eastx
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Yes, it picks up again after episode 10. And considering how Daredevil episode 2 is one of the best in the series (or any action series), that continues to be a really weird place to give up on it.
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Yes, it picks up again after episode 10. And considering how Daredevil episode 2 is one of the best in the series (or any action series), that continues to be a really weird place to give up on it.
On Daredevil: I actually gave up relatively early into Ep. 2(sometime during him as a boy stitching up his father). I had real trouble getting hooked into Ep. 1 and with that sluggish start to ep. 2, I shut it off and never looked back again. So I only really watched the first episode of DD actually.
Will give it another chance after I finish JJ though.
Finished it. Really bummed out about
Kilgrave dying. I know he was alive in the comics, and that he was in prison or something, so I'm sad he doesn't have a better fate on the show. I get that no prison in existence could possibly hold him, but I just really liked him you know? David Tenant was so entertaining as him, he was the main reason I enjoyed this season. Just sad to see him go out like that.
Episode 10 has one plot thread that is really frustratingly dumb, but the rest is fine for the most part. The remaining episodes are solid.
They still have to really show off Daredevil Season 2 and Luke Cage, they still have to start publicly putting Iron Fist together, and apparently Defenders needs to be out the door by a certain date. Sadly, there's too much on their plate at the moment to start talking about anything post Defenders.
Luke is immune to the Purple Man in the comics anyway. IIRC, all the Thunderbolts have nanites in them
nanomachines lol
Terareflection
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It was and wasn't a good idea to look at this thread. I just started E7, and other than some less than stellar acting, I am really liking it.
Like the fact that they aren't writing a generically "likable" protagonist. She's somewhat human...at least compared to the rest of the cast.
Like the fact that they aren't writing a generically "likable" protagonist. She's somewhat human...at least compared to the rest of the cast.
Finished it up today. I thought episodes 11 and 12 lost a lot of steam and really made a case for a shorter episode season-but the finale was great in my opinion. I loved seeing Claire and I liked the very final scene with Malcolm. Bring on season 2.
comic book logic just has prisons where they "take away your powers" while you're incarcerated and everyone just goes with it. I don't think the MCU is ready for that kind of suspension of reality just yet.
Or just have a throw away scene of Coulson taking him away. Then again that would just raise more questions as to why SHIELD has been ignoring all the shit going on in Hell's Kitchen and why Jessica, Luke, and Daredevil weren't asked to join the Secret Warriors when those three seem way more competent that Lincoln and Melt Man.
The Daredevil stuff I may understand since aside from Stick and Daredevil himself there isn't really anything superheroic as Kingpin was just a man. This Jessica Jones stuff though, I mean I guess they're distracted by all the Inhuman and Ward stuff that keeps fucking their shit up.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The fact that Ward is the greatest villain SHIELD has ever faced kind of makes SHIELD the most ineffective fighting force in the history of humanity, so. lol
Yeah it's stuff like this that makes the active separation between Agents of SHIELD and the movies all the more annoying.
YourMaster
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I hope not, the big advantage of on demand shows is that you can expect the viewers to not miss a single episode and make an actual proper story instead of just being episodic. Instead of simple filler the main arc could have been expanded, have additional story.
eastx
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They didn't have enough main arc to last 13 episodes and you're suggesting there should have been more of it? That's illogical.
Both are filler, because you're filling episodes with material you don't need. But having fun caper of the week stories is better than needlessly stretching/filling out a short story. Something like The Hobbit could have been way stronger as a 2 film and a filler spin-off.
YourMaster
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No it's not, there wasn't enough to the current story to properly fill 13 episodes, they should have made a better full story. Not do a very basic story and add random filler.
This is different though because they try to follow a single book, there is not 'more story'. The hobbit would have been better as a single film. If they wanted to do three movies, they should have done a completely different story set in the LotR universe, not do the Hobbit in three movies and fill it up with, I don't know, long shots of Bilbo cooking dinner because hobbits like to cook.
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brucewaynegretzky
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Aren't they basically doing that in Agents of SHIELD?
Finished the final episode. It was a pretty great ending. Kilgrave showing those purple veins was a nice nod to his comic version. The stuff between Jessica and Luke were fantastic, and it's nice that they left the relationship status open at the end since he still has his own series to get more development. Glad to see that the finale didn't have any of the worst elements of the show in it. Would have really sucked if Simpson suddenly barged in at the end for a final battle royale between Jessica, Kilgrave, Luke, and Trish. That would have been the worst. I was also afraid that the stupid twin sister would find Luke in Jessica's apartment for extra ~drama~. Thank God none of that shit happened.
P.S. Simpson sux, and the entire IGH thing feels like a lame duck attempt to link the Netflix Marvel Universe without having to reference anything major in Agents of SHIELD or the movies. We'll probably find out that the truck where Daredevil got his powers from was from IGH too. Lol. Maybe they'll be involved in a hostile takeover with Rand Corp in Iron Fist. And I bet their link to Reva, whatever it is, will play a role in Luke Cage.
P.S. Simpson sux, and the entire IGH thing feels like a lame duck attempt to link the Netflix Marvel Universe without having to reference anything major in Agents of SHIELD or the movies. We'll probably find out that the truck where Daredevil got his powers from was from IGH too. Lol. Maybe they'll be involved in a hostile takeover with Rand Corp in Iron Fist. And I bet their link to Reva, whatever it is, will play a role in Luke Cage.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Finished the final episode. It was a pretty great ending. Kilgrave showing those purple veins was a nice nod to his comic version. The stuff between Jessica and Luke were fantastic, and it's nice that they left the relationship status open at the end since he still has his own series to get more development. Glad to see that the finale didn't have any of the worst elements of the show in it. Would have really sucked if Simpson suddenly barged in at the end for a final battle royale between Jessica, Kilgrave, Luke, and Trish. That would have been the worst. I was also afraid that the stupid twin sister would find Luke in Jessica's apartment for extra ~drama~. Thank God none of that shit happened.
P.S. Simpson sux, and the entire IGH thing feels like a lame duck attempt to link the Netflix Marvel Universe without having to reference anything major in Agents of SHIELD or the movies. We'll probably find out that the truck where Daredevil got his powers from was from IGH too. Lol. Maybe they'll be involved in a hostile takeover with Rand Corp in Iron Fist. And I bet their link to Reva, whatever it is, will play a role in Luke Cage.
Compared to the Daredevil ending, it's not even a contest. It's much more intense without needing any (bad) punches thrown.
And yes, it feels way burdened by the MCU junk.
The Artisan
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yeah, I think daredevil will be like iron man of the first defenders. Iron man had 2 films before av1 and daredevil will have 2 seasons before the defenders.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Compared to the Daredevil ending, it's not even a contest. It's much more intense without needing any (bad) punches thrown.
And yes, it feels way burdened by the MCU junk.
The one things the MCU gives the show is an excuse to not get into how weird it is that some people have super-powers. It's an established thing. So, for that, it's good.
I'm glad they didn't really get into it any more than that.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
In a world with Inhumans, giant green men, a mutant man carrying a bulletproof shield, and freaking space aliens why is a mind controller that hard to believe? Everyone treats Jones as if she's crazy at the beginning of the show.
I thought it was ok. I was initially hyped only because I loved DD and it had some ties to it. Didn't like a lot of the fight scenes, they weren't executed very well. Some of the episodes dragged on too long. A few cringy forced one liners. Hated some of the subplots like the couple that pretended to cheat on each other and tried to kill Jessica for some wierd reason I dont remember.
Didn't like the main actress. Everytime they had her use her special powers like jumping and leaping it looked cheap. Her acting seemed too try hard. Maybe I just don't like the character. I remember her from breaking bad and thought she was good but maybe it's the direction or material in this case.
David Tenant is amazing. Never seen him in anything but gifs from Dr. Who. He is memerizing to watch. His Kilgrave is perfect.
I thought Luke Cage was pretty good overall. Sometimes he was too static. The fight with Jessica and Luke sometimes I felt like he was holding back or something, just seemed sluggish.
Loved the ending though, really good.
Side question: I didn't catch the explanation of why Jessica suddenly became immune to mind control. Did I miss this or did the viewer just kinda had to have a leap of faith there?
Didn't like the main actress. Everytime they had her use her special powers like jumping and leaping it looked cheap. Her acting seemed too try hard. Maybe I just don't like the character. I remember her from breaking bad and thought she was good but maybe it's the direction or material in this case.
David Tenant is amazing. Never seen him in anything but gifs from Dr. Who. He is memerizing to watch. His Kilgrave is perfect.
I thought Luke Cage was pretty good overall. Sometimes he was too static. The fight with Jessica and Luke sometimes I felt like he was holding back or something, just seemed sluggish.
Loved the ending though, really good.
Side question: I didn't catch the explanation of why Jessica suddenly became immune to mind control. Did I miss this or did the viewer just kinda had to have a leap of faith there?
And of course about three to four other people capable of mind control or just taking over them. Like Loki with the mind Stone, the Agent Carter bad guy, one of those enemies on Shield at the moment, scarlet witch to some extent.
No, she is just so horrified by het actions in killing someone that she learns to reject him.
Ah, I see. Yeah, I vaguely remmeber it was something that happened in her old house. I probably wasn't paying attention or it just wasn't explained well enough.
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Hmmm, yeah I guess it wasn't explained well enough in my eyes. Just seemed out of the blue to me that she suddenly gained the immunity. Couldn't Hope have also developed the immunity then, seems like a wierd reason. I mean she killed her parents, that's pretty horrific and could be argued that it was more horrific than what Jessica went through.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Because it's difficult to prove, and people with powers are still an extreme minority.
Also, people don't treat her like she's crazy, she doesn't even try to convince them because it's farfetched.
Seems like the EP of Jessica Jones is unsure herself as for a second season, because Marvel and Netflix have a lot on their plates. Especially with Daredevil S2, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and The Defenders:
But it's good to know that she's ready to go and fired up about Jessica Jones. She probably won't have any control over the character for the Defenders show though, but she trust Krysten Ritter will protect the character.
Source: Variety
But it's good to know that she's ready to go and fired up about Jessica Jones. She probably won't have any control over the character for the Defenders show though, but she trust Krysten Ritter will protect the character.
Source: Variety
It's worth to add that the average human is, likely, little aware about the exact nature of the powers of the gifted. We as the audience know that, but the fictional characters of this fictional world are not so privileged of this information.
You sure you're not confusing that for when she grabbed Kilgrave after he escapes the sound proof room, and he said "Let go of me" but she didn't? She relayed that to Trish saying "I didn't let him go, he can't control me anymore," or something similar. The moment she reflects on this, immediately after, sets off an epiphany in her mind where she flashes back to when she killed Riva. It's heavily implied that the trauma of killing Reva is what snapped her out of his control somehow, because that's the first moment she disobeys his orders when he tells her to stop and come back, but she keeps walking.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The sister really was the most pointless character in the show.
I agree that it falters near the end but I really don't get this idea that there is this stark divide between the first and second half. It's not that inconsistent.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The thing is that a lot of her cases from the book basically involved her chasing down heroes in the Marvel universe... so they just took the one big story that they could pull out of the comic without it interfering with all the MCU stuff.
Femmeworth
Banned
Watched the first episode and not really feeling it. The acting and/or dialogue is lacking.
That's one thing I found weird.
But I just rolled with it later, and that made the plothole bearable.
A Cameo and #itsallconnected
Creating that connective tissue between shows, introducing her to Luke Cage which she seems to be a bigger part of.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Just finished it. Agree the show was stretched thin. The first few episodes were the strongest when kilograve was Mysterious and jessica was doing pi work.
I think i enjoyed daredevil more.
I think i enjoyed daredevil more.
In the first season of Agents of SHIELD, Coulson scoffed at the idea that the Clairvoyant was actually clairvoyant and he's personally met the Avengers.
I guess people don't want it to be real so they don't believe it. The one thing we feel certain we're in control of is our own thoughts/actions so maybe people don't want to let in the truth that someone could take that away.
CaviarMeths
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There are people who do not believe in climate change or evolution. People are very prone to simply ignoring information they find uncomfortable.
Empty Space
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I'm not super heavily invested in the whole MCU, so maybe this isn't public knowledge to most citizens, but Kilgrave isn't the first person to use mind control. Loki did it multiple times in The Avengers on humans and so does Scarlet Witch in Avengers 2. It seems really strange that anyone would have hang ups believing that there is yet another person out there who can do the same. Assuming the registration stuff from Civil War is similar to how it is in the comics shouldn't there be a bunch of talking heads out there running down a list of Scarlet Witch's powers and why she needs to be controlled? Its one thing to be unaware of all the details and its another to be completely oblivious in the way people like the detective are throughout the whole series. His name escapes me but the detective seems like exactly the kind of person who would at least keep in touch with news regarding the powers of some of the enhanced who keep popping up.
Global Warming and Evolution are not really directly observable events. An alien invasion poring out of the sky into New York and an entire city being lifted into the sky are.
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