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dionysus said:
That is not how viruses work. They tend to mutate to be less lethal, not more. Flu, coronaviruses, and rhinoviruses (the last 2 responsible for the common cold) are such successful viruses in the human population because they don't kill a lot of people and the vast majority have mild or no symptoms.

Strains that severely effect people have lower R0s than strains that have mild symptoms. Thus, mild strains are more likely to spread and outcompete the more virulent strains.
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Where is this info coming from? From what i've read theres 3 mutations, China - Europe - US, and EU seems to be way more deadly than China (for what its worth) and NY seems to have the deadliest thus far.

Considering a very very high percentage of US residents do have underlying issues, comparing this to the flu is like saying eating bread and caviar is the same thing.
 


Is this about the "deadlier second wave" everyone is losing their shit over? CNN needs to be shut down, they're just a panic porn tabloid right now.
 
Phunkydiabetic said:
So are we still it's just a flu bro'n it up in heeyuh or what.
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With the higher infection numbers we are discovering, death rates say it is from an individual perspective across all demographics. It just spreads much more easily and the demographics it heavily targets are skewed more towards the elderly and unhealthy and less towards the young. From a population perspective it will probably kill 2-4x more people than the flu per year if we just accept it and are unable to develop better treatments, and if you are in the targeted demographics you are much more at risk than with the flu. Someone had it right earlier when they said this will probably reduce average lifespans across the globe by quite a bit.
 
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ManaByte said:


Is this about the "deadlier second wave" everyone is losing their shit over? CNN needs to be shut down, they're just a panic porn tabloid right now.
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I think many are unaware that they are dealing with some form of grief and PTSD. This is why people are overreacting and will continue to overreact until a vaccine is released. Types of grief people experience:

  • 1. Material loss refers to the loss of actual physical matters, such as a prized possession or one's childhood home.
  • 2. Role loss refers to the loss of a familiar role or function, such as that of competent manager after retirement or that of spouse after a divorce.
  • 3. Relationship loss refers to the loss of a particular way of relating with another or others, such as with colleagues after a job layoff or with one's parent who is in physical or mental decline.
  • 4. Systemic loss refers to loss that an entire group or system experiences, such as what city dwellers may experience when an important landmark is torn down or what an office staff experiences when a colleague moves.
  • 5. Functional loss refers to the loss of use or functioning of a part of one's body, such as loss of mobility following a paralyzing accident or the slow deterioration of one's vision as one ages.
  • 6. Intrapsychic loss refers to the loss within one's own psyche of a way of thinking about oneself, one's future, or the world, such as a painful recognition of one's limitations or the abandonment of a lifelong dream.
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diffusionx said:
The death rate is most likely far closer to the real number, because with a death you have a body. Unless COVID was on our shores in October or November, which has been speculated, but most researchers say it was more likely here in mid January or so.
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This makes no sense. We have no idea how many people are actually dying of COVID just as we have no idea how many people are being infected, because a) we don't test everyone and b) people are likely dying of COVID and not being recorded. Only hospital deaths and limited care home deaths are coming through. Thousands of Italians died in their homes during lockdown and we have no idea how many of these were COVID related.

You can't trust one set of numbers and ignore others just to backup your own hypothesis or opinion.
 
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So what do we think about what john campbell said about WHO claiming based on antibody tests only 2 to 3 percent of the population got the virus?
He is saying that it means we are just at the very beginning of this pandemic.
And the reason the cases slow down is just cuz of the lockdowns.

Will we have a massive breakout if we go back to normal based on this data?
Cuz at this percentage there is no herd immunity in place yet.


Also read this virus is causing more and more permanent lung damage in many recovered patients.

Can we brain storm on this?


We should make daily debate topics and solve the worlds problem gaf lol
 
holygeesus said:
This makes no sense. We have no idea how many people are actually dying of COVID just as we have no idea how many people are being infected, because a) we don't test everyone and b) people are likely dying of COVID and not being recorded. Only hospital deaths and limited care home deaths are coming through. Thousands of Italians died in their homes during lockdown and we have no idea how many of these were COVID related.

You can't trust one set of numbers and ignore others just to backup your own hypothesis or opinion.
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Everyone complaining about not testing EVERYONE doesn't ever explain how you test 320 million people.
 
Nester99 said:
So if the numbers are not true (which everyone has always acknowledged as "confirmed" cases not "all" cases")

What numbers did you use to calculate true mortality? More made up fake ones?

Unbelievable...
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Here's how the CDC calculates the flu numbers every year.

How CDC Estimates the Burden of Seasonal Influenza in the U.S. | CDC

Links to key resources on the burden of influenza - CDC
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

The confirmed case number is useful as a measure of how many people have been tested (someone even posted a graph in this thread that said this). As a number towards how many people have actually had it, IT IS USELESS. Especially in a place like New York where this thing has almost certainly been sweeping through the population since early February, and the health system handled it. As a number towards how deadly or dangerous this is, it is useless.

holygeesus said:
This makes no sense. We have no idea how many people are actually dying of COVID just as we have no idea how many people are being infected, because a) we don't test everyone and b) people are likely dying of COVID and not being recorded. Only hospital deaths and limited care home deaths are coming through. Thousands of Italians died in their homes during lockdown and we have no idea how many of these were COVID related.

You can't trust one set of numbers and ignore others just to backup your own hypothesis or opinion.
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NYC's estimate is that the actual death rates are around 25% higher, not 10-100 times higher. There's a hard limit on how high the actual death rates go because you have a body.
 
Jtibh said:
So what do we think about what john campbell said about WHO claiming based on antibody tests only 2 to 3 percent of the population got the virus?
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antibody information is very sparse now. Last few vids I saw of Dr. Campbell he was on the 15% or more infected train based on the Ships and Standford studies. So until we get a lot more studies and peer reviewed I think we need to slow down on guesstimating how many people have been infected.

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He is saying that it means we are just at the very beginning of this pandemic.
And the reason the cases slow down is just cuz of the lockdowns.
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We are at the beigining of the pandemic since it only started outside of China after January. Did lockdowns help? at this time I don't know. I 100% believe in mitigation, but the % of help lockdowns had I can't say and we need more data and studies. Sweden didn't do an extreme lockdown and their numbers aren't much worse than Italy, but are worse than other nordic countries.

Most of the EU is following the same pattern of peak around March 24th and then slow decline, but they all did different types of lockdowns on different dates. So I don't think we can say definitvaly how much the lock downs helped.

Jtibh said:
Will we have a massive breakout if we go back to normal based on this data?
Cuz at this percentage there is no herd immunity in place yet.
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Ability to prevent future breakouts will be based on a countries screening, tracing, and transperancy. If you look at China which is going to get hit with a wave 2 they are still lying and covering up and not relaying information to the public. Then you look at South Korea that will test and tell their population. They had a potential outbreak a few weeks ago at a call center but they got it under control because they are transparent and act in a truthful manner when flare ups happen.

Just like we can't stop the flu from coming back, we won't be able to completely stop the kung flu until we get proper vaccines or medication for it.


Jtibh said:
Also read this virus is causing more and more permanent lung damage in many recovered patients.
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We won't know until years from now what are the long term effects of this virus. For all we know this could kill people in 5 years from now somehow. Long term effects unfortunatly have to wait for Long term time for us to verify. But this virus has been a tricky sum of a bitch so any new tricks it pulls out from its sleeve won't surprise me. Its causing skin discoloration on people FFS.

I saw someone mentioned that we should grouping the virus in stages so we can better treat it. Stage 1 would be all the asymptomatic people who just get it and get over it with barely noticing. Stage 2 would be people who get the mild symptoms. Stage 3 would be people with mulitple symptoms that are progressing and are very serious. Stage 4 would be those who go to the hospital and end up in ICU's and Stage 5 would be if you get intubated.
 
As far as I am aware, we don't even know if having it and recovering provides any kind of long term immunity. Or even short term immunity. It'd be nice to know that for starters. If 50% of the population already had it, but can get it again just as easily, that's not comforting. Will people who got it mild the first time get it mild every other time? Or is it russian roulette?

So many unknowns right now.
 
cryptoadam said:
antibody information is very sparse now. Last few vids I saw of Dr. Campbell he was on the 15% or more infected train based on the Ships and Standford studies. So until we get a lot more studies and peer reviewed I think we need to slow down on guesstimating how many people have been infected.



We are at the beigining of the pandemic since it only started outside of China after January. Did lockdowns help? at this time I don't know. I 100% believe in mitigation, but the % of help lockdowns had I can't say and we need more data and studies. Sweden didn't do an extreme lockdown and their numbers aren't much worse than Italy, but are worse than other nordic countries.

Most of the EU is following the same pattern of peak around March 24th and then slow decline, but they all did different types of lockdowns on different dates. So I don't think we can say definitvaly how much the lock downs helped.



Ability to prevent future breakouts will be based on a countries screening, tracing, and transperancy. If you look at China which is going to get hit with a wave 2 they are still lying and covering up and not relaying information to the public. Then you look at South Korea that will test and tell their population. They had a potential outbreak a few weeks ago at a call center but they got it under control because they are transparent and act in a truthful manner when flare ups happen.

Just like we can't stop the flu from coming back, we won't be able to completely stop the kung flu until we get proper vaccines or medication for it.




We won't know until years from now what are the long term effects of this virus. For all we know this could kill people in 5 years from now somehow. Long term effects unfortunatly have to wait for Long term time for us to verify. But this virus has been a tricky sum of a bitch so any new tricks it pulls out from its sleeve won't surprise me. Its causing skin discoloration on people FFS.

I saw someone mentioned that we should grouping the virus in stages so we can better treat it. Stage 1 would be all the asymptomatic people who just get it and get over it with barely noticing. Stage 2 would be people who get the mild symptoms. Stage 3 would be people with mulitple symptoms that are progressing and are very serious. Stage 4 would be those who go to the hospital and end up in ICU's and Stage 5 would be if you get intubated.
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This is the video about the 2 to3 percent vs what standford claims which lets be real standford said a lot of bullshit in the past and is influenced by lobbyist and is not very credible.




For sweden they either lying or have too many assymptometic cases or are just lucky.

Here we have this cluster which shows what can happen if people end up working, living together.



And even after all this i can still only report that our hospital sits empty and is still waiting for the wave to come.
I asked my wife why are they keeping this up if there is no need for it and she just keeps repeating that its still comming and the hospitals have data showing we havent seen anything yet and it will be a nightmare for months to come.

I am all very confused by all this and dont know what to believe anymore.
 
DragoonKain said:
Now we need to bend it. Ideally it would look like a penis, but we're miles past that.

#BendTheCurve
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Jtibh said:
This is the video about the 2 to3 percent vs what standford claims which lets be real standford said a lot of bullshit in the past and is influenced by lobbyist and is not very credible.




For sweden they either lying or have too many assymptometic cases or are just lucky.

Here we have this cluster which shows what can happen if people end up working, living together.



And even after all this i can still only report that our hospital sits empty and is still waiting for the wave to come.
I asked my wife why are they keeping this up if there is no need for it and she just keeps repeating that its still comming and the hospitals have data showing we havent seen anything yet and it will be a nightmare for months to come.

I am all very confused by all this and dont know what to believe anymore.
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Thanks I will watch Campbell later, always try to give him a watch each day. Though I wish he focused a bit more on Canada and I can tell that there is some political bias in his analysis. He for sure does not like Trump and Boris LOL.

As far as the Standfor study there was a peer review and the study was kinda BS. The error rate on the tests were too high and the sample wasn't really random and even the study pointed out that how it got its participants could of skewed the data.

In Montreal we had an old age home where 105 out 164 people were infected. Also on the DP and the Navy ship the infection rate was about 20% of the population. So I think we have a lot more infected and previously infected that our test tell us, but as of now we don't know if thats a factor of 2 or 5 or 10 or 50. We will need more studies but it is for sure higher than the numbers we know now.

As far as the hospitals being empty, my feeling based on what I am seeing in my province is that our mitigation has helped and the virus has also started to run its course, but that this thing got into old age homes/senior homes and just went savage there. In Quebec 850 out of 1041 deaths were from old age homes. Something like 6000 cases from the past week were from old age homes and people who work there. Basically for us the virus is pretty well contained in the general population but is destroying CHLSD's.

So I think what we might be seeing in Canada is that in the general population we have done a good job of keeping the virus in check and we might just have a lot of asymptomatic carriers who never progress to the really bad stages of the disease, except in the senior community. So most of our cases and deaths are taking place in those communities which is why we still see numbers, but we aren't seeing the collapse in our hospitals. Further evidence that Legault needs 2K people to go work in old age homes, but not in the ICU or hospital.

Believe GAF LOL. But serouse be weary of the info you get and come to GAF to debate it. At the very least this thread has been the one thing to keep me informed and help parse the Bullshit out from the truth.
 
Leyasu said:
A problem also lies with terminology used by the governments. They should have called it what it was, and then carried out a one and done..... Quarantine.

Quarantines have been used for centuries. They work, as long as you do what needs to be done. it is a painful thing to go through for everyone involved and the economy suffers, but a strict quarantine would have effectively eradicated COVID-19 if done correctly. Yes, it may mean losing some freedom for a few months, but it would have meant that we could have emerged in a better place. Instead of the continued paranoia which will linger.

No, Colorado or any other state in the US or anywhere doesn't need to have shoot to kill goons on every highway, just a message that for anyone changing state must accept a three week quarantine in a designated location. Exemptions for those transporting essential goods, and designated areas for those involved. There are things that could be done.

Just think of it as two men in solitary confinement.

One is fed.
One is starved.

The fed man lives.
The starved man dies.

Now change it for a virus.

The virus allowed to spread lives.
The virus starved of hosts dies.

I don't mean to be patronising either...
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I don't see how a quarantine can work for a virus of this nature. It has a unique set of traits that make it very quarantine-resistant:

- Extremely contagious even during incubation period or with carriers that exhibit no symptoms.
- Long incubation period and very long period of being contagious.

This means that unless the entire world somehow coordinates a very severe quarantine for like 2 months just to be sure where no one contacts each other, there's no way to eradicate it, and if it's left to fester anywhere in the world, it still just reset the pandemic cycle once travel resumes due to how contagious it is. I haven't heard a compelling strategy beyond herd immunity (preferably aided by a vaccine).
 
Captain Zyrain said:
#'s wise yes, but it's slowly down it's doubling time, which is good at least.
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Unfortunately new infections are not slowing down in the US though. According to John Hopkins there were 39k new infections yesterday. Unless there was some under reporting on Sunday.

Gotta get those new infections down. Then a couple of weeks later the deaths will start to drop accordingly.

Stay safe USgaf
 
ricardo_sousa11 said:
You cant pick and chose what is real.

You cant say the confirmed cases are not real, but the deaths are. You are supposing that the infected numbers are much much larger, but the death rate is real and all deaths are tested, they are not.

I do agree that a big slice of people have had this probably last winter season, but saying this, I can guarantee a lot of people have died without being tested and so they just "died" of many other reasons.

I've been saying this for months now, the virus mortality =/= moratility rate, you can determine the virus mortality by studying its components and how it interacts with the human body, but you cannot determine the mortality rate, the variables are much much bigger, including different immunitary systems, access to health systems, higiene and so on, so at this point its pretty much irrelevant to know the mortality of the virus or the mortality rate.

What we can look at its the facts that we have, even if they are not completely true.

I posted a kid with it, even if the kid doesnt die, do you think the health system in 70% of the world will be able to treat those serious cases? Or should we just let people die until we kill more than the flu?

We are flattenning the curve, and one of the negative effects of that is people saying "see, not a lot of people have died, so we overreacted", which is a completely wrong analysis. Not a lot of people are dying because we are sacrificing pretty much everything, so you cant even begin to compare this to any other decease. Had we done nothing, we'd be in the millions by now, please dont say "itsjustaflubro".

One of my best friends is a doctor, she sees people with it on a regular basis, it is definetly not the flu.
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Have you had the flu before? Not just a bad cold and fever that people often call the flu, but proper influenza? It can be pretty goddamn rough.
 
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cryptoadam said:
Thanks I will watch Campbell later, always try to give him a watch each day. Though I wish he focused a bit more on Canada and I can tell that there is some political bias in his analysis. He for sure does not like Trump and Boris LOL.
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I don't think it's necessarily the case that he doesn't like Trump and Boris (or is biased in any particular way). He just comes from a medical background and doesn't like bullshit that he thinks is unlikely to work. He's said positive things about both leaders and seemed genuinely concerned when Boris was in the hospital. He's also taken quite the turn in regards to the WHO, which he championed a lot earlier on, but have been quite critical of in recent days as their misdeeds have become clearer and clearer.
 
cryptoadam said:
Thanks I will watch Campbell later, always try to give him a watch each day. Though I wish he focused a bit more on Canada and I can tell that there is some political bias in his analysis. He for sure does not like Trump and Boris LOL.

As far as the Standfor study there was a peer review and the study was kinda BS. The error rate on the tests were too high and the sample wasn't really random and even the study pointed out that how it got its participants could of skewed the data.

In Montreal we had an old age home where 105 out 164 people were infected. Also on the DP and the Navy ship the infection rate was about 20% of the population. So I think we have a lot more infected and previously infected that our test tell us, but as of now we don't know if thats a factor of 2 or 5 or 10 or 50. We will need more studies but it is for sure higher than the numbers we know now.

As far as the hospitals being empty, my feeling based on what I am seeing in my province is that our mitigation has helped and the virus has also started to run its course, but that this thing got into old age homes/senior homes and just went savage there. In Quebec 850 out of 1041 deaths were from old age homes. Something like 6000 cases from the past week were from old age homes and people who work there. Basically for us the virus is pretty well contained in the general population but is destroying CHLSD's.

So I think what we might be seeing in Canada is that in the general population we have done a good job of keeping the virus in check and we might just have a lot of asymptomatic carriers who never progress to the really bad stages of the disease, except in the senior community. So most of our cases and deaths are taking place in those communities which is why we still see numbers, but we aren't seeing the collapse in our hospitals. Further evidence that Legault needs 2K people to go work in old age homes, but not in the ICU or hospital.

Believe GAF LOL. But serouse be weary of the info you get and come to GAF to debate it. At the very least this thread has been the one thing to keep me informed and help parse the Bullshit out from the truth.
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Well thats what this is about right?
Share our findings and call out the fake ones and spread the good ones.

Old homes here are also very affected and most if not all deaths are from them and ita not over yet.

Well if the big wave is still comming we better get ready. And if not fuck it back to normal what happens happens.

One last bit info from hospital she told me me 7 nurses from maternity unit got the virus .
And she is saying they have to wear masks all day but the young ones dont care amd take it of at breaks so she is sitting far away from them.
 
Leyasu said:
Unfortunately new infections are not slowing down in the US though. According to John Hopkins there were 39k new infections yesterday. Unless there was some under reporting on Sunday.

Gotta get those new infections down. Then a couple of weeks later the deaths will start to drop accordingly.

Stay safe USgaf
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Where did you get 39K? Worldometers showed +25,900 and the John Hopkins website thing showed a rise from 783,400 to 801,700 (+18,300).

I still show the peak as April 4th at 34K cases, and it's fluctuated since then, but never topped it.
 
ManaByte said:


Is this about the "deadlier second wave" everyone is losing their shit over? CNN needs to be shut down, they're just a panic porn tabloid right now.
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They always have been. Remember those studio green screen videos of their anchors "on the ground" during the Gulf War acting out a bullshit skit and claiming they smelled chemical weapons or some nonsense?
 
Djau said:
I don't mean leaders. Citizens are the most stupid people in the world.
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For riding dirt bikes in the dirt? What makes them stupid? For not staying home like good citizens?
 
Jtibh said:
Well thats what this is about right?
Share our findings and call out the fake ones and spread the good ones.
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Yup thats why GAF has been good during the pandemic. Cut through the BS and get lots of updates. Even the 50 cent army on here at least keeps us on our toes to keep an eye out for potential BS and fake news.

Jtibh said:
Old homes here are also very affected and most if not all deaths are from them and ita not over yet.
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This will be a huge scandal. Gonna be a lot of pissed off people once the dust settles and we find out the real damage.

Jtibh said:
Well if the big wave is still comming we better get ready. And if not fuck it back to normal what happens happens.
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I hope we should be better prepared. At least now we know a lot more about this virus. And keep in mind that in a few months from now we are going to have much more advanced testing and supplies of tests. So if a 2nd wave does show up we will have better tools to trace and isolate.

As long as our government is being truthful and transparent we will have the means and knowledge to get in front of any potential future outbreaks. So unless Trudeau starts sending health officals who report new cases to jail I am not really concerned about our ability to tackle this when september rolls around. IT won't be a walk in the park but I see us being better prepared.

Jtibh said:
One last bit info from hospital she told me me 7 nurses from maternity unit got the virus .
And she is saying they have to wear masks all day but the young ones dont care amd take it of at breaks so she is sitting far away from them.
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appreciate the front line info you have shared with us in this thread.
 
Chittagong said:
Enormous hospitals will become a permanent feature of the society.
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Fearmongering the Second Wave, I'll buy that for a dollar. That's the narrative now by the authorities, the Second Wave will overburden the hospitals. Just like it did the first time...

In Slovakia the NWO are already a step ahead of you. The country is roughly a rectangle and they said they wanted three mega-hospitals, one in the west, centre, and east to deal with the coronavirus.

I imagine we'll call them MiniVax, and build them like giant white windowless pyramids. Vaccination is Freedom.
 
Zefah said:
For riding dirt bikes in the dirt? What makes them stupid? For not staying home like good citizens?
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Exactly. If Society can't complete step 1 to stop this; then what good is the rest? Between this, crowding in supermarkets, lockdown parties and anti-vaxxer nonsense will all have a disastrous effect later. If we value human life we must maintain social distancing, use full PPE and only go out if essential.

Doc Honk said:
Fearmongering the Second Wave, I'll buy that for a dollar. That's the narrative now by the authorities, the Second Wave will overburden the hospitals. Just like it did the first time...

In Slovakia the NWO are already a step ahead of you. The country is roughly a rectangle and they said they wanted three mega-hospitals, one in the west, centre, and east to deal with the coronavirus.

I imagine we'll call them MiniVax, and build them like giant white windowless pyramids. Vaccination is Freedom.
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Well yeah vaccinations are essential to living beyond thirty.
 
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cryptoadam said:
Yup thats why GAF has been good during the pandemic. Cut through the BS and get lots of updates. Even the 50 cent army on here at least keeps us on our toes to keep an eye out for potential BS and fake news.



This will be a huge scandal. Gonna be a lot of pissed off people once the dust settles and we find out the real damage.



I hope we should be better prepared. At least now we know a lot more about this virus. And keep in mind that in a few months from now we are going to have much more advanced testing and supplies of tests. So if a 2nd wave does show up we will have better tools to trace and isolate.

As long as our government is being truthful and transparent we will have the means and knowledge to get in front of any potential future outbreaks. So unless Trudeau starts sending health officals who report new cases to jail I am not really concerned about our ability to tackle this when september rolls around. IT won't be a walk in the park but I see us being better prepared.



appreciate the front line info you have shared with us in this thread.
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I hope for september like i am desperate.
My child is going crazy.
Doesnt fall asleep till 11 at night and is bored .
There is only soo much we can do with bith of us working.
With parks and playgrounds closed its hard to go somewhere.
She has enough of sitting home or go for dog walks.

When i hear the talks about schools closed till january i am very concerned.
And i know i am not the only one who is running out of wits to tackle a 5 year old
 
Djau said:
Exactly. If Society can't complete step 1 to stop this; then what good is the rest? Between this, crowding in supermarkets, lockdown parties and anti-vaxxer nonsense will all have a disastrous effect later. If we value human life we must maintain social distancing, use full PPE and only go out if essential.

Well yeah vaccinations are essential to living beyond thirty.
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To be honest, I don't think we, as a society, value individual human life over having a society. Doing everything we can to minimize deaths has never been how humans have operated. We're going to have to come to terms with that eventually.
 
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Zefah said:
To be honest, I don't think we, as a society, value individual human life over having a society. We're going to have to come to terms with that eventually.
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For all the glitz and glam; 1st world countries really are no different from 3rd world...we just have a much better mask. At some point society is going to have to re-think the way we handle; well basically everything. Economics, Healthcare, Education we must adapt it all to modern standards than outdated ways.
 
Djau said:
For all the glitz and glam; 1st world countries really are no different from 3rd world...we just have a much better mask. At some point society is going to have to re-think the way we handle; well basically everything. Economics, Healthcare, Education we must adapt it all to modern standards than outdated ways.
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Change tends to be very slow. People are human in the end.

By the way, you praised leaders earlier, but do you think Sweden's leaders are idiots for their approach since it's quite different from the "stay the fuck home" lockdowns that most of the world is attempting?
 
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Djau said:
Exactly. If Society can't complete step 1 to stop this; then what good is the rest? Between this, crowding in supermarkets, lockdown parties and anti-vaxxer nonsense will all have a disastrous effect later. If we value human life we must maintain social distancing, use full PPE and only go out if essential.



Well yeah vaccinations are essential to living beyond thirty.
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Yeah, that was totally my point, you got me. I forgot I had a digital implant when I was three that put my human life in the hands of some San Francisco cunts.

Edit: See the post directly above this one if you think I'm a loon. The MSM literally just used an Orwellian phrase to fuck your life up. But I'm the idiot.
 
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Zefah said:
Change tends to be very slow. People are human in the end.

By the way, you praised leaders earlier, but do you think Sweden's leaders are idiots for their approach since it's quite different from the "stay the fuck home" lockdowns that most of the world is attempting?
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Its the wrong approach I believe and its going to cost them for it in the number of dead.

Doc Honk said:
Yeah, that was totally my point, you got me. I forgot I had a digital implant when I was three that put my human life in the hands of some San Francisco cunts.
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We aren't playing Deus Ex.
 
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Zefah said:
Based on what?
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Cut off exposure as much as possible and minimize its spread so hospitals can treat better. Letting people out and about keeps it spreading which will lead to winter being hit with a double whammy of Covid-19 + whatever seasonal flu appears.
 
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