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Marvel's Jessica Jones |OT| A.K.A. Marvel's A.K.A. Jessica Jones *spoilers for S1*
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HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Marvel managed to do something they could never do in the movies or shows thus far: make powers fucking terrifying.
Oh come on now, that's not a spoiler. Kilgrave is Thanos, is what a spoiler is.
ReginaldXIV
Member
Given that Jessica Jones had time to be a hero, have an arch-nemesis, retire, and then have a general person refer to her "as one of them." I'm guessing this takes place at least a year or two after the current season of Agents of SHIELD.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
The atmosphere and Ritter's performance has such an air of sadness, malaise, and discontent.
No, this should take place in November 2015 or at least around that time.
Every single Marvel Property besides Cap 1 takes place at the time of release
Baroquemantic
Member
Gotdamn that ending.
, but I really like that it is. Amazing pilot. On to the next one!
I was not expecting the show to be this dark
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
He's referring to her as "one of them" in the same way a racist refers to all Muslims as terrorists.
In the MCU, all the public knows is that the Avengers and aliens exist.
What exactly getting spoiled? .
No, aside from Agent Carter and Cap 1, all the MCU stuff is happening... well... when it happens. People exist with powers outside of the Inhumans, but if people see someone with powers, they're instantly going to assume they're Inhuman, whether or not they're correct. Enhanced are "the other" in this universe.
And that a masked vigilante nicknamed Daredevil is around the neighborhood. ^_^
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Yeah, I'm definitely hooked after seeing Episode 1. One of the strongest pilot episodes I've seen in awhile.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
So there are mutants and people with powers due to exposure that are just running around that no one mentions? I guess there's the Hulk and Daredevil, but I suppose Luke Cage would fit into that category.
That's the comic book. Whatever critic said the show was neo noir is right. lol
There's also gifted without disclosure where they got it. Also asgardians and probably krees dicking around.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
And with his new ridiculous costume, fuck does the public know any different?
SchrodingerC
Member
The casting is spot on so far.
Not many, but there are. That's what SHIELD's more advanced operations kept busy most of the time - keeping that shit quiet. Absorbing Man is on that list too. There are lab accidents, random occurrences of nature, etc. Remember what Nick Fury said to Tony at the end of Iron Man 1? "You think you're the only superhero in the world? You've become part of a bigger universe. You just don't know it yet."
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah, I think I'll just go back to ignoring the MCU. It's already making my head hurt. lol
I had my doubts too, and wasn't really feeling it until the middle of the episode.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I'll say it again: if this season ends with Kilgrave being alive, I'll be disappointed.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Wasn't feeling the first 20 or so minutes, but man did it pick up.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Since all MCU stuff takes place when its released, this is precisely why
that dude saying "one of them" is simply referring to her being a superhero, like the avengers he's seen on tv. NOT an Inhuman. (Thank god.)
I don't think someone in the MCU sees Thor on tv and is like "Oh, no, he's not someone born with powers, precisely, or someone granted powers, he's an alien from a plane called Asgard." They just think he's a dude with crazy powers.
Look at the timeline
(Spoilers through episode 2)
Kilgrave spent an extended period of time manipulating a powered Jessica. Jessica manages to extricate herself from his control and he is GOT by a bus.
Muuuuuch time passes.
Kilgrave manipulates a doctor and the bus driver to get fresh kidneys, a process that must have taken a few weeks.
The doctor has had enough time to be drummed out of his business and forced to teach community college science.
Jessica and Trish's friendship disintegrates.
Kilgrave finds a new girl to manipulate and does so for at least a month, as they had a month-long anniversary dinner, also a significant period of time.
Even in the most conservative estimate, Jessica has had her powers for at least a year and a half.
Also, the core of the character is that she's had her powers for a very long time, long enough to try to be a hero and then give it all up after trauma. Trying to consolidate all that into a timeline that allows her to also be an Inhuman demolishes the entire point of her story.
Muuuuuch time passes.
Kilgrave manipulates a doctor and the bus driver to get fresh kidneys, a process that must have taken a few weeks.
The doctor has had enough time to be drummed out of his business and forced to teach community college science.
Jessica and Trish's friendship disintegrates.
Kilgrave finds a new girl to manipulate and does so for at least a month, as they had a month-long anniversary dinner, also a significant period of time.
Even in the most conservative estimate, Jessica has had her powers for at least a year and a half.
Also, the core of the character is that she's had her powers for a very long time, long enough to try to be a hero and then give it all up after trauma. Trying to consolidate all that into a timeline that allows her to also be an Inhuman demolishes the entire point of her story.
That's why that speculation bothers me, to be honest. It's not trolling, it's just a reaction to putting MCU continuity snooping over character building.
Wut? We have had too many villains just come and go in the MCU. We need some to have some continuity, which Wilson Fisk and Loki are doing.
And this as well.
Cabbagehead
Member
He doesn't die in the comics why would he die here... don't get your hopes up.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
The way they are portraying Kilgrave - I can't possibly see them justifying having such a monster live. There's no way to control or stop him.
And from a narrative standpoint, it would be such a huge cop-out. Bigger than Red Skull.
Cabbagehead
Member
lol yeah no he's going to live, he have many more great and interesting interactions with Jessica even later on. Really great moments indeed in the later comic and panels. Though he's less of a problem per say if they go that route still. He has a hold over her in some ways if they cross paths, though having luke and love ones helps big time.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I guess it's weird that the Purple Man/Kilgrave would exist in the MCU but no one would mention it in the countless movies. But again, I just need to stop thinking about the MCU.
I suppose my other question was whether or not
she was Jewel and if she had some kind of masked hero persona... but that doesn't make sense in the MCU because up until Daredevil, there are no "secret" superheroes. Everyone knows who Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, et al, are.
Yeah, he could just walk away for multiple reasons. Because he wants to, because he is scared of something, because he is badly wounded. A lot of things really, that don't involve his death.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
It's all in the very deliberate execution. If you compare it something like Daredevil, where the photography and setting is very sort of controlled and "flat", very smooth camera work, this show is hand held, you can hear every friggin mote of dust in every room. It's expansive in the most unsettling way.
Every shot and every piece of sound design opens up the settings as much as possible and in all that space
Kilgrave or someone under his control could be lurking.
It's absolutely terrifying.
Cabbagehead
Member
But there is a way to stop him and they figured it out in the comics...
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
I guess it's weird that the Purple Man/Kilgrave would exist in the MCU but no one would mention it in the countless movies. But again, I just need to stop thinking about the MCU.
I suppose my other question was whether or notshe was Jewel and if she had some kind of masked hero persona... but that doesn't make sense in the MCU because up until Daredevil, there are no "secret" superheroes. Everyone knows who Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, et al, are.
Not true.
Hank Pym was Ant Man during WWII.
(just tagging it because the original sentiment was tagged)
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
You're assuming they are going to follow the comics point for point, which Marvel has proven time and time again that they don't care about doing.
Cabbagehead
Member
An you're assuming that they will kill Jessica Jones arch Nemesis(where as they won't kill Kingpin). Just because he's a monster.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Oh I didn't bother watching that movie. I thought it all took place in the present though?
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