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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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Your mall having a Taco Bell and Panda Express is not a replacement for actual traveling
It took you that long, and you completely missed the point. Not that I expect anything more from you. I'm not a spiritualy, culturally empty husk of a person without an identity trying to find some kinda meaning in a shit hole country. You're sounding like that eat, pray, love bitch. I'll actually help you out. I hear Wuhan, China is a good place to find yourself.
 
Well I'll be fucking glad if this is true.

An airborne version of HIV is nightmare fuel.

After reading details it the HIV connection is basically meaningless. They sequenced this section of RNA and searched it on BLAST, and found that a few codons (specific sequences of DNA and RNA that encode amino acids) on either end of the RNA strand matched with the HIV sequence, but the codons in between were different. For a large polypeptide (a "medium" polymer of amino acids) or protein (a "large" polymer of amino acids, or of different polypeptide subunits), its function and structure is going to be determined mostly by the amino acids in the middle - the first or final few amino acids do not matter much.

So that is good news, because this would be an extinction-level event otherwise.

*Radio static*

It is airborne in aerosolized droplets. Regardless of whether that meets the epidemiological definition of "airborne" or not, practically it is airborne for people stuck in confined spaces with the infected.
 
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VertigoOA

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oagboghi2

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It took you that long, and you completely missed the point. Not that I expect anything more from you. I'm not a spiritualy, culturally empty husk of a person without an identity trying to find some kinda meaning in a shit hole country. You're sounding like that eat, pray, love bitch. I'll actually help you out. I hear Wuhan, China is a good place to find yourself.
Did I hit a nerve. Was it me bashing your strip mall you call culture?

Your “anti travel” opinion is nonsense, and should be called out as such.
 
Did I hit a nerve. Was it me bashing your strip mall you call culture?

Your “anti travel” opinion is nonsense, and should be called out as such.
No. I already criticized America for being a shopping mall. I wasn't literally talking about shopping malls.
 

12Goblins

Lil’ Gobbie
WHO praising China for their good work.


How far u gotta dig to find garbage like this?

We have the WHO to thank for the numbers we're seeing. We have the WHO to thank that likely noone in your life will be affected by this dangerous virus that can fill up your lungs with fluid until you die. We've seen an extraordinary global effort to limit the spread, including from China, who has made TREMENDOUS improvements since SARS, and we should be grateful ( :
 
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oagboghi2

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How far u gotta dig to find garbage like this?

We have the WHO to thank for the numbers we're seeing. We have the WHO to thank that likely noone in your life will be affected by this dangerous virus that can fill up your lungs with fluid until you die. We've seen an extraordinary global effort to limit the spread, including from China, who has made TREMENDOUS improvements since SARS, and we should be grateful ( :
Did you watch the video?
 
How far u gotta dig to find garbage like this?

We have the WHO to thank for the numbers we're seeing. We have the WHO to thank that likely noone in your life will be affected by this dangerous virus that can fill up your lungs with fluid until you die. We've seen an extraordinary global effort to limit the spread, including from China, who has made TREMENDOUS improvements since SARS, and we should be grateful ( :
Not far. I think I'm subbed, not sure though. I 💖 🇨🇳 too.
 

Mistake

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How far u gotta dig to find garbage like this?

We have the WHO to thank for the numbers we're seeing. We have the WHO to thank that likely noone in your life will be affected by this dangerous virus that can fill up your lungs with fluid until you die. We've seen an extraordinary global effort to limit the spread, including from China, who has made TREMENDOUS improvements since SARS, and we should be grateful ( :
things are better, but still far from good in terms of how things should be. People were given 6 hours notice to leave wuhan before they closed it, and then other major cities didn’t close for a while after. Flights weren’t cancelled and quarantined in time either. This is not an end of the world scenario, since people can recover from it, but as a test run I’d give humanity a D
 

cryptoadam

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Not sure if this was cross posted, but from the politics board


The Department of Justice announced today that the Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and two Chinese nationals have been charged in connection with aiding the People’s Republic of China.

Dr. Charles Lieber, 60, Chair of the Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Harvard University, was arrested this morning and charged by criminal complaint with one count of making a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement. Lieber will appear this afternoon before Magistrate Judge Marianne B. Bowler in federal court in Boston, Massachusetts.

Yanqing Ye, 29, a Chinese national, was charged in an indictment today with one count each of visa fraud, making false statements, acting as an agent of a foreign government and conspiracy. Ye is currently in China.

Zaosong Zheng, 30, a Chinese national, was arrested on Dec. 10, 2019, at Boston’s Logan International Airport and charged by criminal complaint with attempting to smuggle 21 vials of biological research to China. On Jan. 21, 2020, Zheng was indicted on one count of smuggling goods from the United States and one count of making false, fictitious or fraudulent statements. He has been detained since Dec. 30, 2019.

Dr. Charles Lieber

According to court documents, since 2008, Dr. Lieber who has served as the Principal Investigator of the Lieber Research Group at Harvard University, which specialized in the area of nanoscience, has received more than $15,000,000 in grant funding from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and Department of Defense (DOD). These grants require the disclosure of significant foreign financial conflicts of interest, including financial support from foreign governments or foreign entities. Unbeknownst to Harvard University beginning in 2011, Lieber became a “Strategic Scientist” at Wuhan University of Technology (WUT) in China and was a contractual participant in China’s Thousand Talents Plan from in or about 2012 to 2017. China’s Thousand Talents Plan is one of the most prominent Chinese Talent recruit plans that are designed to attract, recruit, and cultivate high-level scientific talent in furtherance of China’s scientific development, economic prosperity and national security. These talent programs seek to lure Chinese overseas talent and foreign experts to bring their knowledge and experience to China and reward individuals for stealing proprietary information. Under the terms of Lieber’s three-year Thousand Talents contract, WUT paid Lieber $50,000 USD per month, living expenses of up to 1,000,000 Chinese Yuan (approximately $158,000 USD at the time) and awarded him more than $1.5 million to establish a research lab at WUT. In return, Lieber was obligated to work for WUT “not less than nine months a year” by “declaring international cooperation projects, cultivating young teachers and Ph.D. students, organizing international conference, applying for patents and publishing articles in the name of” WUT.

The complaint alleges that in 2018 and 2019, Lieber lied about his involvement in the Thousand Talents Plan and affiliation with WUT. On or about, April 24, 2018, during an interview with investigators, Lieber stated that he was never asked to participate in the Thousand Talents Program, but he “wasn’t sure” how China categorized him. In November 2018, NIH inquired of Harvard whether Lieber had failed to disclose his then-suspected relationship with WUT and China’s Thousand Talents Plan. Lieber caused Harvard to falsely tell NIH that Lieber “had no formal association with WUT” after 2012, that “WUT continued to falsely exaggerate” his involvement with WUT in subsequent years, and that Lieber “is not and has never been a participant in” China’s Thousand Talents Plan.

Yanqing Ye

According to the indictment, Ye is a Lieutenant of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), the armed forces of the People’s Republic of China and member of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). On her J-1 visa application, Ye falsely identified herself as a “student” and lied about her ongoing military service at the National University of Defense Technology (NUDT), a top military academy directed by the CCP. It is further alleged that while studying at Boston University’s (BU) Department of Physics, Chemistry and Biomedical Engineering from October 2017 to April 2019, Ye continued to work as a PLA Lieutenant completing numerous assignments from PLA officers such as conducting research, assessing U.S. military websites and sending U.S. documents and information to China.

According to court documents, on April 20, 2019, federal officers interviewed Ye at Boston’s Logan International Airport. During the interview, it is alleged that Ye falsely claimed that she had minimal contact with two NUDT professors who were high-ranking PLA officers. However, a search of Ye’s electronic devices demonstrated that at the direction of one NUDT professor, who was a PLA Colonel, Ye had accessed U.S. military websites, researched U.S. military projects and compiled information for the PLA on two U.S. scientists with expertise in robotics and computer science. Furthermore, a review of a WeChat conversation revealed that Ye and the other PLA official from NUDT were collaborating on a research paper about a risk assessment model designed to decipher data for military applications. During the interview, Ye admitted that she held the rank of Lieutenant in the PLA and admitted she was a member of the CCP.

Zaosong Zheng

In August 2018, Zheng entered the United States on a J-1 visa and conducted cancer-cell research at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston from Sept. 4, 2018, to Dec. 9, 2019. It is alleged that on Dec. 9, 2019, Zheng stole 21 vials of biological research and attempted to smuggle them out of the United States aboard a flight destined for China. Federal officers at Logan Airport discovered the vials hidden in a sock inside one of Zheng’s bags, and not properly packaged. It is alleged that initially, Zheng lied to officers about the contents of his luggage, but later admitted he had stolen the vials from a lab at Beth Israel. Zheng stated that he intended to bring the vials to China to use them to conduct research in his own laboratory and publish the results under his own name.

The charge of making false, fictitious and fraudulent statements provides for a sentence of up to five years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of visa fraud provides for a sentence of up to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of acting as an agent of a foreign government provides for a sentence of up to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of conspiracy provides for a sentence of up to five years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of smuggling goods from the United States provides for a sentence of up to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. Sentences are imposed by a federal district court judge based upon the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers, United States Attorney Andrew E. Lelling; Special Agent in Charge of the FBI Boston Field Division Joseph R. Bonavolonta; Michael Denning, Director of Field Operations, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Boston Field Office; Leigh-Alistair Barzey, Special Agent in Charge of the Defense Criminal Investigative Service, Northeast Field Office; Philip Coyne, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General; and William Higgins, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Department of Commerce, Office of Export Enforcement, Boston Field Office made the announcement. Assistant U.S. Attorneys B. Stephanie Siegmann, Jason Casey and Benjamin Tolkoff of Lelling’s National Security Unit are prosecuting these cases with the assistance of trial attorneys William Mackie and David Aaron at the National Security Division’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section.

The details contained in the charging documents are allegations. The defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

These case are part of the Department of Justice’s China Initiative, which reflects the strategic priority of countering Chinese national security threats and reinforces the President’s overall national security strategy. In addition to identifying and prosecuting those engaged in trade secret theft, hacking and economic espionage, the initiative will increase efforts to protect our critical infrastructure against external threats including foreign direct investment, supply chain threats and the foreign agents seeking to influence the American public and policymakers without proper registration.


sorry for stealing your post O oagboghi2
 

Mistake

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cryptoadam cryptoadam wow, they goofed on that second person. They knew everything and let her go back
Edit: and how many times do you need your stuff stolen before you learn? Sure it sounds racist, but I don’t know why they keep putting chinese nationals in such sensitive positions of power within the US
 
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nush

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Sure it sounds racist, but I don’t know why they keep putting chinese nationals in such sensitive positions of power within the US
It's not racist, you're making an observation based on nationality.

Racist, for example would be "why they keep putting Asians in such sensitive positions of power within the US?"
 
Not sure how legitimate these tweets are and sorry if posted already.





No clue if they're legit.. Why would they weld them so they can be opened a little? If they wanted to keep them in there weld it so it can't open at all.

The 2nd one seems like it has a little bolt that might be easily removed.
 
Not sure how legitimate these tweets are and sorry if posted already.





Chairman Tickles no I would not go LOLZ TWITTER I've seen these types of reported by ADVChina cast on youtube since last week
local authorities and even just people in rural towns are taking steps to do their own thing 'doing it their way' without the goverment asking them to do these things

the dismissives posts calling things fake are just as annoying as the hyper alarmist shit, just hope all of this blows over soon and things get back to a normal flow of life in China

when people are scared they do stupid shit, I would not be so quick to dismiss everything.
 
UK sent it's evacuees to a town in the north with good hospitals and virus care experts, US sends them to Military Bases mmmm well still better than Christmas Island

 

Pallas

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No clue if they're legit.. Why would they weld them so they can be opened a little? If they wanted to keep them in there weld it so it can't open at all.

The 2nd one seems like it has a little bolt that might be easily removed.

If true, I’m assuming it’s to pass certain necessities like medicine, water and food.

also I think(if true, that is) that the providences Local government is doing it.
 
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nush

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No clue if they're legit.. Why would they weld them so they can be opened a little? If they wanted to keep them in there weld it so it can't open at all.

The 2nd one seems like it has a little bolt that might be easily removed.
They both don't make sense, first video is rather over complicated. 4 Weald spots on the hinges would be just as effective and simple. Second video, why does the apartment directly across from them not have bars added?

It's bullshit or more context is needed.
 
Chairman Tickles no I would not go LOLZ TWITTER I've seen these types of reported by ADVChina cast on youtube since last week
local authorities and even just people in rural towns are taking steps to do their own thing 'doing it their way' without the goverment asking them to do these things

the dismissives posts calling things fake are just as annoying as the hyper alarmist shit, just hope all of this blows over soon and things get back to a normal flow of life in China

when people are scared they do stupid shit, I would not be so quick to dismiss everything.

:messenger_tears_of_joy:

Typically, when you report on something developing so quickly, you need to be there or at least have more than hearsay from 'friends' you talk to on social media and a green screen running stock footage behind you.

 
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eot

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Not sure if this was cross posted, but from the politics board


The Department of Justice announced today that the Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and two Chinese nationals have been charged in connection with aiding the People’s Republic of China.

Dr. Charles Lieber, 60, Chair of the Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Harvard University, was arrested this morning and charged by criminal complaint with one count of making a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement. Lieber will appear this afternoon before Magistrate Judge Marianne B. Bowler in federal court in Boston, Massachusetts.

Yanqing Ye, 29, a Chinese national, was charged in an indictment today with one count each of visa fraud, making false statements, acting as an agent of a foreign government and conspiracy. Ye is currently in China.

Zaosong Zheng, 30, a Chinese national, was arrested on Dec. 10, 2019, at Boston’s Logan International Airport and charged by criminal complaint with attempting to smuggle 21 vials of biological research to China. On Jan. 21, 2020, Zheng was indicted on one count of smuggling goods from the United States and one count of making false, fictitious or fraudulent statements. He has been detained since Dec. 30, 2019.

Dr. Charles Lieber

According to court documents, since 2008, Dr. Lieber who has served as the Principal Investigator of the Lieber Research Group at Harvard University, which specialized in the area of nanoscience, has received more than $15,000,000 in grant funding from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and Department of Defense (DOD). These grants require the disclosure of significant foreign financial conflicts of interest, including financial support from foreign governments or foreign entities. Unbeknownst to Harvard University beginning in 2011, Lieber became a “Strategic Scientist” at Wuhan University of Technology (WUT) in China and was a contractual participant in China’s Thousand Talents Plan from in or about 2012 to 2017. China’s Thousand Talents Plan is one of the most prominent Chinese Talent recruit plans that are designed to attract, recruit, and cultivate high-level scientific talent in furtherance of China’s scientific development, economic prosperity and national security. These talent programs seek to lure Chinese overseas talent and foreign experts to bring their knowledge and experience to China and reward individuals for stealing proprietary information. Under the terms of Lieber’s three-year Thousand Talents contract, WUT paid Lieber $50,000 USD per month, living expenses of up to 1,000,000 Chinese Yuan (approximately $158,000 USD at the time) and awarded him more than $1.5 million to establish a research lab at WUT. In return, Lieber was obligated to work for WUT “not less than nine months a year” by “declaring international cooperation projects, cultivating young teachers and Ph.D. students, organizing international conference, applying for patents and publishing articles in the name of” WUT.

The complaint alleges that in 2018 and 2019, Lieber lied about his involvement in the Thousand Talents Plan and affiliation with WUT. On or about, April 24, 2018, during an interview with investigators, Lieber stated that he was never asked to participate in the Thousand Talents Program, but he “wasn’t sure” how China categorized him. In November 2018, NIH inquired of Harvard whether Lieber had failed to disclose his then-suspected relationship with WUT and China’s Thousand Talents Plan. Lieber caused Harvard to falsely tell NIH that Lieber “had no formal association with WUT” after 2012, that “WUT continued to falsely exaggerate” his involvement with WUT in subsequent years, and that Lieber “is not and has never been a participant in” China’s Thousand Talents Plan.

Yanqing Ye

According to the indictment, Ye is a Lieutenant of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), the armed forces of the People’s Republic of China and member of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). On her J-1 visa application, Ye falsely identified herself as a “student” and lied about her ongoing military service at the National University of Defense Technology (NUDT), a top military academy directed by the CCP. It is further alleged that while studying at Boston University’s (BU) Department of Physics, Chemistry and Biomedical Engineering from October 2017 to April 2019, Ye continued to work as a PLA Lieutenant completing numerous assignments from PLA officers such as conducting research, assessing U.S. military websites and sending U.S. documents and information to China.

According to court documents, on April 20, 2019, federal officers interviewed Ye at Boston’s Logan International Airport. During the interview, it is alleged that Ye falsely claimed that she had minimal contact with two NUDT professors who were high-ranking PLA officers. However, a search of Ye’s electronic devices demonstrated that at the direction of one NUDT professor, who was a PLA Colonel, Ye had accessed U.S. military websites, researched U.S. military projects and compiled information for the PLA on two U.S. scientists with expertise in robotics and computer science. Furthermore, a review of a WeChat conversation revealed that Ye and the other PLA official from NUDT were collaborating on a research paper about a risk assessment model designed to decipher data for military applications. During the interview, Ye admitted that she held the rank of Lieutenant in the PLA and admitted she was a member of the CCP.

Zaosong Zheng

In August 2018, Zheng entered the United States on a J-1 visa and conducted cancer-cell research at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston from Sept. 4, 2018, to Dec. 9, 2019. It is alleged that on Dec. 9, 2019, Zheng stole 21 vials of biological research and attempted to smuggle them out of the United States aboard a flight destined for China. Federal officers at Logan Airport discovered the vials hidden in a sock inside one of Zheng’s bags, and not properly packaged. It is alleged that initially, Zheng lied to officers about the contents of his luggage, but later admitted he had stolen the vials from a lab at Beth Israel. Zheng stated that he intended to bring the vials to China to use them to conduct research in his own laboratory and publish the results under his own name.

The charge of making false, fictitious and fraudulent statements provides for a sentence of up to five years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of visa fraud provides for a sentence of up to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of acting as an agent of a foreign government provides for a sentence of up to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of conspiracy provides for a sentence of up to five years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. The charge of smuggling goods from the United States provides for a sentence of up to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. Sentences are imposed by a federal district court judge based upon the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers, United States Attorney Andrew E. Lelling; Special Agent in Charge of the FBI Boston Field Division Joseph R. Bonavolonta; Michael Denning, Director of Field Operations, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Boston Field Office; Leigh-Alistair Barzey, Special Agent in Charge of the Defense Criminal Investigative Service, Northeast Field Office; Philip Coyne, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General; and William Higgins, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Department of Commerce, Office of Export Enforcement, Boston Field Office made the announcement. Assistant U.S. Attorneys B. Stephanie Siegmann, Jason Casey and Benjamin Tolkoff of Lelling’s National Security Unit are prosecuting these cases with the assistance of trial attorneys William Mackie and David Aaron at the National Security Division’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section.

The details contained in the charging documents are allegations. The defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

These case are part of the Department of Justice’s China Initiative, which reflects the strategic priority of countering Chinese national security threats and reinforces the President’s overall national security strategy. In addition to identifying and prosecuting those engaged in trade secret theft, hacking and economic espionage, the initiative will increase efforts to protect our critical infrastructure against external threats including foreign direct investment, supply chain threats and the foreign agents seeking to influence the American public and policymakers without proper registration.


sorry for stealing your post O oagboghi2
What's the relevance of this to the outbreak?
 

Skyfox

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What's the relevance of this to the outbreak?

We are just civilians. We are missing huge chunks of context.

The timeframe, location and area of expertise of this case may just be coincidental.

But maybe it is relevant so we share because we are trying to sort information on this topic.

Im not enjoying this process though.

Edit: On this note, I have decided to donate money to a news site who I feel have put their lives on the line to tackle the accurate reporting it's becoming obvious that we need.
 
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