They are base level thugs exactly. They have relied on guns to do the dirty work. You see how everyone is quick on the trigger in this show.
You expecting niggas to start flipping up and down with martial arts in Harlem??
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Marvel's Luke Cage |OT| Bulletproof While Black - September 30th on Netflix
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You expecting niggas to start flipping up and down with martial arts in Harlem??
BronsonLee
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Luke slappin' and tappin' is fucking hilarious
This guy gets it. In the comics luke yawns during fights with regular henchmen. He doesn't have to do much in fights
UnemployedVillain
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It's almost as if they actually fight how base level thugs should fight...instead of like in DD in which everyone had martial arts training for some reason
NipplesAndToes23
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Well there was one dude...
And he was the perfect example of why nobody got time for all those flips.
BobTheFork
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Those Russian thugs did not have any martial arts training; they just actually looked like they were trying to fight someone.
Other than the russians, most others peons did have training.
the Russians didn't have automatic rifles and guns all out. I remember one Russian trying to pull a gun out
Plus DD had the element of surprise
Byakuya769
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Damn, Cage is that strong these days?
There's no style to the fighting. Even if it's just a straight punch or a hip toss or body slam, it should look cool. As it is it just looks like random flailing, like the way untrained idiots in real life fight. It's a TV show, it's Marvel, it's superheroes. There should be some kind of flourish to it.
UnemployedVillain
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Why though? People in fights aren't trying to look cool. Fights don't always have to be elegant, choreographed "dances", unless that's what you're going for. Especially so if one of the combatants only has to swat the other person away. In fact, when there's that huge a difference in power the person trying to "stylishly" fight just looks stupid, like the one guy flipping who Cage just tossed aside. In DD he'd look intimidating. In LC he just looked silly
Because it doesn't look cool? Is that the complaint we coming to in 2016. Lawd have mercy
Edit: DD makes everything looks scripted which is cool but not as realistic as Luke cage just slapping niggas into a comma and getting shot up
NullPointer
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Might be true to form but it makes for boring action scenes.
Not really. Luke steam rolling and embarrassing people is good stuff.
Luke stomping people isn't cool? This isn't DD.. Lol.
Cats out here want 7 min fight scenes with tons of flips.
Luke ends fights quick because he has the power too. If DD could he would too.
UnemployedVillain
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He's just going to smack them aside. Who gives a shit how flashy they are. It literally means nothing in the fight against Cage
More_Badass
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Define cool.
Luke going through guys like an unstoppable tank is "cool". Fancy choreographed fights or even basic brawling doesn't make sense for the character either.
NullPointer
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Its cool as an idea, but its boring on screen. If Luke is bored in the fights you can't blame the audience for feeling that too.
MHWilliams
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Lexi Alexander took some of this on.
I can agree with this, but you're not going to get much movement on that without powered opponents. Of the entire crew, Cage is the most problematic in this regard, being mostly indestructible.
More_Badass
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Is it any different when the unstoppable action hero effortlessly takes down a room full of bad guys? The outcome is the same, except slick moves make sense in one and doesn't in the other,
This is how people justify the lame ass fights in the Star Wars prequels. Luke isn't a ninja, nor does he need to be. Dude is a near unstoppable tank. Why would he and a bunch of street-level goons be pulling off flips and shit?
You have Daredevil and Iron Fist for the flashy stuff. Luke is just gonna bulldoze fools.
Depends on the viewer. I didn't go in expecting Luke to do Avengers-type action sequences.
UnemployedVillain
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I'm not sure what those have to do with one another. And it clearly isn't true, considering how incredibly popular this is
Yes, but it looks boring when he does it. It's not boring because he's strong. It's boring because the choreography, physical performance, and framing sucks. It doesn't have to be that way.
Example: https://youtu.be/rpPD7whxh9o?t=45s
UnemployedVillain
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That's what Luke Cage needs. More roid rage, more yelling and more needless flailing. You realize these fights aren't comparable, right? That guy is strong, not literally impervious to ANY damage the other character can inflict.
It looks boring to you.
Others have already said the action scenes are dope and make sense for the character. You just like flashy stuff over substance. Nothing wrong with that
You're missing the point on purpose. I'm not asking for yelling and flailing.
I'm aware that my opinion is valid. Thanks.
More_Badass
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The choregraphy and physical performance doesn't suck. In fact, it's perfectly in character and exactly what the tone of the show requires. That Protector fight doesnt even compare because 1) Luke isnt trying to kill, just knock out and incapacitate, 2) he has a calm "fool...please" swagger compared to the psychotic hulk who can be hurt, and 3) The Protector is all about showing how cool Tony Jaa is above anything else, while in Luke Cage, the fights and action are secondary to the story
NullPointer
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Had no expectations for flips or completely hulking out. Guess I could have used some kind of brawling or boxing to it. Some more movement.
He just kind of expressionlessly taps guys. The throws and slamming guys into walls and ceilings work though.
These days? Try the 90s, when he went through he power man process again and got a powerup.
MHWilliams
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As I pointed out earlier, Cage knows how to box, but him boxing would kill any unpowered opponent.
What happened to the Councilman when Diamondback hit him? Caving in chests. That's be Cage in every fight. He literally can't.
UnemployedVillain
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You're asking for fights to throw out all sense of logic for the sake of flashiness. You post a clip showing Tony Jaa vs a hard to defeat foe and are trying to compare it to fights against an impossible to defeat foe. And as people have pointed out, Luke exerting any sort of serious effort would kill anyone he's fighting against. Flashiness makes no sense in either side of the fight
He says that in the second ep " My best shot would kill you"
You are asking luke to be out of character so you think the fights are "cool"
The thing is luke makes everything he does cool because he is one smooth cat. Calmly slapping fools is the greatest thing to watch.
Bruh what is so hard to understand. We out here spoon feeding them reasons why and still don't understand.
Luke has to hold back every time no matter what.
NullPointer
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Then maybe emote more? Show him struggling to contain his strength? Get that camera moving more? Something?
I really do get the points you guys are making, but I still think there has to be a way to make those scenes more exciting or interesting.
MHWilliams
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I mean, I get what Null and Kree are saying. But within the show's logic, Cage will never get into those kinds of fights.
He needs powered foes to get there. Perhaps Defenders will cover it.
He needs powered foes to get there. Perhaps Defenders will cover it.
It is calm, but there is no swagger. It's sloppy and boring. I don't need him to hit like he's trying to kill. I dunno why you're all acting like there's no middle ground between Daredevil and drunken midget wrestling.
Pretty much. Luke doesn't get a real challenge like Daredevil and hell even Jessica.
He is basically the hulk of the TV universe
UnemployedVillain
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Might as well be. Mike Colter is 6'3"
No swagger? Sloppy? Ok now you just gotta stop telling lies
MHWilliams
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I'm in agreement that a Heroes of Hire series would shore up some of these issues. Cage's fighting style looks cool in contrast to another fighter who's a bit more vulnerable. His detached cool makes sense, but looks better next to Jones in her show. I assume it'd be the same next to Iron Fist or Daredevil.
Oh for sure.
For example iron fist is flipping and doing crazy martial arts while luke has like 8 dudes on top of him all in one scene. This actually happened in the recent comic.
That is why defenders is going to look sooo boss
UnemployedVillain
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Captain America has no qualms about hurting or killing people.