In the US they're building MASH hospitals with ICU beds and converting things like colleges and hotels into hospitals so they don't turn away the old people to die. The reason why Italy is seeing a spike in deaths is because they're telling anyone over the age of 60 to go home and die.
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In the US they're building MASH hospitals with ICU beds and converting things like colleges and hotels into hospitals so they don't turn away the old people to die. The reason why Italy is seeing a spike in deaths is because they're telling anyone over the age of 60 to go home and die.
ricardo_sousa11
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Ignorant commentary.
Most insurances wont cover pandemics, so please explain how the majority of people will be able to pay 30k$+ for a treatment.
E-Cat
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Some countries with "socialized medicine" are doing that, too. So it has nothing to do with that. Also, since a MASH hospital is set up by the US Army, hence the government, isn't that by definition socialism?
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Jtibh
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This will so well.
Hubei residents swarm trains as coronavirus lockdown is LIFTED at last (PHOTOS, VIDEOS) https://www.rt.com/news/484048-hubei-residents-free-from-lockdown/
Hubei residents swarm trains as coronavirus lockdown is LIFTED at last (PHOTOS, VIDEOS) https://www.rt.com/news/484048-hubei-residents-free-from-lockdown/
Cybrwzrd
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I haven't seen any details about that. You have a link?
Rbk_3
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I am thankful our government is actually a functioning entity that gets shit done. This past couple weeks has really opened my eyes to how lucky we are when you compare and contrast to other governments right now. Say what you want about Trudeau, but I'm pleased overall with our leadership through this.
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Phunkydiabetic
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Haha congratulations, this has to be the most retarded comment in this thread.
M1chl
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Meh tell me more, it's maybe that people in Italy are really sociable and has shitton of cases and UK tried that "herd immunity", nothing suggest that socialised helathcare are at fault. besides you know how many people USA has per square kilometer? 36. Italy? 201. UK? 274. So yeah, they probably has something to do with how much hospitals can take from the surroundings. If something would happened in the mid-west of USA, those people would overrun hospitals in there.
Oh and yes without socialised helath-care I would not be here.
Nester99
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I was until he tried to sneak bullshit into the aid package. Very weak move many will remember. I am not a fan of JT prior to this, but he earned a lot of goodwill in the last two weeks. That's gone now.
Still way better then trump!
chitzy
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Nah. This virus's kryptonite is well disciplined Asian cultures that heed their government's orders.
The west, on the other hand...
Phunkydiabetic
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As much as I have disliked Trudeau's decisions in the past I can't help but agree. I also have to say the same about Doug Ford to be honest, and I dislike him even more than Trudeau.
Rbk_3
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What was the billshit? I missed this.
He hasn't been terrible either but II think the lock down is kind of a joke. They have way too many things that are deemed "essential". Like 90% of people seem to be still working.
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Israeli doctor in Italy: No. of patients rises but we get to everyone
Dr. Gai Peleg told Israeli television that in northern Italy, patients over 60 tend to receive less treatment with anesthesia and artificial respiratory machines.
www.jpost.com
Nester99
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Unlimited spending power without parliament approval until Dec 2021.
Free way to make a minority a majority for 21 months.
NDP and cons said no deal. Looks like they took it out and passed the aid.
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M1chl
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Sure and that's in north of Italy, so you can travel (probably) and what does that actually say about socialised healthcare ? italy is not exactly strong economy.Israeli doctor in Italy: No. of patients rises but we get to everyone
Dr. Gai Peleg told Israeli television that in northern Italy, patients over 60 tend to receive less treatment with anesthesia and artificial respiratory machines.
TriSuit666
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In the US they don't tell people over the age of 60 to go home and die.
TriSuit666
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You idiot. It's literally because of the pathology of the disease, leads ICU to be able to do very little to save them.
All Hail C-Webb
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Israeli doctor in Italy: No. of patients rises but we get to everyone
Dr. Gai Peleg told Israeli television that in northern Italy, patients over 60 tend to receive less treatment with anesthesia and artificial respiratory machines.
We're going to reach that point and worse.
It won't just be those over 60, it's going to be younger people who aren't insured, and then those who are under-insured. Then Insurance will stop covering it all together, and we will only care for those who can pay the full cost out of pocket.
That's where we're headed if we don't flatten the curve significantly.
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M1chl
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Yeah well that's on Italy, you really cannot blame socialised healthcare. Try to pull USA lifestyle in Italy, people would go riot, they even have month of work holidays in summer.
Here is our stats, with socialised healthcare and less idiots:
Tested : Infected : Recovered : Dead
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They will instead tell people who can't pay to go home and die.
Once capacity is exceeded doctors will be making choices as to who gets access to limited resources. In the EU that is based on chances of it saving a person's life. In the USA it will be based on the who has the biggest chequebook.
DunDunDunpachi
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lol you're officially old now, doggo. I worked at a grocery store as a teen and elderly customers would say things like "good year, good year" when I told them their price in the $19.xx range.
Phunkydiabetic
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I get the feeling they are playing it safe for now, if no improvements in cases occur at the end of these two weeks I expect more stringent lockdowns.
Nester99
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#Phonepunk#
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Bout to go walk to the grocery store for some booze and pizza. Wearing gloves and a scarf and all that. Hope I don't die
DeepEnigma
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lol you're officially old now, doggo. I worked at a grocery store as a teen and elderly customers would say things like "good year, good year" when I told them their price in the $19.xx range.
Oh I remember.
Phunkydiabetic
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The Netherlands 80 dead , over 800 new infections! 1 April are all our icus full ! Says head of icus, nothing to worry ! We have 1600, just yank the plug and you have 1600 empty ones
1600 icu , I cannot explain how we have only 1600 ..
Let me take a wild guess, socialized medicine? Don't answer, I can already tell you live in a socialized hellscape of a country. You guys should have followed the U.S. style of debt based healthcare and privatized insurance. Sure, you pay thousands of dollars for simple procedures like getting a cast put on a broken arm but when a giant pandemic hits you will have the benefit of MASH hospitals and infinite ICU beds!
It truly is the only way to go.
*eagle screams in the distance*
E-Cat
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Not yet.
Liberty4all
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Conservatives balk at 'power grab,' emergency COVID-19 aid package bogs down
Hopes that Parliament could speedily approve emergency legislation freeing up billions in aid to help Canadians weather the COVID-19 pandemic were dashed Tuesday over Conservative objections to what they dubbed a Liberal “power grab.” An emergency sitting of the House of Commons was suspended...
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Why I am in the House today : Scott Reid M.P.
Scott Reid is the Member of Parliament for Lanark-Frontenac-Kingston and is currently the Deputy House Leader of the Official Opposition and Shadow Cabinet critic for Democratic Institutions.
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Passing of emergency aid bill stalled as Opposition pushes for changes
A day that promised to bring direct financial aid for Canadians and businesses to assist with the current COVID-19 pressures devolved into procedural complaints and opposition resistance to the government's legislation to pass the relief package, as critics cited concerns over the broad powers...
www.ctvnews.ca
Trudeau is scum.
He tried to take advantage of this situation to make him and his cabinet dictators until 2022. The provisions stuck in would have given the right to make all budgetary decisions with no House oversight until end of 2021.
Would be like Trump sticking in a provision that allows executive to pass budget items without OT having to be approved by the House or Senate.
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Captain Zyrain
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Italy update:
This is hopefully good news for predicting the total for Italy overall. Today may be much lower than prior days, provided other regions in Italy aren't still on the upswing. Will need to see what new cases are like though, as deaths are not always linear.
This is hopefully good news for predicting the total for Italy overall. Today may be much lower than prior days, provided other regions in Italy aren't still on the upswing. Will need to see what new cases are like though, as deaths are not always linear.
Rbk_3
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Conservatives balk at 'power grab,' emergency COVID-19 aid package bogs down
Hopes that Parliament could speedily approve emergency legislation freeing up billions in aid to help Canadians weather the COVID-19 pandemic were dashed Tuesday over Conservative objections to what they dubbed a Liberal “power grab.” An emergency sitting of the House of Commons was suspended...
Why I am in the House today : Scott Reid M.P.
Scott Reid is the Member of Parliament for Lanark-Frontenac-Kingston and is currently the Deputy House Leader of the Official Opposition and Shadow Cabinet critic for Democratic Institutions.
Passing of emergency aid bill stalled as Opposition pushes for changes
A day that promised to bring direct financial aid for Canadians and businesses to assist with the current COVID-19 pressures devolved into procedural complaints and opposition resistance to the government's legislation to pass the relief package, as critics cited concerns over the broad powers...
Trudeau is scum.
He tried to take advantage of this situation to make him and his cabinet dictators until 2022. The provisions stuck in would have given the right to make all budgetary decisions with no House oversight until end of 2021.
Would be like Trump sticking in a provision that allows executive to pass budget items without OT having to be approved by the House or Senate.
Meh, they revised it and got the Bill passed 12 hours later. I expect the CPC would have tried to do something similar.
Captain Zyrain
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Spain passes Chiner
Captain Zyrain
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NY still spiraling
cryptoadam
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More of a chance of Trump facing reparations for this than China.
Even suggesting China did something wrong makes you a racist whyte supremacist bigot transphobe.
Liberty4all
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I am happy it got passed but puzzled why in the world they would poison the bipartisan well of political goodwill that had been building up. Just a reminder of the mindset of Dear Leader Trudeau.
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cryptoadam
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What??
China destroyed samples and silenced scientist. Forcing them to say they were spreading false rumors.
China handled this horribly. Just because they reacted late and draconian their propaganda makes it seem like the reacted like a champ. China is the reason we are in this situation since they couldn't contain the virus in Wuhan and let it get out. 5 million people left Wuhan before the lockdown without any screening.
While cases were building up in China in January, CCP was lying to its people not telling them about COVID, even holding gatherings of 10K people for their "pot luck", and allowing 100's of millions of people to travel across the country.
China handled this horribly and is why we are here. If China acted quicker they could of stopped 95% of COVID 19
China's 3-week delay in coronavirus response accelerated spread: study
Coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95 percent had China responded to the outbreak just three weeks earlier.
www.foxbusiness.com
CCP propaganda got you to make you think they handled this like a champ. Not to mention their lockdowns were brutal and draconian, way more than probably any other country.
cryptoadam
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Because if it doesn't work it turns us all into Zombies. So do you really want to go from Corona to Walking Dead?
Elektro Demon
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We already are zombies. This isolation is pure torture.
I even begun questioning why the hell I even work anymore if I can't spend that money on anything else then food and survival supplies.
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hariseldon
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People are still packing London's Tube trains (photo from this morning):
Workers cram on to London's packed Tube trains AGAIN
London's Tube network is packed again today as the Mayor of London was accused of 'risking lives' after slashing number of trains at a time of national emergency .www.dailymail.co.uk
Wouldn't be surprised if London ends up going in the same direction as the worst affected areas in Italy and Spain.
Just build a fucking wall around London and let them get on with it.
Skyr
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How do you explaine germany having a lower cases to death statistic than the US?
Captain Zyrain
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NY:
Actually a slowdown, hopefully it keeps up.
Actually a slowdown, hopefully it keeps up.
GHG
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The level of ignorance and arrogance is staggering.
Also the managers/directors who still insist on their employees going in to work in person everyday have blood on their hands. If you don't trust your employees to work from home then don't employ them. It's 2020 FFS, get with the times.
Synless
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Two days of slowdown too I believe. That is a good sign.
cryptoadam
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So I wonder because this has been one of the worst flu season in years if thats making the problem even worse.
Lots of underlying flu cases for the virus to make worse.
I also read that 180K people were hopsitlized for the flu, thats like 25-30K a month. Probably taking up a lot of beds.
CDC says this has been one of the worst flu seasons in years.
Also how the hell did MERS stay in Saudi and basically infecft something like 2500 people ? Its a coronavirus as well, but yet it didn't become a global pandemic.
Lots of underlying flu cases for the virus to make worse.
I also read that 180K people were hopsitlized for the flu, thats like 25-30K a month. Probably taking up a lot of beds.
CDC says this has been one of the worst flu seasons in years.
Also how the hell did MERS stay in Saudi and basically infecft something like 2500 people ? Its a coronavirus as well, but yet it didn't become a global pandemic.
llien
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Amazing stuff:
I blame clown city mayor who reduced number of trains.
I think most of them barely have any other options.
I blame clown city mayor who reduced number of trains.
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