Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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oh yeah dis about to go down in 5 minutes
Fuck China News!
Fuck China News!
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DragoonKain
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What's with the news of people getting blood clots and their skin changing color lately?
Just what in the hell is up with this virus?
Just what in the hell is up with this virus?
JordanN
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Before my last day of work, I got a ride home from a coworker.JordanN one of my colleagues was tested because he was exposed to someone infected and he tested positive. his only symptom was headache.
Just a speculation, but unless they're still waiting for his test results, I imagine they would have contacted me already and confirm if he was positive.
But again, the tricky thing about this virus is that it's known to have the longest incubation time. So either I was already infected but recovered, or it's about to resurface.
But as of right now, I don't feel anymore symptoms so I'm holding out hope that maybe I did recover in time.
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Longcat
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That fucking Vice article. I literally laughed out loud when I read the headline. The terms neo-nazi and alt/far-right don't have any meaning at all anymore. All journalists should be required to read The Boy Who Cried Wolf at least twice, every year. And this is coming from a leftist swede.
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Come On Tars
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Imagine if Bill Gates turns out to be a super villain on a 007 movie scale. All the suspicions of him being a eugenics nut... I just don't see something that crazy happening. It's just too much
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cryptoadam
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Look to the poo.
m.jpost.com
Could the country crack the coronavirus crisis by studying our s**t?
Israel has been struggling to increase the number of people screened for COVID-19 since the virus arrived in the country in February.
m.jpost.com
Captain Zyrain
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Also, 'member this guy?
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autoduelist
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It's a contagious disease. Of course locking people away from each other 'works' to limit spread. Shooting everybody that tests positive and burning their corpse would also limit spread, if limiting spread is your only priority.
It is not my only priority. I also want to retain my rights. And more importantly, I do not believe 100% spread reduction is actually best case scenario. I would argue you want limited, controlled spread across a population. Deal with hot spots as they arise, sure, to prevent hospital overload, but otherwise allow people to proceed with life and social distancing.
New Zealand will open up at some point, and nobody will be immune. A similar state which has controlled spread will have some amount of immune populace and likely reduce the strain of wave 2.
And the reason your comparison to Colorado is hilarious is because of said point. Yes, NZ can close it airports and ports and close up. What the hell is Colorado going to do? Have State Troopers on every highway in with orders to shoot to kill? Ridiculous. If NZ didn't have lower numbers than any inland state it would be a sign of catastrophic failure on NZ's part... but Colorado having more deaths than NZ is not a sign of failure, but of common sense.
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Hey January gang! You all save ?
Here in the Netherlands we are kept in lock down , primary schools are opening in 2 weeks , with half classes or a day school, free , a day school. That's it.
No barbers or beauty salons or coffee shops, or other entertainment, no large events , 20 may they'll look if something else can be opened up. festivals are cancelled until September 1st.
Here in the Netherlands we are kept in lock down , primary schools are opening in 2 weeks , with half classes or a day school, free , a day school. That's it.
No barbers or beauty salons or coffee shops, or other entertainment, no large events , 20 may they'll look if something else can be opened up. festivals are cancelled until September 1st.
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DragoonKain
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Now we need to bend it. Ideally it would look like a penis, but we're miles past that.Perhaps some good news?
The global curve is flattening.
#BendTheCurve
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Kagey K
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Things are looking good where I'm at. Cases are still climbing but hospitalizations and deaths are holding still.
Reopening stuff before it's ready is going to undo everything people suffered for.
The last month has been pointless if we are just going to go back to normal before it's done.
Either you ride it out or you don't get on the ride in the first place. Some people are going to learn the hard way really quickly.
Reopening stuff before it's ready is going to undo everything people suffered for.
The last month has been pointless if we are just going to go back to normal before it's done.
Either you ride it out or you don't get on the ride in the first place. Some people are going to learn the hard way really quickly.
Djau
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With this virus, you don't want any spread. One person getting it is going to be able to spread to a lot of people and with how mutagenic it is, its just a matter of time until it progresses to a lethal at all ages stage.
With regards to lockdowns; no matter if we open now or when its correct to do so...we either way must get used to the new paradigm of wearing PPE outside at all times until a vaccine is discovered within a year or two.
Chittagong
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With the recently surfacing information
- 30 different mutations already
- No proof of immunity
- Possible reinfections
- Vaccine unlikely due to first point
- Medications not helping
I am trying to imagine what the endgame will look like. Previously people had this mental image of vaccines rolling out in 2021 and people beating the virus, society returning to normal.
That scenario seems unlikely now. So what will the future of humanity look like, if the above is indeed true?
It would seem that the virus will keep ravaging through society permanently. People keep getting ill time and again and some of the patients will die each round. The average age and lifespan of humans will drop significantly. People will strive to escape cities to reduce their chances for reinfections. Enormous hospitals will become a permanent feature of the society. We all will know that eventually we all are bound to get the 'bad one' and die.
Traditional shops where people pick up things in the same space will disappear. New style of order collection shopping with zero contact will form and delivery will be main method for commerce.
Eventually society will be segregated by testing and gated communities will form -anyone entering the society will face a month long quarantine and testing. Impromptu travel will be a thing of the past.
Something like that?
- 30 different mutations already
- No proof of immunity
- Possible reinfections
- Vaccine unlikely due to first point
- Medications not helping
I am trying to imagine what the endgame will look like. Previously people had this mental image of vaccines rolling out in 2021 and people beating the virus, society returning to normal.
That scenario seems unlikely now. So what will the future of humanity look like, if the above is indeed true?
It would seem that the virus will keep ravaging through society permanently. People keep getting ill time and again and some of the patients will die each round. The average age and lifespan of humans will drop significantly. People will strive to escape cities to reduce their chances for reinfections. Enormous hospitals will become a permanent feature of the society. We all will know that eventually we all are bound to get the 'bad one' and die.
Traditional shops where people pick up things in the same space will disappear. New style of order collection shopping with zero contact will form and delivery will be main method for commerce.
Eventually society will be segregated by testing and gated communities will form -anyone entering the society will face a month long quarantine and testing. Impromptu travel will be a thing of the past.
Something like that?
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In that outcome: we'll get better at treating it over time, like how pronation and CPAP machines are being utilized instead of ventilators in some cases, and we'll find effective drug therapies. Vaccines targeting the worst strains, as with influenza, will take the edge off each season.
Djau
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The only way to keep society functioning will be much more stringent mandated medicals as well as databases of who has been vaccinated and who hasn't; with a requirement of having the vaccine to be able to work.
Transitioning to a work-to-home as the standard lifestyle will help for future epidemics that will be worse.
Transitioning to a work-to-home as the standard lifestyle will help for future epidemics that will be worse.
llien
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CNN commenter from academia mentioned that it doesn't mutate in the "influenza" sense, whatever that means.
So I guess the bits used to infect people do not change.
No proof of immunity though and not clear we'd get any vaccines, although it's not unlikely either.
Yup, but it could take years, is indeed starting to look like we entered a new world !
Hello world !!!
llien
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UK joins EU procurement scheme after some delay and contradicting statements by the government:
www.bbc.com
Coronavirus: Government facing fresh questions over EU equipment scheme
The UK had ample chance to join an EU scheme to source medical equipment, sources tell the BBC.
www.bbc.com
eot
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This shows what exactly? There's no label on the y-axis. I feel like I'm grading again...Perhaps some good news?
The global curve is flattening.
Strife In a Teacup
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Corporate America:
Not so for mine, they're already talking about going back in next month already. Corporations can't handle not having direct control, middle-managers can't act like they're worth their salary sitting at home in meetings all day doing fuck all.
ricardo_sousa11
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My place has started lifting restritions, keep in mind we have 70 active infections (about 20 new this week on a hotspot) and no deaths, we've been in a "somewhat" lockdown since march 8th I believe. You will be able to go out, but all workers need to use a mask, its still not mandatory for civilians to wear one, but it will be next week from all the rumours we read.
The US lifting their restrictions is going to destroy everything they've worked for this past month, today I woke up and 90% of the news I read in the morning were protests in the US for freedoms, its way too soon, you are beating the virus, dont go out now and think the gov is overreacting. The rich want you to go out and spend those 1200$, but you wont see them going out themselves, they will tell you its all ok but they will be safe.
On another note, im not sure if this was shared or not, but I remember chinese were being racist towards black people out of thin air? Well, it seems the corona virus can turn your skin darker, I wonder if this is another symptom that they were hiding.
www.dailymail.co.uk
The US lifting their restrictions is going to destroy everything they've worked for this past month, today I woke up and 90% of the news I read in the morning were protests in the US for freedoms, its way too soon, you are beating the virus, dont go out now and think the gov is overreacting. The rich want you to go out and spend those 1200$, but you wont see them going out themselves, they will tell you its all ok but they will be safe.
On another note, im not sure if this was shared or not, but I remember chinese were being racist towards black people out of thin air? Well, it seems the corona virus can turn your skin darker, I wonder if this is another symptom that they were hiding.
Chinese medics critically ill with COVID-19 wake up with darkened skin
Dr Yi Fan and Dr Hu Weifeng caught the novel coronavirus while treating patients at the Wuhan Central Hospital in January. Their abnormal skin colour is caused by hormonal imbalances.
Majukun
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the flu virus mutates every year because the chances of mutation grow together with how many people are infected, and millions and millions of people get the flu every year.
as of now corona is way more contained than the usual flu (otherwise it would be a massacre given the different death rates), so we don't know if it will mutate.
also, it's actually possible that the mutation can be benign, it's a good evolutionary trait for a virus to not kill it's own host..many theories said that it's like we got rid of the spanish flu, it just mutated in something less destructive
Stitch
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but how many were killed and eaten by spiders, crocodiles and koalas?
Djau
Banned
Didn't you guys suffer an apocalyptic fire exacerbated by an inept leader?
Cunth
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u must be thinking of austria
Leyasu
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A problem also lies with terminology used by the governments. They should have called it what it was, and then carried out a one and done..... Quarantine.
Quarantines have been used for centuries. They work, as long as you do what needs to be done. it is a painful thing to go through for everyone involved and the economy suffers, but a strict quarantine would have effectively eradicated COVID-19 if done correctly. Yes, it may mean losing some freedom for a few months, but it would have meant that we could have emerged in a better place. Instead of the continued paranoia which will linger.
No, Colorado or any other state in the US or anywhere doesn't need to have shoot to kill goons on every highway, just a message that for anyone changing state must accept a three week quarantine in a designated location. Exemptions for those transporting essential goods, and designated areas for those involved. There are things that could be done.
Just think of it as two men in solitary confinement.
One is fed.
One is starved.
The fed man lives.
The starved man dies.
Now change it for a virus.
The virus allowed to spread lives.
The virus starved of hosts dies.
I don't mean to be patronising either...
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diffusionx
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As I've been saying for weeks, the infection numbers the government and media are spouting is totally bogus, and in reality, many many more people have been infected with this thing than claimed. When you apply this to the death rate (which is being inflated), the actual mortality rate of COVID 19 is right in line with... yes, the flu. How long until people acknowledge reality on this?
abcnews.go.com
Los Angeles study suggests virus much more widespread
A new study estimates that 320,000 adults in Los Angeles County may have been infected with coronavirus
abcnews.go.com
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ricardo_sousa11
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As I've been saying for weeks, the infection numbers the government and media are spouting is totally bogus, and in reality, many many more people have been infected with this thing than claimed. When you apply this to the death rate (which is being inflated), the actual mortality rate of COVID 19 is right in line with... yes, the flu. How long until people acknowledge reality on this?
Los Angeles study suggests virus much more widespread
A new study estimates that 320,000 adults in Los Angeles County may have been infected with coronavirus
You're basically saying "the numbers are false, so lets use those false numbers to come up with a false statistic and end up with "itsjustaflubro"".
it is exacly like the flu
I really thought we were past this stage, but I guess not.
diffusionx
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Actually, the study in the article is closer to reality in how health researchers estimate the flu infection rate on an annual basis - because, as with COVID, most people who get sick do not get tested. These sorts of studies are necessary to establish reality about COVID, not social media and mass media driven hysteria.
It takes a little bit of mathematical training and some common sense to figure out the number of infected people are much higher than what they have said. And if that's the case, it stands to reason the mortality rate is much lower. But the media has gotten a lot of mileage out of trumpeting those rates and making it seem like we're all going to die from this.
And did you seriously post an anecdotal Facebook meme post in response? Come on man. Kids get really sick and die from the flu every year - it is rare (as it has been with COVID), and it is tragic, but it does happen. Here's an article from last year discussing it.
How do children die from the flu? Ohio girl's death raises concerns
41 children have died from flu-related causes this flu season, including a fourth-grader who died just one day after being diagnosed
www.cbsnews.com
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ricardo_sousa11
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You cant pick and chose what is real.
You cant say the confirmed cases are not real, but the deaths are. You are supposing that the infected numbers are much much larger, but the death rate is real and all deaths are tested, they are not.
I do agree that a big slice of people have had this probably last winter season, but saying this, I can guarantee a lot of people have died without being tested and so they just "died" of many other reasons.
I've been saying this for months now, the virus mortality =/= moratility rate, you can determine the virus mortality by studying its components and how it interacts with the human body, but you cannot determine the mortality rate, the variables are much much bigger, including different immunitary systems, access to health systems, higiene and so on, so at this point its pretty much irrelevant to know the mortality of the virus or the mortality rate.
What we can look at its the facts that we have, even if they are not completely true.
I posted a kid with it, even if the kid doesnt die, do you think the health system in 70% of the world will be able to treat those serious cases? Or should we just let people die until we kill more than the flu?
We are flattenning the curve, and one of the negative effects of that is people saying "see, not a lot of people have died, so we overreacted", which is a completely wrong analysis. Not a lot of people are dying because we are sacrificing pretty much everything, so you cant even begin to compare this to any other decease. Had we done nothing, we'd be in the millions by now, please dont say "itsjustaflubro".
One of my best friends is a doctor, she sees people with it on a regular basis, it is definetly not the flu.
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HarryKS
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You're the only one in this boat. The spread is already severely affected by lockdown measures. You're seeing mostly what you want to see.As I've been saying for weeks, the infection numbers the government and media are spouting is totally bogus, and in reality, many many more people have been infected with this thing than claimed. When you apply this to the death rate (which is being inflated), the actual mortality rate of COVID 19 is right in line with... yes, the flu. How long until people acknowledge reality on this?
Los Angeles study suggests virus much more widespread
A new study estimates that 320,000 adults in Los Angeles County may have been infected with coronavirus
Are the flu mortality rates based on speculated amount of people contaminated or based on the amount of deaths after reported cases?
diffusionx
Gold Member
The confirmed case number is obviously real, but it is being used out of context, in a dangerous way (for society).
The death rate is most likely far closer to the real number, because with a death you have a body. Unless COVID was on our shores in October or November, which has been speculated, but most researchers say it was more likely here in mid January or so.
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ricardo_sousa11
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This is literally your first line "As I've been saying for weeks, the infection numbers the government and media are spouting is totally bogus, and in reality, many many more people have been infected with this thing than claimed "
So what are you talking about?
You have a dead body, which on a death report can have everything, specially when you're not testing people for a new decease lol, specially when its a decease that kills your immune system, so pretty much anything can go on that report.
HellforLeather
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That is not how viruses work. They tend to mutate to be less lethal, not more. Flu, coronaviruses, and rhinoviruses (the last 2 responsible for the common cold) are such successful viruses in the human population because they don't kill a lot of people and the vast majority have mild or no symptoms.
Strains that severely effect people have lower R0s than strains that have mild symptoms. Thus, mild strains are more likely to spread and outcompete the more virulent strains.
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cosmic wizard
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Tesseract
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Nester99
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As I've been saying for weeks, the infection numbers the government and media are spouting is totally bogus, and in reality, many many more people have been infected with this thing than claimed. When you apply this to the death rate (which is being inflated), the actual mortality rate of COVID 19 is right in line with... yes, the flu. How long until people acknowledge reality on this?
Los Angeles study suggests virus much more widespread
A new study estimates that 320,000 adults in Los Angeles County may have been infected with coronavirus
So if the numbers are not true (which everyone has always acknowledged as "confirmed" cases not "all" cases")
What numbers did you use to calculate true mortality? More made up fake ones?
Unbelievable...
Bullet Club
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Phunkydiabetic
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So are we still it's just a flu bro'n it up in heeyuh or what.
Nester99
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Seems a bit dramatic and unreasonable.
Raven117
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It may look like measles.
Raven117
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Pump the breaks here amigo.
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