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[Rhaknar]

The HUD color doesn't change no matter where you're fighting. I don't know what else to tell you, Max's video do look different from everybody else's.

Just one look at that Jedah vid and something looked odd to me, the whites are like blindingly white.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to imply here. That Max is purposely making the game look better than what it actually does?

 

[MrCarter]

All I can see is that it's slightly brighter on Max's videos. Nothing major.

 

[Dahbomb]

I think it's a valid observation and point to make. Those videos look different enough where a question needs to be raised.

 

[christiankid7]

Maybe they'll fix the character select when all 6 DLC characters are released as a patch sometime around December/PSX maybe?

Perhaps they were always planning to scrap the whole thing in the near future and this is just to get it out there, I guess?

 

[Neonep]

Can somebody update me, has anything significant happened since the new trailer dropped? I saw the trailer this morning.

 

[Turbanator]

Yeah, that better not be final. It's not perfect, but something like this would be much better:

All series and themes (Avengers, cosmic, etc.) are together, as well as analog characters/rivals where possible (Strider/Gamora, Morrigan/Strange, Jedah/Dormammu, Dante/Ghost Rider).

There's nothing I hate more than nonsensical character select screens.

Hilariously enough, I actually was in the middle of making something similar. I just couldn't figure out how to organize the Marvel side without making it weird, so I left it alone for a bit and one hour later (I was AFK for something), I come and find you did one yourself.

 

[jett]

I'm not even sure what you're trying to imply the. That Max is purposely making the game look better than what it actually does?

You got me, I'm trying to unmask the great Maxmillian Shill Conspiracy! /s

I only answered to somebody asking why did Max's vids look different, I said it looked like the gamma was jacked up. Max himself detailed how he does his videos, explained he's not altering the colors on purpose. I said maybe his process is altering the original source quality, provided comparisons. That's it.

 

[Sigmaah]

This new gameplay vid....

Bruh if u say this game don't look nice bruuuh ur yuggin.

Jedah looks fucking nuts and I can't wait to play with him. Ghost rider and dormammu look so nice, They have nice voice actors and Jedah too. Dunno wdf they did to firebrand but whatever I'm not gonna be tight about it lmao.

Ahhhh this game is gonna be fucking amazing!!!

 

[Bronetta]

Can somebody update me, has anything significant happened since the new trailer dropped? I saw the trailer this morning.

A bunch of previews

 

[enzo_gt]

Maybe Max planted those changes to manipulate the discussion around the game, to incite infighting within House MahvelGAF, all in his manipulative pursuit of something greater.

 

[bangbang i'm a timpani]

max is the only reason why this game isn't a complete pile of shit right now. guy does far better marketing than capcom.

 

[jett]

max is the only reason why this game isn't a complete pile of shit right now. guy does far better marketing than capcom.

Max's great. I think he's single-handedly turning this game's image around on some level.

 

[LeMaximilian]

Maybe Max planted those changes to manipulate the discussion around the game, to incite infighting within House MahvelGAF, all in his manipulative pursuit of something greater.

It's the same lighting/monitor value adjustments I make for every gameplay video on the channel.

 

[Zero-ELEC]

Man, I wish more characters looked like Jedah. Jedah looks nice and appropriately shiny and cool looking. Even the other new characters don't look half as good as Jedah, let alone the returning ones.

Is there an example of the transition (like a specific time stamp?)

Should be this. Old footage but as far as I know newer builds still work like this.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Man, I wish more characters looked like Jedah. Jedah looks nice and appropriately shiny and cool looking. Even the other new characters don't look half as good as Jedah, let alone the returning ones.


Should be this. Old footage but as far as I know newer builds still work like this.

Yeah that's pretty weak. Also that was the first time I heard Morrigan in this game.
"Lets PlaY AGain SOmeTimmee"

 

[LeMaximilian]

Yeah that's pretty weak. Also that was the first time I heard Morrigan in this game.
"Lets PlaY AGain SOmeTimmee"

IMO, Morrigan/Firebrand/Gamora are the worst offenders of the VO delivery.

Although, Strider, Jedah, Zero are pretty great.

 

[JeTmAn81]

So how many of these characters have never been in a fighting game before? Just Captain Marvel, Gamora, Ultron and X, right? That would be four out of thirty that were absolutely designed and created from scratch. At least we've got more of that coming with the DLC. Black Panther and Sigma will be cool.

 

[Zero-ELEC]

Yeah that's pretty weak. Also that was the first time I heard Morrigan in this game.
"Lets PlaY AGain SOmeTimmee"

Someone needed a better accent coach. Or, more likely, any accent coach.

IMO, Morrigan/Firebrand/Gamora are the worst offenders of the VO delivery.

Although, Strider, Jedah, Zero are pretty great.

Gamora just sounds bored out of her skull.

So how many of these characters have never been in a fighting game before? Just Captain Marvel, Gamora, Ultron and X, right? That would be four out of thirty that were absolutely designed and created from scratch. At least we've got more of that coming with the DLC. Black Panther and Sigma will be cool.

Depending on what you qualify as a fighting game. Is Contest of Champions one? If so, it's just X. But if you're going Capcom fighters, then yes only those were "designed from scratch".

 

[kirblar]

So how many of these characters have never been in a fighting game before? Just Captain Marvel, Gamora, Ultron and X, right? That would be four out of thirty that were absolutely designed and created from scratch. At least we've got more of that coming with the DLC. Black Panther and Sigma will be cool.

Thanos wasn't in MvC3 and has a completely redone moveset, so that's 5.

 

[Zero-ELEC]

Thanos wasn't in MvC3 and has a completely redone moveset, so that's 5.

He does not have a completely redone moveset. Some of his normals are the same.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Went and listened to some Gamora. I'm actually fine with that one, to me it fits the imageI have of the character. But I can understand the dislike towards it. I agree about Firebrand and Morrigan though.

Also I gotta say I watched this video in particular and this fight was pretty intense to watch.
https://youtu.be/tvlWDjk1Y18?t=6m52s
Has a time code where it gets REALLY close

 

[christiankid7]

I'm trying to come up with a better select organization and this somehow came up.

I wonder, if we were to get a DMC villain and it couldn't be Vergil, who do you think we'd get?

Would Nelo Angelo count as a new character or

Spoiler

Vergil?

 

[DD-11]

God all you guys do is nitpick. Character select ordering? Training stage look? Who is and isn't a returning character? The colours of different videos? Voice actors?

You guys are your own worse enemy. This place bitched endlessly about no SP in SFV and now that has clearly been prioritised the discussion is on other things

Capcom really can't win. The game looks amazing, isn't that the most important thing?

 

[JayEH]

Mundus would be cool. Yes I want the giant statue from DMC1.

God all you guys do is nitpick. Character select ordering? Training stage look? Who is and isn't a returning character? The colours of different videos?

You guys are your own worse enemy. This place bitched endlessly about no SP in SFV and now that has clearly been prioritised the discussion is on other things

Capcom really can't win. The game looks amazing, isn't that the most important thing?

Capcom can't win because they're putting out subpar products compared to the competition. Out of here with the poor capcom stuff. All the things you list are part of what make a good game. Good gameplay alone isn't enough.

 

[kirblar]

Morrigan's accent disappearing and reappearing is really weird.

 

[MoxManiac]

I like Gamora's theme

 

[Jawmuncher]

I'm trying to come up with a better select organization and this somehow came up.

I wonder, if we were to get a DMC villain and it couldn't be Vergil, who do you think we'd get?

Would Nelo Angelo count as a new character or

Spoiler

Vergil?

Thinking about it a DMC villain would be pretty hard to do. Just because none of them outside vergil have any sort of lasting impact or fan presence from my outside look of things. I think we discussed it before back with the fake leak that said hell vanguard would be a character in the game. Obviously that was outlandish as all hell but it kinda nailed home how the series wouldn't really see a good rep outside Vergil when it comes to a villain.

I would say Nelo Angelo would be the closest thing but that's kind of redundant when taking in the bigger picture.

When you have to start looking at Arius, Credo, Nevan, arkham, and DmC Mundus you know you got a problem.

God all you guys do is nitpick. Character select ordering? Training stage look? Who is and isn't a returning character? The colours of different videos? Voice actors?

You guys are your own worse enemy. This place bitched endlessly about no SP in SFV and now that has clearly been prioritised the discussion is on other things

Capcom really can't win. The game looks amazing, isn't that the most important thing?

I will say in general it's a good thing that people are critical. I doubt for example the faces would have gotten fixed if people would've just stayed quiet about them.
Plus currently what is there to really discuss in the "Character and Roster's" thread. We know all the base characters and potentially 5 out of the 6 DLC characters.
We know all the stages as well. I guess there's gameplay to discuss but a lot of us here are more on the casual side so the most I can comment on that is "Jedah looks cool" "Firebrand looks bad".
I can't say anything about OTGs and KFC combos.

Regardless I find 90% of the discussion to be fair in this thread. People bitch or are critical but the majority is because people want this to be the best game it could possibly be.
A lot of people are passionate about MvC and because of that not everyone is just going to hand wave some of the more odd choices made for the game.
As for the capcom can't win. That's just a case of their current strategy. They're trying to be a AAA company without a AAA budget and it shows. So with such an approach they're gonna be on a rocky road in presentation until they even things out on what they want to do as their main company strategy.

 

[AWizardDidIt]

Thanos wasn't in MvC3 and has a completely redone moveset, so that's 5.

And Jedah makes +6

He does not have a completely redone moveset. Some of his normals are the same.

Thanos has 0 asset or 3d animation reuse and his existence in prior games likely resulted in no actual time or money savings in creating him for MvCI

 

[Bronetta]

And Jedah makes +6Thanos has 0 asset or 3d animation reuse and his existence in prior games likely resulted in no actual time or money savings in creating him for MvCI

Applying this logic to MvC3 means every character in that game outside of the Street Fighters was a newcomer.

30 newcomers!

 

[Jawmuncher]

You won't see me counting a returning character even with some redone moves as a new character. Even if it's their first time in 3D. I go by the character itself and in that case there's only 5 brand new characters in the game. I want people I haven't seen before. I can understand why others might count that though. Hell some people count Rocket as a newcomer because of all the new groot moves.

 

[AWizardDidIt]

Applying this logic to MvC3 means every character in that game outside of the Street Fighters was a newcomer.

30 newcomers!

Sure if you want to just be willfully ignorant, lets go with that.

 

[Zero-ELEC]

Thanos has 0 asset or 3d animation reuse and his existence in prior games likely resulted in no actual time or money savings in creating him for MvCI

I never talked about reusing assets or animations. The question was "[H]ow many of these characters have never been in a fighting game before?"

 

[DD-11]

You won't see me counting a recurring character even with some redone moves as a new character. Even if it's their first time in 3D. I go by the character itself and in that case there's only 5 brand new characters in the game. I want people I haven't seen before. I can understand why others might count that though. Hell some people count Rocket as a newcomer because of all the new groot moves.

That went over really well for SFV season two.

 

[Bronetta]

Sure if you want to just be willfully ignorant, lets go with that.

Just playing your game.

 

[Bronetta]

That went over really well for SFV season two.

Once again with that SFV comparison.

SFV newcomers = unknown nobodies

MvC newcomers = established characters with established fanbases.

 

[Zero-ELEC]

That went over really well for SFV season two.

If you cannot tell the difference between an All-Star Crossover fighter and a regular fighter, I cannot help you.

 

[DD-11]

Once again with that SFV comparison.

SFV newcomers = unknown nobodies

MvC newcomers = established characters with established fanbases.

Who are, for most of the casual audience, unknown nobodies.

 

[JeTmAn81]

I can't disagree that most of the complaints about this game seem like nitpicking. Character variety and quantity is a baseline feature of games like this, though. There's a feeling of diminishing returns when practically every character is somebody you've already been playing for years. Still, it didn't prevent MVC2 from being a great game, and a lot of people picked their old favorites in MVC3 as well. I think with a decent schedule of DLC this game will stay fresh enough.

 

[Jawmuncher]

That went over really well for SFV season two.

SFV is a different beast altogether.
In Marvel vs Capcom the character's that show up are proven in some form. Even the oddities like Spencer or Modok existed prior in another medium.

In Street Fighter you don't know who the hell you're gonna end up with when it comes to newcomers and when the current climate is more hits than misses. People are gonna want their favorites before Kolin. SF4 and SFV at the momenta kinda show how much capcom is throwing at the wall and trying to see what sticks.

For your other comment I think it's easy to see that capcom & marvel at least in MVCi are treating the Capcom side as Casual City.
Nova and Captain Marvel are the only real character's they wouldn't know from that side and even then both are apparently having movies potentially soon.

The capcom side is always going to be a bit more geared towards the hardcore gamer. But even then they add more than enough of their big franchises to compensate.

 

[JayEH]

Ahh the sfv season 2 comparison. Because comparing a character like Abigail and black panther is the same. That movie will probably bomb.

 

[SpiceMelange]

The game looks way better than the past months. Did they tweak the lighting or something?

Daredevil & Star Lord are not unknown nobodies to the casual audience.

 

[Neonep]

Who are, for most of the casual audience, unknown nobodies.

Daredevil & Star Lord are not unknown nobodies to the casual audience.

 

[DD-11]

Mundus would be cool. Yes I want the giant statue from DMC1.



Capcom can't win because they're putting out subpar products compared to the competition. Out of here with the poor capcom stuff. All the things you list are part of what make a good game. Good gameplay alone isn't enough.

Can't disagree more. For me, capcom fighters are the benchmark. Despite all the extras netherrealms put in their games, I can't stand the gameplay or the janky pole up the ass animations.

I don't give a damn about stages, or voice work or extras. Just good solid gameplay and a lab.

 

[FSLink]

I think those adjustments you're doing might be changing how the game actually looks like. I whipped a quick comparison.

Top: Gamespot
Middle: official screenshot
Bottom: your Jedah breakdown video

To be fair, I'd trust Max to be better at screen capturing than Gamespot. Official screenshots also tend to not be the greatest at capturing how the game actually looks either. Either they're bullshots and/or they use a really shitty capture card.

It's the same lighting/monitor value adjustments I make for every gameplay video on the channel.

Thanks for all the captures man.

Any chance you heard if we're gonna be doing more awkward thumbs up between matches like SFV? Or is it more sensible this time around?

God all you guys do is nitpick. Character select ordering? Training stage look? Who is and isn't a returning character? The colours of different videos? Voice actors?

You guys are your own worse enemy. This place bitched endlessly about no SP in SFV and now that has clearly been prioritised the discussion is on other things

Capcom really can't win. The game looks amazing, isn't that the most important thing?

Yeah, fuck us for having standards. I think most of us agree that the Gameplay looks top notch which is why everything else is so glaring.

As for SFV, there's a lot of issues with that game, despite it getting better, and it still doesn't have the bare minimum in some areas. Of course people are going to complain.

 

[DD-11]

Daredevil & Star Lord are not unknown nobodies to the casual audience.

No argument about starlord, but we do have gamora and rocket, and I'm sure he's coming. Id prefer yondu myself though.

But I don't think there is frothing demand for daredevil.

 

[Neonep]

Ahh the sfv season 2 comparison. Because comparing a character like Abigail and black panther is the same. That movie will probably bomb.

Lol. Go and look at the views of the Black Panther trailers. That movie has an extreme amount of hype behind it. It ain't failing.

 

[plasmawave]

That black and gold Ironman looks sick.

 

[JayEH]

Lol. Go and look at the views of the Black Panther trailers. That movie has an extreme amount of hype behind it. It ain't failing.

I was being sarcastic.

Can't disagree more. For me, capcom fighters are the benchmark. Despite all the extras netherrealms put in their games, I can't stand the gameplay or the janky pole up the ass animations.

I don't give a damn about stages, or voice work or extras. Just good solid gameplay and a lab.

That's fine. I rate gameplay above other things as well. but to most people especially the casual audience who needs to pick up this game for it to sell, the roster and presentation matter more to them. The game is lacking in both to most.

 

[Valkerionseven]

Only roster complaint I have is that the DLC characters seemingly are either all original/remake if that Venom rumor is true, and are most likely in the dang story. Showing Black Panther then saying order the season pass was a huge kick in the teeth.

The roster does feel really uninspired with the inclusion of some of the more uninteresting characters like Spencer, Haggar, and Frank personally, simply because there are a ton of more interesting characters to choose from which is kinda always a personal issue. I'm mostly satisfied with the roster sans my X-Men but I would have liked to see them go in some more interesting directions.

Feels like the Marvel side had check boxes, and the Capcom side was just who can we bring over with the least fuss. Would have liked to see a few characters change more than they did I guess.

Either way I got all the characters I wanted more or less. Dormammu, Captain Marvel, Jedah, Nemesis. Also looking forward to playing the game in all honesty. Just hoping the story mode is good and not a half hearted effort like Street Fighter 5's.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Only roster complaint I have is that the DLC characters seemingly are either all original/remake if that Venom rumor is true, and are most likely in the dang story. Showing Black Panther then saying order the season pass was a huge kick in the teeth.

The roster does feel really uninspired with the inclusion of some of the more uninteresting characters like Spencer, Haggar, and Frank personally, simply because there are a ton of more interesting characters to choose from which is kinda always a personal issue. I'm mostly satisfied with the roster sans my X-Men but I would have liked to see them go in some more interesting directions.

Feels like the Marvel side had check boxes, and the Capcom side was just who can we bring over with the least fuss.

I think it was that and "Who can we hold off since they'll sell as DLC".
I have no doubt in my mind Wesker and Vergil will be in the game. But their exclusion from the base roster is obvious.
Since you'd be hard pressed trying to sell say firebrand to the masses as DLC.