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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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Smiles and Cries said:
3 members of the Philadelphia 76ers organization test positive for coronavirus

The Philadelphia 76ers announced Thursday that three members of its organization have tested positive for COVID-19.

"Pursuant to CDC guidelines, the individuals are in self-isolation and will be monitored closely by medical professionals. The health of our players, staff, fans and community is paramount, and we continue to be guided by medical experts at this time."
The organization did not identify the three members.


New York City expected to run out of medical supplies in 2 to 3 weeks

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said the city is two to three weeks away from running out of medical supplies.

According to De Blasio, the city needs these items:

  • 3 million N95 masks
  • 50 million surgical masks
  • 15,000 ventilators
  • 25 million each of personal protective equipment, surgical gowns, coveralls, gloves and face masks

California governor projects "56% of state's population will be infected" in the next 8 weeks
From CNN's Cheri Mossburg

California Gov. Gavin Newsom described in letter to President Trump on Thursday the impact coronavirus will have on the state and its residents.

“We project that roughly 56% of our state’s population – 25.5 million people – will be infected with the virus over an eight-week period,” he said.
He asked that the US Navy’s Mercy Hospital Ship be stationed at the port of Los Angeles. Defense officials tell CNN the ship will head to the Seattle area in the next five to 10 days. The final destination could always change depending on civilian needs, an official cautioned.

Newsom said the hospital ship “will help decompress the health care system to allow the Los Angeles region to ensure that it has the ability to address critical acute care needs.”

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news...0-intl-hnk/h_34020a8fb87338d1ab6ba65df3a94a95

The G7 will no longer be at Camp David. It will now be a video conference.
President Trump has made the G7 a video teleconference and canceled the Camp David venue, according to White House deputy press secretary Judd Deere.
“In order for each country to focus all of its resources on responding to the health and economic challenges of COVID-19 and at President Trump’s direction, National Economic Council Director and U.S. Sherpa for the 2020 G7 Larry Kudlow has informed his Sherpa colleagues that the G7 Leaders’ Summit the U.S. was set to host in June at Camp David will now be done by video-teleconference."
Deere continued: "The White House also informed the other G7 members that in order to continue close coordination, the President will convene the Leaders’ via video teleconference in April and May just as he did this week.”
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good luck. But, so do other places as well
 
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Well this story has certainly gone places.

We listed our house today, had one person visit, got a full list offer.. Waiting for everything to be hammered out tomorrow. Very hopeful we don't have to bother trying to make an open house work.

We we're planning on moving to Tennesee perhaps, but now we might sit back and wait to see what areas of the US fare best (and what are left).
 
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TheSadRanger

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Captain Zyrain said:
Well this story has certainly gone places.

We listed our house today, had one person visit, got a full list offer.. Waiting for everything to be hammered out tomorrow. Very hopeful we don't have to bother trying to make an open house work.

We we're planning on moving to Tennesee perhaps, but now we might sit back and wait to see what areas of the US fare best (and what are left).
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You sure about this? At the rate things are going what if state borders are closed down soon?
 
Cybrwzrd

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Captain Zyrain said:
Well this story has certainly gone places.

We listed our house today, had one person visit, got a full list offer.. Waiting for everything to be hammered out tomorrow. Very hopeful we don't have to bother trying to make an open house work.

We we're planning on moving to Tennesee perhaps, but now we might sit back and wait to see what areas of the US fare best (and what are left).
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Knoxville is awesome. If you move nearby let me know.
 
rykomatsu

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Captain Zyrain said:
Well this story has certainly gone places.

We listed our house today, had one person visit, got a full list offer.. Waiting for everything to be hammered out tomorrow. Very hopeful we don't have to bother trying to make an open house work.

We we're planning on moving to Tennesee perhaps, but now we might sit back and wait to see what areas of the US fare best (and what are left).
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Sounds like when I left California, haha...
 
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TheSadRanger

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What's concerning is the closed cases on the CDC website for the U.S. Out of 342 closed cases 217 led to death with a 63% mortality rate.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

So are people who recovered with mild symptoms counted in that? It says there's 14k in active with mostly showing mild symptoms but only 64 are critical. The data of those in critical condition for those who are active doesn't match the closed case data.

Is thing way more deadly then what we're being led to believe? What's going on here? Or is the U.S data simply insufficient at this point?
 
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TheSadRanger said:
What's concerning is the closed cases on the CDC website for the U.S. Out of 342 closed cases 217 led to death with a 63% mortality rate.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

So are people who recovered with mild symptoms counted in that? It says there's 14k in active with mostly showing mild symptoms but only 64 are critical. The data of those in critical condition for those who are active doesn't match the closed case data.

Is thing way more deadly then what we're being led to believe? What's going on here? Or is the U.S data simply insufficient at this point?
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i think closed means people that have two consecutive negative tests or those that expire
majority of people are still in the window of those fighting the disease
 
JordanN

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Remember how I posted that picture of Trudeau live streaming from his home?

Well, here's what it looks like on Japan's end.

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deafmedal

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TheSadRanger said:
You sure about this? At the rate things are going what if state borders are closed down soon?
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This is currently my biggest concern. I am in the DC area, my family is in TX. My project is still ongoing and the company has stated that field personnel are to continue remote work as needed while everyone else is working from home. Also, the company has recommended limiting domestic travel (foreign is fairly restricted) and as a result along with the obvious other reasons I have elected to abstain from traveling home for breaks- something I generally do every couple of weeks.

I asked my manager how best to move forward when the work from home directive was issued and he basically said I need to stay here as I’ve been assigned to this project. I don’t want to rock the boat too much so I’m sticking with it for now but first whiff of nationwide lockdown or civil unrest I’m bouncing. My biggest fear is getting stuck here AND laid off- unlikely but possible. How the fuck would that work?!
 
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TheSadRanger said:
What's concerning is the closed cases on the CDC website for the U.S. Out of 342 closed cases 217 led to death with a 63% mortality rate.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

So are people who recovered with mild symptoms counted in that? It says there's 14k in active with mostly showing mild symptoms but only 64 are critical. The data of those in critical condition for those who are active doesn't match the closed case data.

Is thing way more deadly then what we're being led to believe? What's going on here? Or is the U.S data simply insufficient at this point?
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People had the same worry when the chinese numbers first came out (go read this thread two weeks ago), and this line of thinking never bore out. Its stupid to look at the data that way and misses basic epidemiological principles The fact is, it takes longer to clear a mild form of the disease than to die from a severe form and that most of the cases are relatively recent so won't have resolved yet either way.

We probably won't know the real mortality rate of this for a few years, but most of the educated guesses I've seen so far are around 0.7%.
 
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hariseldon said:
Those people can work in hazardous environments among the sick where the rest of us can’t. Identifying them is useful for that reason.
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Unless healthcare workers plan on going back to school and completely changing careers, they're all going to work in those environments regardless.
 
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Miku Miku said:
Unless healthcare workers plan on going back to school and completely changing careers, they're all going to work in those environments regardless.
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Healthcare workers can be prioritised so if there’s a shortage of masks you give them to those not yet immune etc plus you can have other immune people doing the simpler jobs that require less training etc.
 
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www.nbcboston.com

Ex-Biogen Employee Who Hid Coronavirus Symptoms to Fly to China Faces Criminal Charges

A Biogen employee who allegedly flew from Massachusetts to Los Angeles to China and then tested positive for COVID-19 is under investigation in China for concealing her symptoms and putting fellow travelers at risk of infections, the Los Angeles Times reports. According to the L.A. Times, Jie...
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Huh. First thing i thought of was this guy from 12 monkeys


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autoduelist

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Cunth said:
I’m starting to believe it’s actually worse than they are telling us. It’s a super flu, bro
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I figure we're either overreacting due to general panic and fear of not doing enough [chain reaction - once one governor shuts it down you don't want to not do so and have an outbreak], or it's worse and they are trying to mitigate.

But i've thought that since this was centered on Wuhan. I thought we'd know more once it hit western countries but even now we get conflicting data daily.

Take it seriously and be safe, hope for the best. Haven't seen people quite this freaked out since 911 when i was living in NYC, and we had all those followup scares [anthrax, etc].
 
The Scrivener

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Cunth said:
I’m starting to believe it’s actually worse than they are telling us. It’s a super flu, bro
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It's like a console gen every seven years, but instead a virus gen every seven days. We into the 16 bit Super Virus with Mode-7 now.

On that note, I'm out. This fucking media scare is stupid. I'm gonna switch off for a week from GAF. Look out the window instead like Bill Hicks said.
 
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cryptoadam said:
www.reuters.com

UK in talks to buy 'game changer' coronavirus antibody test

Britain is in talks to buy a coronavirus antibody test that could be a game changer if it works and already scientists are making progress in finding medicines that can fight the disease, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Thursday.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

Hopefully this can allow people to be identified as immune.
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It's not like measles that you get once and develop immunity for the rest of your life (in most cases), there is only short term immunity to coronaviruses, meaning you can get it again and again.
The only true immunity can come from a DNA vaccine, but till today those are only approved for use in animals (People panic when they think of injecting parts of virus DNA into themselves, even if it's only a tiny gene that creates the harmless protein marker of a virus)
So even if they create a normal vaccine, it will need booster shots every [x] years.
 
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I fear with the antibody test they will make it mandatory and shove the people that have antibodies back into the system to keep the economy running. Without knowing about the possibility of a reinfection etc.
 
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jufonuk said:
I’m starting to worry that because this thing can go on for so long people lose jobs etc.
How can people afford to eat ?
They need to ration.
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Grow your own food. Where there is mind there is a way, only eat bread and drink water? Everything to stay alive ...

But people have gotten to materialistic, giving up is hard. None Alive have been in a world war ...
 
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Doc Honk said:
It's like a console gen every seven years, but instead a virus gen every seven days. We into the 16 bit Super Virus with Mode-7 now.

On that note, I'm out. This fucking media scare is stupid. I'm gonna switch off for a week from GAF. Look out the window instead like Bill Hicks said.
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Good choice. Look after your mental health. I think I may have to check in less because I'm getting horrific headaches at the moment that just won't go away and I have to conclude stress is a factor.
 
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Britain will have to get more self-sufficient

Watching the first few minutes of Dragons’ Den on BBC2 this week was akin to catching a glimpse inside a time capsule, or like flicking through a book and finding a racy postcard sent by a friend on holiday in Spain years ago. The programme now looks so ridiculous that it might as well have been fi
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Britain will have to get more self-sufficient

Britain will have to get more self-sufficient

Key workers will keep vital services running during this crisis but we’ll need a proper resilience plan for the next one

Watching the first few minutes of Dragons’ Den on BBC2 this week was akin to catching a glimpse inside a time capsule, or like flicking through a book and finding a racy postcard sent by a friend on holiday in Spain years ago. The programme now looks so ridiculous that it might as well have been filmed in another epoch, which of course it was — that is, just a few months ago.

In Dragons’ Den, you’ll recall, five “titans” of business sit in judgment on would-be entrepreneurs and conduct a cattle market-style auction if they feel like scattering any of their endless wealth as investment.

The fashion tycoon Touker Suleyman grinned as he told one contestant: “I think you undervalue what I can bring to the party”. Really? If, Touker, you can bring expertise in making ventilators for our hospitals, or in finding a quicker test for detecting the coronavirus, then please do join the party. Short of that, it’s a “no” from us.

I’m being slightly unfair on the Dragons, of course. Everyone had preoccupations a few weeks ago that now seem self-indulgent. Shallow television reality shows magnify the effect, with their melodramatic music and manipulative tropes.
Many wealthy figures from business are already using their resources to aid philanthropic work in this crisis. Anyone who understands retail supply chains or communications, including several of the Dragons, can make themselves useful in what is to come.

But I mention the gulf between Dragons’ Den, filmed in the old world, and contemporary reality because it is a pointer to the way in which our society, the structure of our economy and our attitudes to wealth and the value of labour are about to be transformed.

Put bluntly, this crisis turns our society upside down. The nation’s key workers, alongside NHS staff, are those who keep supermarkets open, restock warehouses, manage the food and pharmaceuticals supply chain, and remove household waste. They are social workers and care staff tending the vulnerable. They are the armed forces and police. Add to that list those who maintain the supply of water, energy and broadband. Among them are many Britons who are low paid, and some who exist on zero-hours contracts, a disdainful name and status that will have to be substantially upgraded.

In contrast, a great many hitherto highly paid and supposedly glamorous people are, frankly, now of little economic utility, certainly this year.

Already the nation’s key workers are doing a heroic job and keeping the national show on the road. The hysteria about supermarkets might be understandable but it is misplaced. There are supplies and, with sensible controls introduced by some retailers on the maximum numbers of items allowed per customer, there is enough to go around. Shelves are being restocked.

True, some items the middle class now consider staples will become luxuries for a while. There won’t be many avocados flown in. But the sacrifice involved is hardly like landing on Gold beach on D-Day.

This is the short-term effort, which is being adapted at speed by supermarket managers and ministers as they learn. In the next phase the ad hoc measures will have to evolve into a national effort to develop a resilience plan capable of coping with a virus that may fade then reappear several times in subsequent years. That will require a rethink about state capacity and how it can best co-ordinate with the private sector and volunteers.

After decades of arguments about the NHS, there is scope for a new way of thinking, on top of billions more in spending. To cope, we may need the equivalent of a territorial army for the NHS, a part-time trained body of staff that can scale up and join the expanded full-time staff if the virus comes back, or if another deadly virus appears.

Doctors and scientists will have to work out how much new intensive care unit capacity is needed to cope with surges. And the government will depend on the huge effort of our leading scientists, collaborating with colleagues around the world, as they experiment with combinations of existing drugs and develop new tests and cures.

Then there is policing, where more officers are required and perhaps more special constables to help at peak times. A volunteer programme to help the vulnerable during these emergencies will have to be established, although already churches and charities are stepping up unprompted.

Our attitude to food supply in the long term is likely to change, to ensure more is produced and warehoused closer to home. Tim Leunig, the Treasury adviser who wrote in an email a few weeks ago that agriculture is not a significant British industry, might have to rethink.

We’ll import a lot again once this phase is over, of course. Global trade will resume and free enterprise will power us out of a depression but resilience will be deemed key and we will have to rebalance. Perhaps more intensive, industrial agriculture — Dutch-style and high tech — will be the way to go. We’ll certainly need more domestic pharmaceutical production.

We will not be self-sufficient but we and other western countries will, of necessity, develop the capacity to become a lot more self-sufficient and less dependent on Chinese imports, once we get through the trauma of the next few weeks.

In essence, every politician for many years will have to answer this question: what if this virus or something like it comes back? They will need a clear answer and a proper plan.
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TheSadRanger

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Dr.Guru of Peru said:
People had the same worry when the chinese numbers first came out (go read this thread two weeks ago), and this line of thinking never bore out. Its stupid to look at the data that way and misses basic epidemiological principles The fact is, it takes longer to clear a mild form of the disease than to die from a severe form and that most of the cases are relatively recent so won't have resolved yet either way.

We probably won't know the real mortality rate of this for a few years, but most of the educated guesses I've seen so far are around 0.7%.
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I don't believe that, this is far deadlier then what is being let on and the CDC numbers in the U.S reflect that thus far.
 
TheSadRanger

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Fuck James woods. They already tested the origins and it wasn’t a bio weapon. This man is dangerous just like Geraldo reveira or whatever his name is said you can test for the Coronavirus by seeing if you can hold your breath for 10 seconds.
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While I don't agree with his approach, the way it attacks your lungs and the wildly difference in effects among people makes it look like a bio weapon.

A common cold which is part of the coronavirus family doesn't go from 0-60 after you've had a sniffle and kills you within 24 hours making you cough up blood unable to breath.
 
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