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[vpance]

The world is essentially fucked unless by some miracle it stops.

Remember, 9 missed meals and humanity goes tits up. Really hope yall have guns to protect yourselves if the worst happens. Hungry people are going to come for your shit.

Maybe the national guard or whatever would start distributing rations or something. It could get bad, but probably not post apoc movie bad.

 

[Liberty4all]

11% fatalities? Possibly 15%? Geez

 

[Croatoan]

Maybe the national guard or whatever would start distributing rations or something. It could get bad, but probably not post apoc movie bad.

I think the max is half as bad as a post apoc movie. Parts of the US could look like Katrina, the rest would be puckering their butts and hoping they still have jobs.

If we shut off all traffic with china (which may happen) two things could happen.

1. Stock market dip as panicked people pull their money out.
2. american businesses would be pretty damn screwed, which would lead to job loss over the next six months.

Even some of the burger flippers in this thread might be out of a job if the paper bags mcdonalds buys from china can't be easily bought somewhere else.

Now compound all of that with the sick people missing work, and other people dodging work, and you can see how this shit all goes real bad real quick.

1. Stock market dip (probably worse than 2008, maybe as bad as great depression)
2. Supply chain completely fucked because our businesses rely on china.
3. People unable to work, or refusing to work. Business also not seeing customers as everyone hunkers down. They start laying people off to not go belly up.
4. Rent, mortages, credit cads, and other loans not being paid because people missed work, their jobs shut down, they were fired, or the voluntarily quarantined themselves to keep from getting sick.
5. Market sees 3 &4 and gets worse.
6. Supply chain further affected by 3, 4 and 5. Food isn't being distributed around like it use to (grocery stores empty).
7. People start getting hungry, looting starts, police are either sick or overworked.

While its highly unlikely I could see martial law being declared in quite a few places. Then the riots will start, and the killing begins. At about 3 you want to get the fuck out of any large town or major city. If you don't, or can't then my prayers are with you.

Everything above is moot if the virus turns out to not be a big deal though.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

11% fatalities? Possibly 15%? Geez

The report is long (and full of terrors) but it notes that these people were all older (55+ I believe) and all had some sort of preexisting medical condition, so that is likely why the mortality rate is higher than normal.

We'll still need to wait and see, but HOPEFULLY it's not as bad as it seems (though still not good).

In other news..

US evacated a bunch of US citizens from Wuhan.. and there are here in So Cal now!!



Hopefully they can keep them quarantined and taken care of.

 

[infinitys_7th]

So that's racist now they say. Interesting. My co worker, she's from South Korea, and told me it's from the Chinese eating bats and rats. Then she goes on to tell me that "they will eat anything".

Wonder if she's racist or just telling me facts. I've never been there. I wouldn't know. She has.

It's a little bit of all of the above. China is not as "clean" a country as South Korea or (especially) Japan, and they eat pests and garbage (e.g. gutter oil), sometimes alive (as in live baby mice).

Asians also hate each, so it probably was racist, but that does not mean it is not true.

 

[nush]

I think the max is half as bad as a post apoc movie. Parts of the US could look like Katrina, the rest would be puckering their butts and hoping they still have jobs.

If we shut off all traffic with china (which may happen) two things could happen.

1. Stock market dip as panicked people pull their money out.
2. american businesses would be pretty damn screwed, which would lead to job loss over the next six months.

Even some of the burger flippers in this thread might be out of a job if the paper bags mcdonalds buys from china can't be easily bought somewhere else.

Now compound all of that with the sick people missing work, and other people dodging work, and you can see how this shit all goes real bad real quick.

1. Stock market dip (probably worse than 2008, maybe as bad as great depression)
2. Supply chain completely fucked because our businesses rely on china.
3. People unable to work, or refusing to work. Business also not seeing customers as everyone hunkers down. They start laying people off to not go belly up.
4. Rent, mortages, credit cads, and other loans not being paid because people missed work, their jobs shut down, they were fired, or the voluntarily quarantined themselves to keep from getting sick.
5. Market sees 3 &4 and gets worse.
6. Supply chain further affected by 3, 4 and 5. Food isn't being distributed around like it use to (grocery stores empty).
7. People start getting hungry, looting starts, police are either sick or overworked.

While its highly unlikely I could see martial law being declared in quite a few places. Then the riots will start, and the killing begins. At about 3 you want to get the fuck out of any large town or major city. If you don't, or can't then my prayers are with you.

Everything above is moot if the virus turns out to not be a big deal though.

I'd argue that most people are not equipped for a wilderness survival situation so an urban survival plan would suit them better as resources like water, power, shelter and communication would be easier to source. You would want to be moving away from densely populated areas of a city/town for sure.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

11% fatalities? Possibly 15%? Geez

These are all patients with novel coronovarius pneumonia who were hospitalised. Those numbers are not different from viral pneumonias that were previously known. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6901688/

Pneumonia can be deadly, regardless of what causes it.

 

[Croatoan]

I'd argue that most people are not equipped for a wilderness survival situation so an urban survival plan would suit them better as resources like water, power, shelter and communication would be easier to source. You would want to be moving away from densely populated areas of a city/town for sure.

Not talking about wilderness. More talking about people who have family in the country and/or other homes.

My family is lucky that we have 2 places we can go out in the boonies of Texas.

1. our land that is extremely secluded and has a trailer/small farming compound on it. No utilities other than power and well water though.
2. our lake house that has access to fish but is less secluded (even though getting to it by car or land is kind of out of the way). Full utilities, but city water, and can sleep 11.

If either of those are a no go, my wife's family has

1. A ranch in the middle of fucking nowhere in west Texas. No Utilities.
2. A ranch an hour from us. Full utilities including well drawn water, and can sleep 15, but on a major highway and close to a small town.

If you don't have access to places like this through your family or friends then yeah, a good urban plan is the next best thing. I don't have any advice there as it isn't what I plan for.

I would not suggest people just leave cities and try and squat on land. You will get shot if you are in states like Texas that have no trespass laws. I have no idea on the feasibility of trying to camp in state parks. Seems like a bad idea to me.

 

[nush]

Not talking about wilderness. More talking about people who have family in the country and/or other homes.

My family is lucky that we have 2 places we can go out in the boonies of Texas.

1. our land that is extremely secluded and has a trailer/small farming compound on it.
2. our lake house that has access to fish but is less secluded (even though getting to it by car or land is kind of out of the way).

If either of those are a no go, my wife's family has

1. A ranch in the middle of fucking nowhere in west Texas.
2. A ranch an hour from us that is on a major highway.

If you don't have access to those things through your family or friends then yeah, a good urban plan is the next best thing. I don't have any advice there as it isn't what I plan for.

I would not suggest people just leave cities and try and squat on land. You will get shot if you are in states like Texas that have no trespass laws. I have no idea on the feasibility of trying to camp in state parks. Seems like a bad idea to me.

My plan would be travelling through urban environments to a country location by bike so it requires some planning on what resources I can get when passing through. For example once you start looking as the world in a different way you notice all the unsecured external power and water points available. Also spotting stealth camping locations.

 

[Croatoan]

My plan would be travelling through urban environments to a country location by bike so it requires some planning on what resources I can get when passing through. For example once you start looking as the world in a different way you notice all the unsecured external power and water points available. Also spotting stealth camping locations.

Just be careful when moving through other people's property out in the sticks. In real SHTF situations they are unlikely to be friendly.

Hell, a couple years ago I had a dude roll up with a shotgun and ask if I belonged on my father's property. From then on I have always made a point to stop and talk to the people who own the property around us so I don't get shot. LOL.

And yeah, this is in modern day Texas.

 

[vpance]

I think the max is half as bad as a post apoc movie. Parts of the US could look like Katrina, the rest would be puckering their butts and hoping they still have jobs.

If we shut off all traffic with china (which may happen) two things could happen.

1. Stock market dip as panicked people pull their money out.
2. american businesses would be pretty damn screwed, which would lead to job loss over the next six months.

Even some of the burger flippers in this thread might be out of a job if the paper bags mcdonalds buys from china can't be easily bought somewhere else.

Now compound all of that with the sick people missing work, and other people dodging work, and you can see how this shit all goes real bad real quick.

1. Stock market dip (probably worse than 2008, maybe as bad as great depression)
2. Supply chain completely fucked because our businesses rely on china.
3. People unable to work, or refusing to work. Business also not seeing customers as everyone hunkers down. They start laying people off to not go belly up.
4. Rent, mortages, credit cads, and other loans not being paid because people missed work, their jobs shut down, they were fired, or the voluntarily quarantined themselves to keep from getting sick.
5. Market sees 3 &4 and gets worse.
6. Supply chain further affected by 3, 4 and 5. Food isn't being distributed around like it use to (grocery stores empty).
7. People start getting hungry, looting starts, police are either sick or overworked.

While its highly unlikely I could see martial law being declared in quite a few places. Then the riots will start, and the killing begins. At about 3 you want to get the fuck out of any large town or major city. If you don't, or can't then my prayers are with you.

Everything above is moot if the virus turns out to not be a big deal though.

I feel like government would step in once #3 begins to appear. At that point the fear would be tangible enough for them to be afraid of anymore escalation.

In my mind that means mobile quarantines and eventually national guard or military setting up shop in malls or grocery stores to distribute food, water and other necessities. People without proper protection would be advised to stay home, and curfews would be enforced to minimize looting and general criminality in places that need it.

 

[squallheart]

The report is long (and full of terrors) but it notes that these people were all older (55+ I believe) and all had some sort of preexisting medical condition, so that is likely why the mortality rate is higher than normal.

We'll still need to wait and see, but HOPEFULLY it's not as bad as it seems (though still not good).

In other news..

US evacated a bunch of US citizens from Wuhan.. and there are here in So Cal now!!



Hopefully they can keep them quarantined and taken care of.

Oh hell no quarantine them o.o it's like 30 min away from me. *buys masks for parents*

 

[MaestroMike]

One bat can host many different viruses without getting sick. They are the natural reservoir for the Marburg virus, and Nipah and Hendra viruses, which have caused human disease and outbreaks in Africa, Malaysia, Bangladesh and Australia. They are thought to be the natural reservoir for the Ebola virus. They also carry the rabies virus, but in that case the bats are affected by the disease.

Their tolerance of viruses, which surpasses that of other mammals, is one of their many distinctive qualities. They are the only flying mammals, they devour disease-carrying insects by the ton, and they are essential in the pollination of many fruits, like bananas, avocados and mangoes. They are also an incredibly diverse group, making up about a quarter of all mammalian species.

But their ability to coexist with viruses that can spill over to other animals, in particular humans, can have devastating consequences when we eat them, trade them in livestock markets and invade their territory.

People in many parts of the world eat bats, and sell them in live animal markets, which was the source of SARS, and possibly the latest coronavirus outbreak that began in Wuhan. They also often live in huge colonies in caves, where crowded conditions are ideal for passing viruses to one another.

How Do Bats Live With So Many Viruses? (Published 2020)

They are considered the probable source of the coronavirus outbreak spreading from China. It turns out that they may have an immune system that lets them coexist with many disease-causing viruses.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Liberty4all]

Here is a helpful feed regarding the virus updated every 3 hours:

HotBrief: Latest News on the Most Important Topics

Track the latest world and buisness news all in one place.

hotbrief.com

I found it useful enough I added to my home screen.

 

[nush]

Australian Lab First to Grow New Virus Outside China

The team plans to share the virus with groups around the world to spur development of diagnostics and vaccines

www.scientificamerican.com

As if Australia didn't have enough things that could kill you already.

 

[Lanrutcon]

I'm relying on this thread to inform me when I should knife someone publicly to establish my place in the post-epidemic world.

 

[nush]

I'm relying on this thread to inform me when I should knife someone publicly to establish my place in the post-epidemic world.

Good luck with a knife during a gunfight.

 

[Croatoan]

Good luck with a knife during a gunfight.

Maybe he lives in the uk? They aren't even allowed spoons over there.

 

[ValiantTraveler]

Damn 2020 is one hell of a ride already

If we survive this without an economical/social collapse, the fear-driven prepper industry is due for a huge growth.

Gotta look up some survivalism fundamentals. Keep us updated gaffers.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

The table below shows confirmed cases of coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in China and other countries. To see a distribution map and a timeline, scroll down. There are currently 7,186 confirmed cases worldwide, including 169 fatalities.

 

[GAMETA]

Reality or clickbait?

'People are dying like flies' - South Africans escape coronavirus lockdown in China

It may look like science fiction, but South Africans are quickly getting used to the spectacle of passengers passing through doors at airports wearing masks, as the deadly Novel Coronavirus holds the world in its clutches

www.dispatchlive.co.za

 

[oagboghi2]

Keep your China inspired night-scares wet dreams to yourself. We real talkin' right now. Anecdotes are the desperate man's argument.

I can give you evidence of the same trashy food prep environments in any US or Australian eatery then generalize until the end of time based on that. Or maybe you want examples of French restaurants in Paris poisoning customers with bad meat. But those would just be more anecdotes serving an agenda. Given the amount of food eaten and the number of people eating it, you'd think according to your all encompassing generalization that millions would be suffering from food poisoning on a daily basis (they don't). The food standards are very good overall because the faults were recognized and dealt with. Same reason China's construction industry is the safest in the world, despite over 50% of all global construction taking place there. In the past it wasn't, and the problems were dealt with so now workers don't have to die building high rises.

Wow, you are a genuine bootlicker.

Of course you think China has the highest health standards in the world.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Reality or clickbait?

'People are dying like flies' - South Africans escape coronavirus lockdown in China

It may look like science fiction, but South Africans are quickly getting used to the spectacle of passengers passing through doors at airports wearing masks, as the deadly Novel Coronavirus holds the world in its clutches

www.dispatchlive.co.za

I'd lean very fake news. At least the title. The article mostly seems OK.

As of yet we haven't seen people dying like flies.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Also.. Sheesh

 

[bitbydeath]

37 deaths is quite the jump. Hopefully that doesn’t keep climbing.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

It's hard to tell since there is a 7+ day lead time before people are dying from this.

I'd be happier seeing the treated and released number surpass the deaths..

 

[vpance]

Seems to be relatively close to this 47% geometric progression so far. Tomorrow's data will be interesting

 

[demigod]

The house i lived in Texas in the 90s actually had bats in our chimney. Thank god we didn’t eat them.

My sister said the Chinese government is covering it up and there’s actually 90,000 cases. Not sure where she read it or how accurate it is.

 

[xellos2099alpha]

The house i lived in Texas in the 90s actually had bats in our chimney. Thank god we didn’t eat them.

My sister said the Chinese government is covering it up and there’s actually 90,000 cases. Not sure where she read it or how accurate it is.

I mean there are no evidence, but I won't be surprise. I mean china have complete control over release of news, so of course they can mod the data to their liking. Further evidence was that they rejected usa offer of sending people over to china to help.

 

[Insane Metal]

Also.. Sheesh

That's pretty fucked up, those numbers are going up like crazy. Holy shit.

 

[Chairman Tickles]

Still hovering around the 1-2% kill rate. Good. It's no SARS. I still believe many more are infected than a mere 12,000.

The trouble begins when it reaches the shores of countries that can't handle the patient influx. The infected there will be at the mercy of their own immune systems.

 

[bitbydeath]

Still hovering around the 1-2% kill rate. Good. It's no SARS. I still believe many more are infected than a mere 12,000.

The trouble begins when it reaches the shores of countries that can't handle the patient influx. The infected there will be at the mercy of their own immune systems.

They’ve treated and released a lot less than it’s actually killed though, that’s the worrying part.

Doubly so since they can easily get reinfected making it harder to survive a second time.

 

[TheGreatYosh]

It's most likely a bio weapon that got out. Thanks to globalism it's going to be a pandemic. America is a joke country. I realized that when they tried to allow the ebola virus to spread in America.

Corona Chan has a pretty incredible kill rate too.

 

[nush]

It's most likely a bio weapon that got out. Thanks to globalism it's going to be a pandemic. America is a joke country. I realized that when they tried to allow the ebola virus to spread in America.

 

[Chairman Tickles]

Cut the shit goys.

Anyway, some livestreams of hospital construction;

 

[Smiles and Cries]

C-Milk going in on the goverment again


podcast tomorrow

 

[GAMETA]

They’ve treated and released a lot less than it’s actually killed though, that’s the worrying part.

Doubly so since they can easily get reinfected making it harder to survive a second time.

You can get reinfected with the exact same virus? No mutation needed?

How's that possible? The immune system can't track it? Or is the infection completely overwhelming?

 

[TheGreatYosh]

The biolab in China literally has the Umbrella corporation logo. Corona is an anagram for Racoon! I believe we may be living in a simulation, and the new update is Resident Evil.

 

[SentientStone]

I am quite worried about this situation. I really hope they can contain this as quickly as possible.
I was planning to go to China again next month but now I am not so sure anymore. Wuhan was also the city I stayed in in the last few years. :/

 

[TheGreatYosh]

I am quite worried about this situation. I really hope they can contain this as quickly as possible.
I was planning to go to China again next month but now I am not so sure anymore. Wuhan was also the city I stayed in in the last few years. :/

I despise tourists. Stop traveling around the world bringing back deseases to your people back home. If you're going to go somewhere. Do us all a favor and stay there.

 

[nush]

Cut the shit goys.

Anyway, some livestreams of hospital construction;

Property values of those apartments (The yellow buildings) suddenly tanked!

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I despise tourists. Stop traveling around the world bringing back deseases to your people back home. If you're going to go somewhere. Do us all a favor and stay there.

weird solution, China has more tourist than any other country they will come to you

 

[SentientStone]

I despise tourists. Stop traveling around the world bringing back deseases to your people back home. If you're going to go somewhere. Do us all a favor and stay there.

What? lol

 

[TheGreatYosh]

What? lol

What's hard to understand? Tourists brought it to Washington, Cali, Arizona, Illinois. Those people shouldn't have been allowed back in the US.

 

[TheGreatYosh]

weird solution, China has more tourist than any other country they will come to you

That also wouldn't be a thing with my solution.

 

[lock2k]

That also wouldn't be a thing with my solution.

You are really scared it seems.

 

[TheGreatYosh]

You are really scared it seems.

Not at all. People get what they deserve.

 

[lock2k]

Not at all. People get what they deserve.

True dat

 

[SentientStone]

What's hard to understand? Tourists brought it to Washington, Cali, Arizona, Illinois. Those people shouldn't have been allowed back in the US.

Obviously not all tourists are the same, let's not project all the evil traits onto whichever group our ego identity despises.
Besides, I will bring my sexy germs back to Canada, not to sacred virgin America., the land of the pure and innocent

 

[TheGreatYosh]

Obviously not all tourists are the same, let's not project all the evil traits onto whichever group our ego identity despises.
Besides, I will bring my sexy germs back to Canada, not to sacred virgin America., the land of the pure and innocent

Good to know, you traveling bio weapon.