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[Deleted member 17706]

Stop using Sweden as a metric. First of all Sweden has one of the lowest Population densities. The country is Bigger than Germany but has only 10 Million people living there. Still even regarding this, Sweden has a Higher Death per 1 Million than even the US.

Secondly, it's not working. Compare their numbers to their neighboars. Country with similar density.

Why should I stop? Their data is extremely insightful since they are the only one's doing what they're doing (in terms of countries with data that we can trust). In regards to the deaths per 1 million metric, Sweden's argument is that their deaths will be front loaded compared to their neighbors. We won't know if they are right for a while now, but we can already see that their growth rate in both cases and deaths is *slowing* down without a lockdown. Their trajectory is different from their neighbors, but nevertheless, their growth is slowing down. Look at this comparison between Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. Sure, their absolute deaths are higher, but you'd think their growth rate would be insane compared to their neighbors who decided to lockdown. It isn't.

COVID-19 Data Explorer

Explore global data on COVID-19.

ourworldindata.org

Also, in regards to population density, 19 states in the US have lower population density than Sweden.

 

[008]

Numbers are low here in the OC. Hopefully the next couple weeks does the trick. This sucks out here. Lot's of small places will be ruined forever.

yep, a lot of places will be ruined after all this.

I just don't see how things can ever return to normal until we've either developed herd immunity or there is an effective cure or vaccine.

If things return to normal, even if there were no cases(unlikely), airline travelers would reintroduce the virus, and cases would start going up again.

Yep, this is why I don't get why every state is doing their own thing. What's going to happen when Floridians dogpiles California for vacation. All that time California stays home while our state is getting ready to open

 

[cryptoadam]

I'm also in QC, was referencing to the UK and Italy numbers but this is even better. Where is this from?

Quebec goverment website.

Also last report said 1034 out of 1340 cases were from senior residences.

Were opening day cares and primary schools on may 19th

 

[cryptoadam]

The 2 swedes i posted said the deaths were being drivin by clusters in old age homes.

Not sure if true but thats what happened where i live.

 

[Moogle11]

Yep, this is why I don't get why every state is doing their own thing. What's going to happen when Floridians dogpiles California for vacation. All that time California stays home while our state is getting ready to open

Yeah, a lot of people are focused on metro areas-as they should be as thats most of the worst hot spots right now. However, I worry a bit that rural counties that haven't been hit hard that reopen first could see a surge as metro area folks where things are still shut down drive out there for restaurants, haircuts, open parks/trails etc.

It will be really important to ramp up testing and closely monitor this as rural areas have a higher percentage of at risk elderly folk. Those counties also have much fewer hospital beds, ventilators etc if they get hit hard like we're seeing in the counties around Albany, GA. Last I looked that cluster of counties had more deaths than Fulton and a Dekalb counties (the two that contain Atlanta city limits and many big suburban cities) that have millions more residents.

 

[autoduelist]

Just wondering, does 'the average person' not include the 30+ million Americans with diabetes ?

US population = 330 million.

30 million is less than 10%, so no, is not average.

Diabetes is closely linked to obesity, and both put you in a high risk group, meaning many who have one have the other and means they have multiple high risk factors. Obesity also puts strain on the heart, which is another high risk factor for covid, meaning we will naturally have a group of people with a triple threat: obesity, diabetes, heart problems. And those over 60 add an instant 4th.

If those people with those 4 interlinked conditions die at a heightened pace, it will throw off numbers across all individual groups as well. That is, if you hear x% of people with diabetes that get covid die, it may sound really high, but if we also consider age, heart, weight than that % would be less scary to a 25 year old with diabetes who is physically active. The same is true for all other conditions - the lack of specificity for what exact combinations of ills people are dying with has the side effect of inflating fear. To put it another way: If you learn a disease kills 2% of 25 year olds, it will scare everyone... if however you learn it kills 100% of redheads [2% of population] and 0% of others others, it suddenly becomes less scary to non-redheads.

 

[Nymphae]

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

US population = 330 million.

30 million is less than 10%, so no, is not average.

Diabetes is closely linked to obesity, and both put you in a high risk group, meaning many who have one have the other and means they have multiple high risk factors. Obesity also puts strain on the heart, which is another high risk factor for covid, meaning we will naturally have a group of people with a triple threat: obesity, diabetes, heart problems. And those over 60 add an instant 4th.

If those people with those 4 interlinked conditions die at a heightened pace, it will throw off numbers across all individual groups as well. That is, if you hear x% of people with diabetes that get covid die, it may sound really high, but if we also consider age, heart, weight than that % would be less scary to a 25 year old with diabetes who is physically active. The same is true for all other conditions - the lack of specificity for what exact combinations of ills people are dying with has the side effect of inflating fear. To put it another way: If you learn a disease kills 2% of 25 year olds, it will scare everyone... if however you learn it kills 100% of redheads [2% of population] and 0% of others others, it suddenly becomes less scary to non-redheads.

I've heard more than 2/3rds of americans are either overweight or obese. I've also heard many also have prediabetes or diabetes. edit:

The National Center for Health Statistics estimates that, for 2015-2016 in the U.S., 39.8% of adults aged 20 and over were obese (including 7.6% with severe obesity) and that another 31.8% were overweight. Obesity rates have increased for all population groups in the United States over the last several decades. -wiki

Prediabetes is a serious health condition where blood sugar levels are higher than normal, but not high enough yet to be diagnosed as type 2 diabetes. Approximately 88 million American adults—more than 1 in 3—have prediabetes. Of those with prediabetes, more than 80% don't know they have it. -cdc

 

[hariseldon]

Don't like the sound of this...

Tyson Foods chairman warns: 'The food supply chain is breaking'

In recent weeks, the poultry producer has suspended operations at plants across the country.

www.nbcnews.com

I have meat for months freezer but might just go get some more to be safe.

 

[Jtibh]

Please someone order a million winnie the pooh bobbleheads


Chinese factory overwhelmed with Fauci bobblehead orders, uses cash to buy masks in China https://www.rt.com/news/486932-fauci-bobblehead-china-factory/

 

[Chaplain]

Excellent news...

 

[eot]

Why should I stop? Their data is extremely insightful since they are the only one's doing what they're doing (in terms of countries with data that we can trust). In regards to the deaths per 1 million metric, Sweden's argument is that their deaths will be front loaded compared to their neighbors.

Yup, their argument is more or less that the disease won't be eradicated globally, and you have to be planning more long term than the next month or two. We'll see who's right, but I can already tell that even when this is over people will still disagree.

 

[cryptoadam]

Excellent news...

Oh man I want to make a racist joke about monkeys but I wont, instead I can make it about Orcs.

 

[ManaByte]

Trump doing a press beating today. Questions just started.

 

[JORMBO]

The questions were pretty good .... up until then.

 

[ManaByte]

The Rockefellers? SERIOUSLY?

 

[Jayjayhd34]

Wow he actually held himself back

 

[ManaByte]

Tomorrow's headline: "TRUMP REFUSES RESPONSIBILITY FOR PEOPLE BEING IDIOTS"

 

[darkestdame]

John with the receipts.

Let's play the tapes!

 

[ManaByte]

Even Pence is punching back!

 

[darkestdame]

lol John has him juelzing like crazy

 

[cryptoadam]

Going hard on China.

 

[JORMBO]

A Russia 2016 election question.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

Kims dead

 

[ManaByte]

Holy shit at that Vietnam question.

 

[JORMBO]

Holy shit at that Vietnam question.

Glad this conference wasn't long. Once they start to drag on you get the really dumb questions like that.

 

[Sejan]

Man, it's already hard to find at stores and it's not like I have some giant meat freezer even if I was able to stock up that hard.

One thing you might try is to cut the amount of meat you use at once. As an example, my family used to use a pound of meat in spaghetti, but we cut it to a half pound years ago. We used to eat a chicken breast each in a meal. Now we cut them in half and use quite a bit less. It makes the meat that we buy go a lot further than it used to. It had an added benefit of reducing our grocery expenses, too.

We used to go through 30-40 pounds of meat a month as a family. Now it's closer to 10-20.

Another option for storing additional meat is to cut back on other freezer items if there are similar alternatives that don't require freezing. For example, instead of buying frozen waffles you could buy pancake mix. While I prefer waffles over pancakes, I have far more storage at room temperature than I do in the freezer.

 

[rykomatsu]

Yeah, I picked up a relatively small freezer back in March and bought 50 lbs. of New York Steak (uncut) from Costco. Might make another run later this month.

Central Texas farmers survive selling directly to customers

There may be a pandemic going on but Dripping Springs farmer Amelia Sweethardt still has to get up to get those 70 goats milked every day at 5 a.m., and again and 5 p.m. Although she lost the busi…

www.statesman.com

Not just direct at the farms, but also farmer's markets too. We also have delivered produce / meat boxes around here quite a bit too, though those tend to be bulk buys (ie. minimum $50 or $100/box).

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Glad this conference wasn't long. Once they start to drag on them you get the really dumb questions like that.

This was going to be the main narrative for last week before the bleach injections took over.

 

[Joe T.]

Holy shit at that Vietnam question.

Yeah, that was a cheap shot, but his response showed that he's adjusted the way he handles that nonsense. He saw how the ridiculous questions were starting to pile up and called it quits, a smart move. He comes out looking like the bigger man, not stooping to their level. A disappointment because those fireworks can be entertaining, but I'm sure a lot of people are tired of enduring that during the virus briefings.

Anyone know that Asian reporter he brushed off?

I absolutely loved it when he called Pence up to answer the question about testing. When Pence told ABC's Jonathan Karl it was a misunderstanding on his part a grin came over Trump's face and I burst out laughing.

 

[cryptoadam]

Accoring to NY JAMA study and Dr Campell

people admited to hospitals had the following underlying conditions as the top 3.

Hypertension 56.6%
Obesity 41.7%
Diabites 33.8%

Better get on a diet to outrun that CV.

 

[rykomatsu]

Accoring to NY JAMA study and Dr Campell

people admited to hospitals had the following underlying conditions as the top 3.

Hypertension 56.6%
Obesity 41.7%
Diabites 33.8%

Better get on a diet to outrun that CV.

Keto + exercise for a week or 2 will get hypertension and blood sugar down quite a bit (obviously you need to sustain this...)

Obesity...not so much...

 

[Deleted member 17706]

This is what Trump was talking about when he ranted about the "tests he inherited," but of course the media took his words literally and decided to have a laugh about how he couldn't have inherited any COVID-19 tests! Looking into what the old testing capabilities were like and what this private-public partnership actually aimed to change? Nah, that sounds like actual hard work.

 

[cryptoadam]

 

[Malakhov]

Quebec goverment website.

Also last report said 1034 out of 1340 cases were from senior residences.

Were opening day cares and primary schools on may 19th

Found the link for it thanks

Yeah, my kids will be returning to school.

I work in a big Montreal hospital, all the errors that were made hit the senior residences pretty badly but that's not in the media... It was handled horribly

 

[fatty]

Obesity 41.7%

Better get on a diet to outrun that CV.

Context for those who are not NBA fans.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Glad this conference wasn't long. Once they start to drag on you get the really dumb questions like that.

I wonder if that lady asking the question knew that millions of Americans die every year.

 

[Kazza]

I have seen that before. 100 a day ftom 700 is too sharp a drop to not be sceptical.

So what figures should we expect tomorrow?

That 100 figure will be added to in the coming days as some of the other deaths that occurred that day are subsequently recording as being due to covid-19. If you look at the graph again you'll see the orange colour at the top of previous days figures. Those represent subsequent confirmation of death from covid that we retrospectively added on that day.

 

[cryptoadam]

Found the link for it thanks

Yeah, my kids will be returning to school.

I work in a big Montreal hospital, all the errors that were made hit the senior residences pretty badly but that's not in the media... It was handled horribly

Seems like May 19th is the date. Your kids are in elemetary/day care? HS schools and up are done from the sounds of it.

Ya what happened in the residence is tragic and really shitty the situation got to it. They basically left the most vulnerable to fend for themselves.

 

[cryptoadam]

France limits nicotine sales after researchers say it may protect against coronavirus

Study based on 483 patients suggested smokers were infected with Covid-19 less than others

www.independent.co.uk

Oh boy if Trump mentions this cigarettes are going to fly off the shelves.

 

[Malakhov]

Seems like May 19th is the date. Your kids are in elemetary/day care? HS schools and up are done from the sounds of it.

Ya what happened in the residence is tragic and really shitty the situation got to it. They basically left the most vulnerable to fend for themselves.

Yeah both are in elementary school so they will be going back. Pretty ridiculous for HS schools if you ask me

As far as residences go, mistakes were done in hospitals that made matter worst like where I work at but I'm hesitant to talk about it publicly, I don't want to get into trouble

 

[cryptoadam]

Yeah both are in elementary school so they will be going back. Pretty ridiculous for HS schools if you ask me

As far as residences go, mistakes were done in hospitals that made matter worst like where I work at but I'm hesitant to talk about it publicly, I don't want to get into trouble

No problem.

Keep safe out there. Hopefully we know what were doing and get through this.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

is this my fuck china news?

 

[autoduelist]

I've heard more than 2/3rds of americans are either overweight or obese. I've also heard many also have prediabetes or diabetes. edit:

[/QUOTE]

Yes, but if the contagion level is as wide spread as suggested, and the death rate is actually really low, relatively, that means simple obesity is not a death sentence. If you are obese, over 45, and have diabetes try to avoid getting it. If you are obese, have heart problems, and are over 80, do not go outside.

But if you are 30 and just have a spare tire? Some risk, but not a death sentence.

If all the studies coming out now are correct, this simply is not as bad as we were led to believe based on vids from China and early reporting from Italy. We feared a 10% death rate overrunning hospitals nation wide. We thankfully did not get that, and we didn't even get overrun in nyc.

this is extremely good news. The doomsayers were wrong. It was fair to fear the worst back when Italy was overrun and giving bad numbers... but now? We will be okay. This is good news. Great news. If people are still treating it as the black death 2, they are suffering from mass hysteria.

 

[Jtibh]

Our pride ans glory.
Our prime minister who works so hard to help us through this pandemic, showering us with financial aid and moral support.
All hail to our prime minister

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Yes, but if the contagion level is as wide spread as suggested, and the death rate is actually really low, relatively, that means simple obesity is not a death sentence.

it is conceivable the antibodies detected for covid19 are actually generated in response to other similar viruses that have been going around.

Ideas like 20+% spread with lockdowns and in such short amount of time seem unreasonable.

The cruises which are closed environments have seen 2~% death rate. Even now from the diagnosed cases, there has been a 20~% death rate to 80% recovery rate globally. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?

 

[cryptoadam]

it is conceivable the antibodies detected for covid19 are actually generated in response to other similar viruses that have been going around.

Ideas like 20+% spread with lockdowns and in such short amount of time seem unreasonable.

The cruises which are closed environments have seen 2~% death rate. Even now from the diagnosed cases, there has been a 20~% death rate to 80% recovery rate globally. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?

I would like to see the demographics of the deaths of the DP. I bet you its all people 60+.

The Navy ship is a better example to look at it. It had 1 death, and that person being 41. Its made up of usually young and fit people so its a better look at the effects on a healthy population.

Did the DP test everyone on the ship or just those that were symptomatic?

 

[ManaByte]

Exasperation Grows Over Delays Trying To Sign Up For Unemployment, 'People Have No Food, People Are Talking About Suicide'

Many New York and New Jersey residents are losing hope, and are out of cash.

newyork.cbslocal.com

 

[autoduelist]

it is conceivable the antibodies detected for covid19 are actually generated in response to other similar viruses that have been going around.

Ideas like 20+% spread with lockdowns and in such short amount of time seem unreasonable.

The cruises which are closed environments have seen 2~% death rate. Even now from the diagnosed cases, there has been a 20~% death rate to 80% recovery rate globally. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?

The idea is it spread in NYC before the lockdown, but mortality is so low we didn't even realize it given most deaths were people who already were dying and it looked like a flu.

Cruise ships are notoriously full of old and overweight people and, without knowing demographic representation on board, are not a good metric for death rate.

The idea this has a 20% death rate is bunk at this point. That is borderline Black Death [33% in Europe]. Absolutely not the case. Based on reports from NYC, San diego, etc, we aren't even at 1%. There is no chance of 20% simply based on looking at NYC cases.

 

[Chittagong]

A hodge podge of stuff on death rates:

Study suggests coronavirus could kill 0.5% of infected people in NYC

Predictions University of California, Berkeley, researchers made based on death data out of Italy claim that a 0.5 percent fatality rate is a 'conservative' estimate for New York City.

www.dailymail.co.uk