Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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12Goblins
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The_Observer
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What narrative, man?
I'm very far from the USA, and I'm not parroting any narrative just gathering information and using critical thinking. You should do it too. New York Times, btw? You've got to be kidding.
HellforLeather
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cryptoadam
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But he's wearing GLASSES! GLASSES god damnit. Have you ever meet a stupid person in Glasses? I don't think so.
Cybrwzrd
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cryptoadam
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12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
cryptoadam
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Is New York just a shit show?
Here is the data from my province which is the epicenter of Canada
Are total deaths are 1 515, which means under 40 people under the age of 60 have passed and no one under 30 has died.
Also over 1000 of these deaths all come from our old age homes so the deaths in the community are like 25% of the total deaths.
And I live in Quebec we have a joie de vivre, love Poutine, Pepsi, Molson beer and smoking.
This matches up with Italy where they only had 54 people under 40 die, with only 10 have no underlying preconditions and under 60 the total of death was 238. This was out of 21K people.
If we discuss CFR then we need to discuss it on an age basis because the fatalness of this is different in someone who is 30 than someone who is 60 or 70 or 80 or 90.
Here is the data from my province which is the epicenter of Canada
| Age group | % of deaths |
|---|---|
| Under 30 years | 0 |
| 30-39 years | 0.2 |
| 40-49 years | 0.7 |
| 50-59 years | 1.6 |
| 60-69 years | 6.6 |
| 70-79 years | 18.3 |
| 80-89 years | 41.0 |
| 90 years and more | 31.3 |
| Age to be determined | 0.3 |
Are total deaths are 1 515, which means under 40 people under the age of 60 have passed and no one under 30 has died.
Also over 1000 of these deaths all come from our old age homes so the deaths in the community are like 25% of the total deaths.
And I live in Quebec we have a joie de vivre, love Poutine, Pepsi, Molson beer and smoking.
This matches up with Italy where they only had 54 people under 40 die, with only 10 have no underlying preconditions and under 60 the total of death was 238. This was out of 21K people.
If we discuss CFR then we need to discuss it on an age basis because the fatalness of this is different in someone who is 30 than someone who is 60 or 70 or 80 or 90.
Starlight Lotice
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Apparently in the area I live in, people are starting to congregate outside in Parks and there are more Cars on the Road than usual. (Manchester Area) One of my family members (who works in a Care Home) has started to see people picnicking with their NEIGHBOURS without masks or social distancing.
I am guessing the UK Public are getting impatient and are starting to take the risk of their health with this disease.
I fear we are going to have an extended lockdown and more enforced policing if this carries on.
It is no wonder Boris is stating that we cannot start to open up just yet with these idiots. They are going to end up giving us a harder lockdown.
I am guessing the UK Public are getting impatient and are starting to take the risk of their health with this disease.
I fear we are going to have an extended lockdown and more enforced policing if this carries on.
It is no wonder Boris is stating that we cannot start to open up just yet with these idiots. They are going to end up giving us a harder lockdown.
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i don't get it. Why ? Why is it any different if a person whos 30 dies, in comparison to a 60 year old?
cryptoadam
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Its not different, but there is a huge difference in the death rate for someone who is 30 vs someone who is 60 or 70 or 80. The virus is much deadlier for those in the older groups.
54 people under 40 dying in 2 months in Italy is probably less that die from accidents, drug overdose, or regular diseases. It probably puts the death rate at like .002 if we took into account all the asymptomatic infected. Were talking a bad flu season (not to be itsjustaflubro bro).
Meanwhile 15-20% or more of symptomatic cases of people over 60 are dying. Its much deadlier to someone who is in that age group, especially if they have underlying conditions. Again with Italy only 10 people who had no underlying conditions died that were under 40.
10 people is a massive difference than looking at numbers and seeing 21K people dead.
We can't properly make decisions based on a one size fits all. The virus does not effect younger people the same way it does older people and any decisions we make going forward has to be based on this knowledge. We also have to start looking at what is really going on with this virus because its not a SARS or a flu its a different beast.
It seems like we are starting to see that vents aren't the solution and this thing might actually be attacking your blood cells and causing your entire body to crash and kill its own organs, rather than just being a respiratory disease.
But saying it kills everyone the same by attacking the lungs and causing ARDS looks like it is the wrong story on this thing and could every well be killing more people than we are saving.
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Don't like the sound of this...
www.nbcnews.com
Tyson Foods chairman warns: 'The food supply chain is breaking'
In recent weeks, the poultry producer has suspended operations at plants across the country.
www.nbcnews.com
I thought it was pretty clear that this disease was far far far more dangerous for the old people.
Still, there are also many things not clear like lasting lung damage that apparently also effect young people.
Top that off, while young people have a really low probability to die, there are still many young people with severe cases. I don't think anyone wants to go thorugh that.
llien
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Russian source (google translate)
Not much is known. It was a hospital for veterans, being transformed to accept wulhan virus patients.
Smiles and Cries
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wooo I dodged a bullet, feeling much better it was not covid still got to go in and follow up with my doctor later this week
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hariseldon
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Stop trying to frame it as hating old people. The information is useful as it tells us that we need to shield the elderly bit everyone else can more or less cope - it's useful information to develop strategy.
How you wanna do that, enlighten me?
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Deleted member 17706
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It would be a lot easier for society to continue functioning if only elderly were asked to stay locked up and we really only needed to provide heavy government assistance to them.
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Who do you want that to Work lol? How do they Go Grocery shopping? What about people that live together with their Patents?
Only locking Up old people does Not work, If it die, every fuckin country would have done it by now.
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It's what Sweden is doing and it doesn't seem to be blowing up in their face.
Jayjayhd34
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We don't have enough police to enforce any sticker regulations than what are currently doing. This is why I'm so shocked lockdown has worked, the prison and cps have said no to sending anyone but serious offenders to jail or courts. Fines are paid of such small incumments its hardly a deterrent. If general public decide its time return to normal life there's shit all the goverment can do.
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I mean... that's how it should be.
Djau
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There's a consequence to returning early to work and that is unprotected workers that will be exposed to a dangerous and deadly virus that leads to a massive second wave which puts us through this shit show first rather than doing it the right way first time.
Worst part is people want to sacrifice others. Those in customer-facing jobs are going to die more than those in cushy offices which will further exacerbate the class-gap in society.
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Grinchy
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Man, it's already hard to find at stores and it's not like I have some giant meat freezer even if I was able to stock up that hard.Don't like the sound of this...
Tyson Foods chairman warns: 'The food supply chain is breaking'
In recent weeks, the poultry producer has suspended operations at plants across the country.
darkestdame
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Time for perdue to step up.
rykomatsu
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Propose a solution where no one will die. Otherwise, you want to sacrifice others.
Captain Zyrain
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ReOpen NC leader says she tested positive for COVID-19
RALEIGH, N.C. (WNCN) – A leader of the ReOpen NC group revealed in a Facebook post that she tested positive for COVID-19. Audrey Whitlock posted to the ReOpen NC Facebook page early Sunday sa…
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Serious question: Do you wipe your own ass or does mommy and daddy do it for you still? If you do wipe your own ass, then I think most people will be able to figure out how to protect themselves without the government's iron fist forcing regulation and fines on people.
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Deleted member 17706
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Yeah, I picked up a relatively small freezer back in March and bought 50 lbs. of New York Steak (uncut) from Costco. Might make another run later this month.
Stop using Sweden as a metric. First of all Sweden has one of the lowest Population densities. The country is Bigger than Germany but has only 10 Million people living there. Still even regarding this, Sweden has a Higher Death per 1 Million than even the US.
Secondly, it's not working. Compare their numbers to their neighboars. Country with similar density.
rykomatsu
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Not sure where you live, but it might also be possible to find local farms selling meat. There's a good number of direct to customer farms within a 30mi radius from my home (albeit a little more costly)
darkestdame
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ReOpen NC leader says she tested positive for COVID-19
RALEIGH, N.C. (WNCN) – A leader of the ReOpen NC group revealed in a Facebook post that she tested positive for COVID-19. Audrey Whitlock posted to the ReOpen NC Facebook page early Sunday sa…
Jtibh
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Thinking caps on: Chinese school kids return to classroom with the help of 'social distancing hats' (PHOTOS) https://www.rt.com/news/487042-china-coronavirus-school-hats/
Moogle11
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Yep, there's a huge class divide in who's dying for sure. Racial divide as well in urban areas. Blacks are very over represented among deaths relative to their percent of the population in my state. It's easy to see why as when I do my grocery store run every 10ish days pretty much every employee at Publix is black. Hell, I haven't even seen the couple of older white cashiers who worked full time there before--they probably had enough money to quit I guess. Or maybe Publix is just letting older employees be laid off and on unemployment as they're pretty good to their employees relative to most retail stores and I haven't seen some of the older black regular employees either, now that I think about it.
In any case, it just is what it is. That's essential business and has to stay open as people need food. They have fairly decent social distancing in place. They put plexiglass up at the registers, have marks on the floor to space people out in checkout lines, put signs on the floor making the aisles one way etc. The only part of the store I have issues in is the produce as that's more cramped and too many people are stupid and come right next to you to grab an onion or whatever instead of waiting for you to be done and move on.
My only issue with other less essential stores reopening with distancing etc. in place is such decisions shouldn't be made statewide like in GA. The risk varies greatly across counties, towns and cities within states. Let local leaders make those calls. Otherwise, I of course feel bad for front line workers as those at the bottom always get the shaft while people like myself and my wife can work from home indefinitely on full salaries. But we just don't have the social safety net or cultural beliefs here in the US to stay shut down and truly minimize deaths. I don't like it, but just is what it is in the US. So best we can hope for is to reopen as responsibly as possible and with the best social distancing and other measures in place.
As individuals with privilege we can continue to minimize trips to the grocery store and wear masks when we go, continue supporting local restaurants through carry out and delivery orders, not do any non-essentially shopping/business until it's safe, and make donations to food banks and other charities that are helping those at the bottom.
cryptoadam
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Can we agree then to also stop comparing everyone to SK or Taiwan too?
Djau
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Oh yeah, I'm sure that'll help its not like your population is No.1 in death rate for the virus or anything.
Fun Fanboy
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Few more weeks for Cali eh? So says Governor Bruce Wayne.
cryptoadam
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The Secret Group of Scientists and Billionaires Pushing a Manhattan Project for Covid-19
They are working to cull the world’s most promising research on the pandemic, passing on their findings to policy makers and the White House.
www.wsj.com
Ebola drugs, are they talking about resdemsvir that so far hasn't shown much promise? They dismiss HCQ so its not that.
Smiles and Cries
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I don't think that is enough distance I fear for the future of China
Smiles and Cries
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America now at 1 million cases.
And Russia overtakes China.
how many people fell out of building windows to keep the death rate in Russia nice and low?
Jtibh
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I dont think you understand.
This is just a new source of income for cockchina selling these proppeler hats and make a killing off it.
This was the plan all along.
I got mine ordered but then i though my daughter can do some crafts at home since no school.
I can start my own sweatshop if i want to.
Malakhov
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I'm also in QC, was referencing to the UK and Italy numbers but this is even better. Where is this from?
Joe T.
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Where do you live that you're worried about a "massive second wave," if you don't mind me asking?
008
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I haven't followed California, but that is wild. Everyone is either going to be broke or go crazy by the end
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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I just don't see how things can ever return to normal until we've either developed herd immunity or there is an effective cure or vaccine.
If things return to normal, even if there were no cases(unlikely), airline travelers would reintroduce the virus, and cases would start going up again.
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