Doctrine Dark
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The lack of modes and the disastrous CFN woes were what hurt SFV the most.
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The weird thing about SFV's reviews is that while a lot of people claim that it got bodied by critics, its Metacritic score is around the same number as ARMS (which everyone sees generally positively). As for SFV, I feel like the lack of Arcade Mode did more damage than the lack of Story Mode (which Capcom gave us a heads-up on ahead of time).
christiankid7
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I've gone from disliking the entire MVC2 OST to just thinking it doesn't fit. Still prefer the earlier games' music though.
I wonder if X-23's theme would be better without the lyrics or not....
I thought I heard him say "Cut the Pizza" once haha
Not sure PN.03 should be considered a franchise.....
It's an IP, at least.
Maybe they should have stuck with MT Framework. Capcom were fucking wizards with that engine on the 3DS.resident evil: the mercenaries 3d (3ds)
marvel vs capcom: infinite (ps4/xbox one)
its just so fun to beat this dead horse
Granted, they're gonna try to fix the Capcom faces in the Day 1 update, but perhaps sticking with MT Framework would have saved them the growing pains (especially since they made MvCI internally).
This is what I've been saying since the start. If they were going to go the "low budget cash grab" route, why even port to a new engine at all?
christiankid7
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Yeah its an IP
Isn't trying to drop MT for Panta Rhei the thing that screwed Capcom up at the beginning of this gen to begin with? Maybe they should have kept it.
Isn't trying to drop MT for Panta Rhei the thing that screwed Capcom up at the beginning of this gen to begin with? Maybe they should have kept it.
I believe so, though now the RE Engine ended up being the MT Framework successor that Panta Rhei failed to be.
With SFV, it was mostly done by Capcom with some help from Dimps (albeit with them helping out less than they did with SFIV, hence their proprietary engine being dropped). I believe it was the initial character modeling that was outsourced, which isn't uncommon in the gaming industry (correct me if I'm mistaken).
Doctrine Dark
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I guess Capcom felt a need to utilize the Unreal Engine 4 because that was the go to engine everyone was using. The problem is every other game looks better than MVCI.
Are there any other games that Marvel likely influenced the artstyle of?
Are there any other games that Marvel likely influenced the artstyle of?
Again, they lied about this! Dimps made most of SF 5, check the credits:
http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/street-fighter-v/credits
Also they made almost all of SF 4...
Per what others have said, it's picked up huge in the industry over there because UE4 has good documentation for Japanese native speakers.
I think Telltale Guardians, since it ditched the cel-shading that Telltale is known for in most of their other games (Ex: The Walking Dead, Batman). I wouldn't be surprised if the current visual issues are a mix of the internal team's inexperience with UE4 & them not being comfortable with the art style Marvel may have requested.
Going through their recent games (Telltale Guardians MvCI, Spider-Man, Powers United, etc.), with the exception of the Lego Marvel games (for obvious reasons), most of their recent output seems to be within a similar ballpark in terms of art style. Obviously some vary more than others (Telltale & Capcom varying a bit more from the rest), but they don't seem to stray too far from the general semi-realistic style.
I'm clicking a lot of the names and it seems like they're mostly capcom to me?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm fine with anyone from Breath of Fire, at long it's a good choice. My top three wanted BOF characters (Capcom, just pick one of those three please!
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Doctrine Dark
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Good to know. Quite annoying. I wonder how the game would've looked without this artstyle.
Many think it comes down to Capcom not being as skilled, but I'm not sure anymore. Capcom always made it a point to make sure Chun-Li looked good. The fact that she looks so bad in this style makes me wonder...
Undead Fantasy
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resident evil: the mercenaries 3d (3ds)
marvel vs capcom: infinite (ps4/xbox one)
its just so fun to beat this dead horse
It's a damn shame this series will end like this.
i think even worse than the face is they made her less bustier and such but didn't change her clothes so it looks too big for her now lmao.
I admit I didn't scroll down far enough to see all the dimps credits but Capcom never said they weren't outsourcing for SFV (I believe they said 60% internal?). I also don't think they ever hid that Dimps was behind SFIV and SF x T.
DMC5 will use Panta Rhei and it's going to be beautiful, then all Itsuno is going to say is it was tough but we made it work. Lol.
NoizyChild
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People over-exaggerated those first day blues.
Yeah, the servers being down really sucked, but people act like they were down for a week.
The lack of modes at launch is a valid complaint, but why are people still holding on to that more than a year and a half later?
lucebuce12
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DMC fans never lose hope, it's honestly kind of amazing.
only the crazy ones.
Doctrine Dark
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You and I both know that people are ready to throw shit at Capcom the 1st chance they get when something isn't right. All you heard was people saying, "SFV launched with a network that didn't even work" and it took off from there. "When's Arcade Mode" has pretty much become a meme at this point, but it looks like they're gonna add it. Capcom has to stop giving these people ammunition.
I think SFV stepped it up with their post launch stuff. It's just...well, those 1st impressions mean a lot. I thought SFXT ended up being a great game by Version 2013, but all of the previous damage didn't allow it to progress, unfortunately.
I just hope the content is good for MVCI. I also hope the netcode is solid.
People already think theres not going to be any modes in MVCI despite the fact they said there will be day one
Not crazy. The chances of Itsuno working on a new DMC is high but there is also a chance that what he is working on isn't DMC. All that can be confirmed is that he is working on something.
CFN/netcode compatibility? it seems like they probably wanted to use it for multiple games
Doctrine Dark
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This game isn't apart of the CFN.
lucebuce12
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The game has been confirmed to not use the CFN functionality.
It's still also not clear whether it uses the same rollback netcode as SFV but I would not be surprised if it does.
It's still also not clear whether it uses the same rollback netcode as SFV but I would not be surprised if it does.
The only possible reason I could imagine why they'd want to get this onto UE4 is they plan to milk the fuck out of this game with constant DLC and it's cheaper and easier doing that through UE4 rather than MT Framework... somehow the costs work out in their favor in the long run even though it's more expensive in the short run porting and "upgrading" a bunch of assets from the previous game.
Of course that all assumes the game doesn't bomb right out of the game... which it almost assuredly will.
Of course that all assumes the game doesn't bomb right out of the game... which it almost assuredly will.
Jawmuncher
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Never give capcom the benefit of the doubt
"Jedah will be DLC"
"but they already showed him at EVO"
"doesnt matter they will make him DLC"
Doctrine Dark
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You know, I don't think this game is going to bomb.
I don't think it'll make its 2 million projections, either.
I don't think it'll make its 2 million projections, either.
lucebuce12
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So it's gonna pull an SFV?
christiankid7
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I think it will underperform, not bomb.
Doctrine Dark
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Pretty much. I could see it reaching 1.7 or 1.8 in sells at best.
Lowest would probably be like 1.4 million.
So definitely not great. With the way they "promoted" this game, realistically, that's all they should expect.
Lowest would probably be like 1.4 million.
So definitely not great. With the way they "promoted" this game, realistically, that's all they should expect.
Lee Chaolan
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Yeah I'm also expecting "decent" sales but way below Capcpom's outlandish expectations.
DLC is gonna be so huge for this. and I don't mean the first season pass of characters either.
DLC is gonna be so huge for this. and I don't mean the first season pass of characters either.
Turbanator
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SFxT was in a MUCH worse situation and it still sold over a million. I can see this one reaching 2M by at least the end of the year.
Remember the guy who said we'd only have 20 characters and the rest were DLC despite having like 26 confirmed at the times?
Because it still doesn't have the bare minimum: Arcade Mode.
If they scrapped Arcade Mode for something like World Tour, great. But as there is right now, there isn't a mode where you can casually fuck off in. And that's really important. Even as a competitive player I do enjoy Arcade Mode or stuff like World Tour where I can kinda just practice bnbs in a "fun" mode with a goal. Right now if you're a casual player, there isn't really much to bring you into SFV right now imo.
DR2K
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So the online will actually work within the first year.
lucebuce12
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Hey, you're back!!
MiguelMexMIstery
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he was banned...
DR2K
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I was here in spirit. The emotional roller coaster in this thread was not missed.
Yeah, that was fun. Same person also said Gamora was just a reskinned Phoenix.
christiankid7
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Well, Gamora is obviously a Frankenstein's monster made of tons of reused assets, remember? 
It will probably perform very similarly to SFV but I'm wondering how it being on the Xbox One will boost that number. It has to be good for what 300K-500K on just the Xbox One right?
I think its the same netcode.
http://kotaku.com/marvel-vs-capcom-infinite-wants-even-newbies-to-have-a-1794685310
lucebuce12
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Yup, this game's fucked.
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