Support NeoGAF

[diffusionx]

So heretical it was already posted, in this thread, twice!

I watched the video then and he doesn't really even explain himself well.

Sweden also has 1765 deaths compared to 141 in Finland and 182 in Norway (Combine those two for a rough equal to Sweden's population). Even if you look at a country like Austria, which is close to Sweden in population, they only had 491 deaths.

They're over double the deaths of all the other countries in the same range of positive test count. I don't know if that's a great model to emulate all things considered.

Even lockdown maniacs like Cuomo and Murphy say that the vast majority of people (80%+) are going to end up infected with this. And those people, if they are fat, or old, or really sick, or any combination of the three, have a risk of dying. The question is do they get sick now or do they get sick later, because they will get sick, because this is a virus, and virii spread.. The justification for the lockdown was that we didn't want all these people sick at once and crush the hospital system. The justification was not "these people can never get sick", because if that was the justification, letting us go outside our home and into a grocery store would ruin that. If the standard for this was not one infection, then they should have the police roaming the street and arresting us if we left our homes.

If Sweden felt that their hospital system would not be crushed, then the lockdown just makes zero sense whatsoever.

Again, somehow over the course of this the justification has morphed as the media has turned hysterical and acted like everyone is going to die from it. I bet if you took a poll people would think this thing has a 50% fatality rate, not one significantly less than 1%.

 

[cryptoadam]

I think this will deserve its own thread in politics. This might get very juicy.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

I linked the self assessment page earlier.

The funny thing is, if you answer yes the first time it does say it's an emergency. But I didn't actually think it was that severe, and it later gives you a phone number to speak with a nurse.
If it gets worse, I'll call the nurse first and then I'll take his/her advice next.

According to that assessment,
Call 911 if you have :

• severe difficulty breathing
  (struggling for each breath, can only speak in single words)
• severe chest pain
  (constant tightness or crushing sensation)
• feeling confused
  (for example, unsure of where you are)
• losing consciousness

Why did you answer yes to these? You just said you don't have them.

Based on what you've disclosed in this thread, this is what you should do:

Contact a doctor or Telehealth Ontario. You may be eligible for a COVID-19 test.

Do not leave your home. Do not go into a hospital or clinic.

First, contact either:

• your primary care provider (for example, family doctor) over the phone or online
• Telehealth Ontario at 1-866-797-0000 (to speak with a registered nurse)

They will tell you what to do next.

 

[JordanN]

Why did you answer yes to these? You just said you don't have them.

I did/still have chest pain.

I'm recovering now but the last two days, I did have random episodes of getting really hot, and then shivering and getting hot again followed by "tightness" in my chest.

That's what caused me to freak out at first but as you said, maybe it was just stress getting to me. The symptoms have all but disappeared so hopefully it isn't something more serious.

But again, I said I didn't want to jump the gun too soon and will watch if it disappears.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Even lockdown maniacs like Cuomo and Murphy say that the vast majority of people (80%+) are going to end up infected with this. And those people, if they are fat, or old, or really sick, or any combination of the three, have a risk of dying. The question is do they get sick now or do they get sick later, because they will get sick, because this is a virus, and virii spread.. The justification for the lockdown was that we didn't want all these people sick at once and crush the hospital system. The justification was not "these people can never get sick", because if that was the justification, letting us go outside our home and into a grocery store would ruin that. If the standard for this was not one infection, then they should have the police roaming the street and arresting us if we left our homes.

If Sweden felt that their hospital system would not be crushed, then the lockdown just makes zero sense whatsoever.

Again, somehow over the course of this the justification has morphed as the media has turned hysterical and acted like everyone is going to die from it. I bet if you took a poll people would think this thing has a 50% fatality rate, not one significantly less than 1%.

I think having so many fat people in the US is a good reason to lockdown..

 

[cosmic wizard]

Some bad news. While I guess if you have TDS this is probably the best news you could have outside of HRC posing for playboy



Well onto resdemsvir and plasma transfusions.

The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work.

How a flood of corporate funding can distort NIH research - Washington Compost

 

[hariseldon]

No license.

Can you drive safely? With the roads likely quiet, perhaps the best option is to drive that one careful trip and hope the police aren't around. Tbh if you aren't driving erratically and don't crash you'll be fine.

 

[hariseldon]

Oh boy this is going to get VERY interesting. I look forward to seeing what comes out.

 

[JordanN]

Can you drive safely? With the roads likely quiet, perhaps the best option is to drive that one careful trip and hope the police aren't around. Tbh if you aren't driving erratically and don't crash you'll be fine.

Where I'm from, there are companies that straight up refuse to do business here because of the huge amount of insurance fraud.

If it was any other city, I might take that risk. But I'm safer indoors then the actual drivers that are outside.

 

[hariseldon]

Where I'm from, there are companies that straight up refuse to do business here because of the huge amount of insurance fraud.

If it was any other city, I might take that risk. But I'm safer indoors then the actual drivers that are outside.

Fair enough - just remember these are not ordinary times so if your only way to get tested is to drive illegally once then you should consider it.

 

[Lanrutcon]

South Africa here. Tonight the President informed us that he's authorised one of the largest deployments in our country's history. That's 75,000 soldiers to augment police activities. While there's been some looting...he knows something we don't. I think he anticipates a wave of violence in the near future. He's also stated that the battle against the disease is an ongoing effort, and that he'd have more news this Thursday.

It's pretty obvious our lockdown is getting extended, and that the government anticipates a poor reaction from those already battling to survive.

 

[Tesseract]

 

[hariseldon]

Some people have terrible password hygiene.

 

[Tesseract]

live now

gobs of cash, reconstruction period lies before us

 

[ManaByte]

Barr Threatens Legal Action Against Governors Over Lockdowns

The Justice Department will consider taking legal action against governors who continue to impose stringent rules for dealing with the coronavirus that infringe on constitutional rights even after the crisis subsides in their states, Attorney General William Barr said.

www.bloomberg.com

The Justice Department will consider taking legal action against governors who continue to impose stringent rules for dealing with the coronavirus that infringe on constitutional rights even after the crisis subsides in their states, Attorney General William Barr said.

 

[desertdroog]

Barr Threatens Legal Action Against Governors Over Lockdowns

The Justice Department will consider taking legal action against governors who continue to impose stringent rules for dealing with the coronavirus that infringe on constitutional rights even after the crisis subsides in their states, Attorney General William Barr said.

www.bloomberg.com

Well, yeah. The U.S. Constitution does not get nullified due to crisis despite governors opinions.

 

[DragoonKain]

CDC already projecting a "worse" 2nd wave in the winter before this one is even over.

These long-term virus predictors are becoming insufferable.

 

[ManaByte]

This fucking dumbass motherfucker just told Trump people are more concerned about the virus than working and PAYING THEIR RENT OR EATING.

Enemy of the people.

 

[JordanN]

CDC already projecting a "worse" 2nd wave in the winter before this one is even over.

These long-term virus predictors are becoming insufferable.

Would the 2nd wave still be the same virus or a mutant?

Like, did all the people who just recovered are at risk at catching it again?

 

[DragoonKain]

Would the 2nd wave still be the same virus or a mutant?

Like, did all the people who just recovered are at risk at catching it again?

They didn't specify.

 

[Tesseract]

'... at some point, hopefully everything will be made here ...'

 

[ManaByte]

They didn't specify.

No Birx did specify at the briefing right now. Saying they'd have the surveillance to spot it early ALONG WITH the normal flu, testing, and treatments in the fall to make it not as bad as it is now.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Wut

 

[Tesseract]

 

[EviLore]

Wut

 

[JordanN]

Wut

Ok, this is epic.

He's thanking Spongebob and Beyonce.

 

[ManaByte]

Wut

The replies to that are great.

 

[Sub_Level]

Dallas County Commissioners Extend 'Safer at Home' Order to May 15

Dallas County Commissioners Tuesday voted 3-2 to extend the county's Safer at Home order until May 15.

www.nbcdfw.com

lol texas economy is fugged.

 

[infinitys_7th]

I think this will deserve its own thread in politics. This might get very juicy.

Archive EVERYTHING you see. Twitter is assmad as fuck over this.

 

[infinitys_7th]

Some people have terrible password hygiene.

Shit, I'm a no one and my passwords are all as high entropy as possible.

Fucking dumbasses work at the CDC and their password is a state or a name, all lowercase.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Xi's face ! He is feeling that music.

 

[infinitys_7th]

All sorts of crazy fucking shit is floating around on 4chan. . .I hope they move over to 9chan (Null just launched it a little while ago). Zero chance of censorship there.

I'm expecting this to be claimed to be another Ruskie op, but we know that's bullshit.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

still have a fever, everything else is mild. Just here waiting for a dose of Fuck China News aka China in Focus

 

[eot]

So heretical it was already posted, in this thread, twice!

I watched the video then and he doesn't really even explain himself well.

Sweden also has 1765 deaths compared to 141 in Finland and 182 in Norway (Combine those two for a rough equal to Sweden's population). Even if you look at a country like Austria, which is close to Sweden in population, they only had 491 deaths.

They're over double the deaths of all the other countries in the same range of positive test count. I don't know if that's a great model to emulate all things considered.

I'll repeat myself from last time this was brought up, but at this point we don't really know if the differences are just due to the lockdown measures and nothing else. Sweden is the only country with lax measures, and while their deaths are certainly higher than their neighbours, they're also significantly lower (per capita) than many countries with extreme lockdown measures, and furthermore they haven't had runaway growth (deaths have been constant for a long time now). It also hasn't spread much outside Stockholm, which is the worst hit region. For example, the southern region of Scania, which has a sizeable pop of 1.4 mil and lots of commuter traffic to Denmark, has had 56 deaths even though they had their first case seven weeks ago.

 

[Djau]

Would the 2nd wave still be the same virus or a mutant?

Like, did all the people who just recovered are at risk at catching it again?

It will be very different to the virus we are experiencing now; viruses mutate very fast with the family that Coronavirus belongs to being especially mutagenic. Countries will have to examine how they handle pandemic-level events again; so that the same mistakes aren't made.

Assuming with it being so widespread in the world now that new variants will form when they recombine in presence of other viruses local to specific areas.

 

[JordanN]

It will be very different to the virus we are experiencing now; viruses mutate very fast with the family that Coronavirus belongs to being especially mutagenic. Countries will have to examine how they handle pandemic-level events again; so that the same mistakes aren't made.

Assuming with it being so widespread in the world now that new variants will form when they recombine in presence of other viruses local to specific areas.

Damn, so how would a vaccine work? Wouldn't there have to be two versions or would one just work fine?

 

[Djau]

Damn, so how would a vaccine work? Wouldn't there have to be two versions or would one just work fine?

It'll work much like the flu vaccine and be just about as effective unless we make a jump in technology. It'll need to be seasonal.

Lets put it this way. Measles vaccine was the fastest developed vaccine and it took four years. Theres also been some tests that showed early testing into vaccines for the virus actually enhanced the disease itself. Its going to be particularly tricky and would require at minimum a year.

 

[ManaByte]

It'll work much like the flu vaccine and be just about as effective unless we make a jump in technology. It'll need to be seasonal.

Shh don't say that. You'll get people demanding indefinite quarantines.

 

[Djau]

Shh don't say that. You'll get people demanding indefinite quarantines.

Quarantines are pointless when noone follows them. Bury a ditch for the bodies and be done with it.

Now, if Employers could actually be trusted to enforce stringent PPE use for staff including full aprons, gloves, masks and visors; plus social distancing in stores/workplaces/offices and flexible sick leave for staff then yes, we could stop quarantine early.

 

[Kazza]

Someone needs to add the Africans dancing with coffin clip to the end here




RIP

 

[JordanN]

On a related note, a new study came out saying the virus has at least mutated into 30 different strains.

Although the study came from China....

Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, study finds

The novel coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different genetic variations, according to a new study in China.

www.foxnews.com

The novel coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different genetic variations, according to a new study in China.

The results showed that medical officials have vastly underestimated the overall ability of the virus to mutate, in finding that different strains have affected different parts of the world, leading to potential difficulties in finding an overall cure.

The study, which was carried out by professor Li Lanjuan and colleagues from Zhejiang University in Hangzhou, China, was published in a non-peer reviewed paper released on Sunday.

 

[Djau]

On a related note, a new study came out saying the virus has at least mutated into 30 different strains.

Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, study finds

The novel coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different genetic variations, according to a new study in China.

www.foxnews.com

Virus are messy when they recombine themselves; often picking up a part or two of other viruses which leads to mutation (this is why Coronavirus already has parts from different viruses) Now, what would happen if it inherited the particularly lethal aspects of Ebola? Scary stuff.

 

[cryptoadam]

All sorts of crazy fucking shit is floating around on 4chan. . .I hope they move over to 9chan (Null just launched it a little while ago). Zero chance of censorship there.

I'm expecting this to be claimed to be another Ruskie op, but we know that's bullshit.

Not Russians, Neo-Nazi's, when will you ever learn

Neo-Nazis Are Spreading a List of Emails and Passwords for Gates Foundation and WHO Employees

Both organizations are the targets of absurd conspiracy theories among the far-right.

www.vice.com

But I read around that there wasn't really anything except for these fools have bad passwords. Only 1 juicy thing I saw that is unconfrimed is that there is CCTV of batwomen leaving some Corona Chan near a fishmarket AC systems. But take with a gigantic grain of salt.

 

[ManaByte]

But I read around that there wasn't really anything except for these fools have bad passwords. Only 1 juicy thing I saw that is unconfrimed is that there is CCTV of batwomen leaving some Corona Chan near a fishmarket AC systems. But take with a gigantic grain of salt.

wut

 

[Setzer]

Some bad news. While I guess if you have TDS this is probably the best news you could have outside of HRC posing for playboy



Well onto resdemsvir and plasma transfusions.

This study is no different than the other studies that have showed HCQ being an effective treatment. I also think it's success is dependent on when its administered and if the patient is also being given Zinc as a supplement. Timing is the key and if they try and treat this to patients who are already in the ICU then I think the chances of recovery are slim. My Dad has been in contact with several colleagues that have treated patients with COVID-19 using HCQ + Zinc and it's proven to be an effective treatment. And we're hearing from patients and Doctors all over the US, including celebrities, that were treated with HCQ and it helped them to recover quickly. So, I'm still on the side of it being a successful form of treatment.

 

[infinitys_7th]

Not Russians, Neo-Nazi's, when will you ever learn

Neo-Nazis Are Spreading a List of Emails and Passwords for Gates Foundation and WHO Employees

Both organizations are the targets of absurd conspiracy theories among the far-right.

www.vice.com

But I read around that there wasn't really anything except for these fools have bad passwords. Only 1 juicy thing I saw that is unconfrimed is that there is CCTV of batwomen leaving some Corona Chan near a fishmarket AC systems. But take with a gigantic grain of salt.

That post about the dry ice is from some anon in February. The juicier stuff is that corona-chan infects the bone marrow as part of kind of attempt at HIV immunity. Anons are going through it all on 9chan now - they hit a least one FTP server, but I am sure most of them are staying silent while they translate what they got from China and try to piece anything together with their western docs.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You are the worst poster in NeoGAFs history.

Not even close. Stop being overly emotional.

 

[cryptoadam]

This study is no different than the other studies that have showed HCQ being an effective treatment. I also think it's success is dependent on when its administered and if the patient is also being given Zinc as a supplement. Timing is the key and if they try and treat this to patients who are already in the ICU then I think the chances of recovery are slim. My Dad has been in contact with several colleagues that have treated patients with COVID-19 using HCQ + Zinc and it's proven to be an effective treatment. And we're hearing from patients and Doctors all over the US, including celebrities, that were treated with HCQ and it helped them to recover quickly. So, I'm still on the side of it being a successful form of treatment.

I want HQ to work but now the NIH just said not to use Zpack and HCQ. I do think there is a reason why some people have a good reaction to this and I don't think it works on everyone. But I am losing faith in HCQ. There is a phase 3 trial going on now and we still have to hear word from New York but I am leaning towards bust on this one. We will see. But it will be sad if this doesn't work to see media shills and TDS heads celebrating the future deaths of thousands just to prove Trump wrong.

 

[Strife In a Teacup]

Wut

That reply:

 

[Stouffers]

Would it be irresponsible to call an ambulance if I wanted to go to the hospital and be tested?

Parents are out of the question, and I if I get a taxi I feel they would freak out if I told them what I was doing.

I don't think I actually have the symptoms, but the last couple of days, I do have this headache that is just [now] going away.

Probably stress/anxiety. I'd avoid the hospital unless you're showing symptoms.