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Marvel's Luke Cage *SPOILER THREAD* |OT| Where WAS His Money, Honey?
- Thread starter TheOddOne
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More_Badass
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Think it was you who I replied to in the thread. I think the villains seeming incompetent and disorganized, like you said, comes from them suddenly having to deal with superpowered individuals. Those people are the wrench that makes smooth business and control over their neighborhoods shatter; they have plans and strategies to deal with cops and rival gangs and noisy journalists, but those tactics don't work with superhuman vigilantes. We're not seeing them when they're calm and settled into their position of power, but as they rushing to try to adapt (and failing) to this new unpredictable variable
It's the Long Halloween/The Dark Knight thing. Regular crime organizations aren't equipped or prepared to deal with threats like this
Subpar Spatula
Banned
I think I found out what I don't really like about this one: Luke Cage can't be hurt. I'm on episode 7 right now and Cornell even says when he shows up everyone scatters, it's not even a challenge. With DD he at least could be hurt by a fist or a gun and JJ was still vulnerable.
More_Badass
Member
You have to shift your mindset. The stakes aren't about Luke Cage going up against an enemy who can hurt him. It's about vying for the "soul" of Harlem. The stakes are Harlem's fate, its people and community, not Luke Cage's fate.
That goes away by the next episode.
More_Badass
Member
And even then, the stakes revolve around Harlem itself, with the wider consequence being criminals eventually getting weapons like that
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Which is why Luke is so weird in this story. He's adding little to the soul of Harlem. Misty, Pop, Cornell, Mariah, police, etc. are more interesting so far than Luke. Whenever I see him I just see an indestructible stick thrown into cogs.
Yup. No matter what way you look at it, the "there's no stakes" thing is covered.
Ploid 3.0
Member
I think they will stray away from the comics a lot on that part. They did give it a nod by giving them history at the least. Who knows, but if they get back together, that would make for awkward night nurse visits. Maybe Claire will move on while he's in prison.
Man they really screwed this up. This whole business with Diamondback / Luke's brother is weak. Cornell was such a better adversary than this limpdick bible-quoting melodrama man.
Scarfe and Cottonmouth were easily two of the best characters and the show is falling apart with them dead. Who's next? If Misty or Shades bite the dust I'm out.
You in the wrong thread.
Scarfe and Cottonmouth were easily two of the best characters and the show is falling apart with them dead. Who's next? If Misty or Shades bite the dust I'm out.
You in the wrong thread.
Hahahahaah! So so sorry!
Father_Brain
Banned
smh that this ended without Misty losing an arm
Also, odd choice of ending given that Defenders will probably have to write it off in a few lines of exposition.
Otherwise, it was very good, definitely better paced and plotted than JJ or DD S2.
Also, odd choice of ending given that Defenders will probably have to write it off in a few lines of exposition.
Otherwise, it was very good, definitely better paced and plotted than JJ or DD S2.
Father_Brain
Banned
Yeah, I was wondering that myself too. Glowing weak spot, hello?
Daredevil Season 1 was one large origin story for Daredevil and Kingpin and likewise this was one for Luke Cage and Black Mariah.
Curious to see where this Diamondback Seafarer doctor plotline will go. I'm guessing it's going to intersect with the PMC super soldiers from Jessica Jones.
Curious to see where this Diamondback Seafarer doctor plotline will go. I'm guessing it's going to intersect with the PMC super soldiers from Jessica Jones.
I said this before but these first seasons seem like big set ups and I bet actual canon pairings won't start till during or after Defenders. Hell nobody is even really friends yet.
I just finished the whole season and I like everything about the show except for Luke Cage. I can't fucking stand him.
I made it to about episode 7 or 8 before he really started to get on my nerves, so the last 5 episode kind of felt like a chore to finish.
And oh my god, this so much! Rosario Dawson, Ninja Devoe (Aisha Axton) and the lawyer mom (can't think of her name) are stunning
I made it to about episode 7 or 8 before he really started to get on my nerves, so the last 5 episode kind of felt like a chore to finish.
And oh my god, this so much! Rosario Dawson, Ninja Devoe (Aisha Axton) and the lawyer mom (can't think of her name) are stunning
SchrodingerC
Member
It was kinda contrived, but seeing Luke Cage with his classic costume was great. Too bad we couldn't get a one-off episode in the vein of Black Dynamite, it would've been glorious.
Just finished. The fight with Diamondback fell apart for me because of how awful that costume was and how subpar the fight choreography felt. However overall I loved the show.
I do wonder if Misty Knight will still end up with Danny Rand considering it seems like she's a fair bit older than him in this continuity. Still absolutely stunning though.
I do wonder if Misty Knight will still end up with Danny Rand considering it seems like she's a fair bit older than him in this continuity. Still absolutely stunning though.
Ploid 3.0
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More_Badass
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That fight was a Spider-Man "Mess with one of us" moment
"You look like a damn fool." I loled.
On ep 10 now and loving this a lot. Marvel is killing it on Netflix.
chaobreaker
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Just finished Luke Cage. Ask me how I rank it right now it's a hard tie between this and Daredevil season one as my favourite Marvel Netflix joint. Second behind Jessica Jones and DD season 2. Best cast, cinematography, music of all the shows hands down.
mugurumakensei
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Cottonmouth, Mariah, and Shades are three of the best villains in the Marvel TV and cinematic universe.They are up there with Fisk and Wesley in terms of character nuance.
chaobreaker
Member
I'm all for you but on Shades. Still not sure of his motivations and why he's been fine with being a middleman for a boss he clearly hated. I forgot the steps it took for him to be a petty criminal to a Seagate convict to Diamondback's 2nd-hand man.
To be honest, I thought he had secret super powers the whole time and the sunglasses were hiding them.
I think I need to see all these character's comic counterparts. Maybe they'll look as ridiculous as Nuke and his Jessica Jone's counterpart.
I love/hate that the showrunners trolled us so hard with Misty's arm.
How else we gonna get the Netflix Original Series Marvel's Squirrel Girl?
How else we gonna get the Netflix Original Series Marvel's Squirrel Girl?
I feel you on Shades' motivations, but I thought the actor's performance was really good so it sort of made me overlook it. A lot of the show is like that, actually. Some of the story suffers from missteps but the characters and performances more than make up for that (to me.)
pizzaparty
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Disappointed no one yelled out WOOOOOOOORLSTAAAAARRR during the fight in ep. 13.
More_Badass
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chaobreaker
Member
Oh my god. They are all even worse than Nuke.
Marvel did a lot of work to make these goofy ass villains work and look cool in the show. Fuck me, I knew Shades was a cyclops knock-off.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
They really are up there. Which makes Diamondback stick out even more...really didn't like him. I'd go as far as saying that he's one of the weakest villains of the MCU. It's not the actor, it's the writing. He's just terribly....lame and doesn't fit the show in the slightest.
Plus the Jean-Paul Gaultier pimp get-up was laughable. He looked ready to go right into an Asylum movie production.
Now a bad villain in the home stretch doesn't ruin the show, far from it. Netflix still killing it.
chaobreaker
Member
Erik LaRay Harvey acting really did redeem that terrible character though. He was a very intimidating villain, even if his backstory, how he ended up being behind the strings of literally everything, and how he was the only dude with anti-superhero bullets was a bit contrived.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
On episode 9 and my god, the enemy quality dropped significantly when Cornell died. Diamondback is so generic. Mariah is still slaying, though, hopefully nothing happens to her.
mugurumakensei
Member
Shades is smart enough to realize the person at the top has a target on his or her head. At the same time, he is smart enough to manipulate people into doing what he wants without asking. He used Cottonmouth, Mariah, and Diamondback by exploiting certain weaknesses in their character. he's the leader without being the leader.
Was accurate though
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Sure. Still looked like a stupid-ass Raimi spider-man character though.
The Hand.
For me, the second half of the show really took a serious hit from killing off Cottonmouth. He was far more interesting and had actual several face to face moments with Luke that made their antagonism feel authentic. Then Diamondback comes in with his "Luke, I am your brother" shit, and we have to get an info dump about his past and how he hates Luke for a really petty and idiotic reason. I hate don't like it when villain motivation can be boiled down to "guy's just crazy". That's the major difference, Luke and Cornell didn't like each other for reasons that felt real because of character positions and actions against each other, while Willis is blaming Luke for parent drama that Luke couldn't couldn't influence in any real way. I would have preferred it if Cornell had found a way to surpass diamond back, or atleast have Mariah take the reins as the primary antagonist.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Great actor with some damn fine line delivery. He was fantastic so early on, I was like "I'm ok with this!" But then the plot unfolded and I was left shaking my head. I think it's even worse because IMO, they wasted a great thesp on this evil Mary Sue.
It would have been even worse if it wasn't Alfre in that role. She and Shades carried the bad guys part of the show a lot better than Diamondback. After seeing The Punisher, he was a pretty pale imitation...
More_Badass
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It was a Spectre moment.
All of a sudden, you have this villain who 1) has a completely unnecessary familial relationship to the hero and 2) hates the hero because of daddy issues and 3) is defeated in a whimper of a confrontation