin.
4) Tag Jedah in for 50/50s that last a few seconds.
Dormammu's meteor shower will specifically benefit characters that have a good high/low game, but it won't help characters with left/right mix-ups much. On the flip side, a character with a teleport will prefer a partner with a beam to help teleport mix-ups - something Dormammu won't be great at doing.
Oh, yeah, him too. And a lot of his moves look like they're missing effects.
I'm not a fan of the dp change, but it's not a big deal to me.
I liked 2v2 way more than 3v3, and I like two punches and kicks more than lmh.
Possibly, but the scenarios you came up with are entirely dependent on two characters you love without consideration for anything else. It feels like characters all have enough tools that, while team composition and gems will play a role, im not going to be forced to play somebody i have no interest in just because of a tool that complements the character I like.
To be far Dante seems like the party type, he's probably into some hardcore shit.
Jedah is my favorite fighting game character, and most wanted even tho I figured he'd never get in. There's no way he's not neutered, even gotta re-imagine his supers
Everything about Jedah feels like a natural fit for this gameplay. I hope they do him justice.
This is supposed to be Dante not donte. A Dante party consists of pizza and strawberry sundaes.
Karsticles
Member
I think this is largely a factor of how oppressive some strategies are. Players are forced to play certain things in UMvC3 not because they have to optimize their own team, but because they can't deal with the opposition with out it. KaneBlueRiver has a whole second team set aside JUST for Morridoom because his team can't handle it.
Right now, MvCi is missing most of its cast, but I've seen some oppressive keepaway from MMX in videos. If MvCi gets something like Morridoom or Team Spiral (from MvC2), then it's THAT combination that will force players to incorporate specific characters to deal with those setups. I can totally see MvCi getting a keepaway team where you throw projectile A, tag, throw projectile B, and it covers everything. Then you continue that swap-flow to continue locking your opponent down.
The usual pattern for a Marvel game is players think everything will be viable. Then the game becomes refined and options are cut, which is usually when the first wave of the playerbase drops off. I am really skeptical about the idea that people won't be forced to use certain combinations in this game - it would be a first for a Marvel game!
I have faith in that aspect, I just want him to still chop his head off.
Monster Hunter
Jedah and Black Panther
I only need one more character to have 2 teams
DO it crapcom
Jedah and Black Panther
I only need one more character to have 2 teams
DO it crapcom
I always laugh when I see this lolIts really loved by hipster FGC , thats why its so popular on GAF. I think the graphics dont look too good , I mean look at this.
Well we know they are doing character trailers for this game. I'm just talking about a trailer that shows us something new. We definitely won't be getting 6-8 between now and launch.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
No one likes SFIII.
Everyone likes 3rd Strike.
Everyone likes 3rd Strike.
Ok, I thought I was the only one that thought LP, LK, HP, HK was a weird layout for this game.
it really is bizarre seeing people go "finally, a marvel game for me! no assists, no team building, i can just play the characters i want how i want!" b/c history in every single fighting game ever says otherwise, especially in the vs. series.
it kinda feels like tiers are super real when you go buck wild with givin' characters tools. it's basically a given that some chars are just gonna be infinitely better than others- the big question is ultimately how much of that is going to stabilize within a short timeframe and how much that's gonna be affected by annual (?) patching.
there's no doubt in my mind whatsoever there's gonna be a vanilla sentinel/ultimate wesker situation where some idiot char that's good at a basic level is gonna get kicked in the nuts while some shithead-tier char like morrigan/zero is gonna get buffed bc they haven't been truly explored yet. especially under the context of SF5's competitive touring. it's something i haven't seen a lot of folks bring up when it comes to that competitive aspect 'cuz it's such a departure from the game's competitive developments being built up by the community for however 6 years straight