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The Guardian below. This is what we have to push back against. And they wonder why we go to IW/AJ and alternative media (thanks Rogan) for truth and sanity. Underlined is mine.

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"She had suffered a lack of oxygen at birth that caused severe brain damage, had been left paralysed from the waist down after a life-saving operation on her spine aged 19, had been intubated and suffered kidney damage six years ago with sepsis and was in hospital with chest infections regularly throughout her life."

Then, next paragraph:

"So it was coronavirus that killed her. It wasn't her 'underlying conditions'."

www.theguardian.com

My sister died of coronavirus. She needed care, but her life was not disposable | Rory Kinnear

I hope our focus in future is the easing of lives such as Karina’s, says actor Rory Kinnear
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Djau said:
Its terrible health signposting that has lead people to think Vitamin D has a serious affect in stopping Coronavirus, it won't stop you getting it or how bad you get it.
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You have any proof to that?

Not saying its a cure but there are studies showing vitamin D deficincy can lead to 10 times the mortality, and there are lots of protocols that give Vitamin D.

What are you basing that Vitamin does nothing on ?
 
cryptoadam said:
You have any proof to that?

Not saying its a cure but there are studies showing vitamin D deficincy can lead to 10 times the mortality, and there are lots of protocols that give Vitamin D.

What are you basing that Vitamin does nothing on ?
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Its a supplement; if your eating a balanced diet you don't need a supplement. Eating fish, cheese, mushrooms etc will provide enough vitamin D as will the sun. Taking it is HELPFUL, but its not a sole cure and there are people trying to push a 'take your vitamin D pill, and you'll be fine working' narrative.
 
Djau said:
Its a supplement; if your eating a balanced diet you don't need a supplement. Eating fish, cheese, mushrooms etc will provide enough vitamin D as will the sun. Taking it is HELPFUL, but its not a sole cure and there are people trying to push a 'take your vitamin D pill, and you'll be fine working' narrative.
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Most people aren't getting enough vitamin D, especially in northern climates and black people are hit extra hard because their skin doesn't absorb vitamin D so well. I notice lefty types denying vitamin D - I wonder why.
 
hariseldon said:
Most people aren't getting enough vitamin D, especially in northern climates and black people are hit extra hard because their skin doesn't absorb vitamin D so well. I notice lefty types denying vitamin D - I wonder why.
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Eat more fish.

If you want further confirmation; look at countries with a lot of sunlight and see how they're still getting hit hard.
 
Djau said:
Its a supplement; if your eating a balanced diet you don't need a supplement. Eating fish, cheese, mushrooms etc will provide enough vitamin D as will the sun. Taking it is HELPFUL, but its not a sole cure and there are people trying to push a 'take your vitamin D pill, and you'll be fine working' narrative.
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Yes its not a cure. Problem is a lot of people don't eat a balanced diet so taking a supplement can't hurt(as long as a doctor says so).

I would take vitamin D, C, Zinc and get sun and exercise. It won't cure you or prevent anything, but all data shows the worse shape you are in the higher likely hood you have of dying. I would also agree on eating a better diet as you pointed out above.
 
hariseldon said:
Most people aren't getting enough vitamin D, especially in northern climates and black people are hit extra hard because their skin doesn't absorb vitamin D so well. I notice lefty types denying vitamin D - I wonder why.
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Sir? SIR? Please don't associate any bilogical facts to the woke agenda. We all know it's the alt right that is killing off BAME.

Shame on you for trying to obfuscate narritive with the truth. SHAME.
 
Djau said:
Its a supplement; if your eating a balanced diet you don't need a supplement. Eating fish, cheese, mushrooms etc will provide enough vitamin D as will the sun. Taking it is HELPFUL, but its not a sole cure and there are people trying to push a 'take your vitamin D pill, and you'll be fine working' narrative.
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Well there are two parts of the Vitamin D claims.

On the one hand, someone with a Vitamin D deficiency might as well be classified as immunocompromised if it's bad enough. These folks would want to increase that, whether it's by sun exposure or diet or supplements. Telling them to get more Vitamin D is going to keep them healthier, on average.

On the other hand, there's also evidence to suggest the body can utilize a surplus of Vitamin D to recover / avoid upper respiratory diseases:

Epidemiologic studies have found high vitamin D levels to be associated with lower risk of infections of the upper respiratory tract (colds). 4000 IE/day vitamin D supplementation is found to significantly increase the probability of staying infection free during the study period.​

Self-Care for Common Colds: The Pivotal Role of Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Zinc, and Echinacea in Three Main Immune Interactive Clusters (Physical Barriers, Innate and Adaptive Immunity) Involved during an Episode of Common Colds—Practical Advice on Dosag

Maintaining a normal healthy immune defense system lowers the incidence and/or the severity of symptoms and/or the duration of common cold (CC). Physical barriers and innate and adaptive immunity have been involved during a CC episode. Vitamins C ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

That's far above the daily supplement recommendation of 600 IU for an adult. There's enough evidence to suggest it will help and it's a very inexpensive and widespread supplement.

Folks should be self-dosing a bit of Vitamin C, D, and Magnesium during flu season every year anyway, if nothing else. The immune system is highly sensitive to nutritional deficiencies but can also make use of surplus amounts (within reason).

In what ways would those things not apply to coronavirus?
 
hariseldon said:
Most people aren't getting enough vitamin D, especially in northern climates and black people are hit extra hard because their skin doesn't absorb vitamin D so well. I notice lefty types denying vitamin D - I wonder why.
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Idk if it's leftists really. I have found that the doomers and the coronaphobes who refuse to open their windows until a 100% effective vaccine will guarantee their safety are incredibly quick to dispel studies that show promise. Sure their are some overlaps, but I think there are people all over the political spectrum who have lost their minds and are awaiting the end of times.
 
The Scrivener said:
The Guardian below. This is what we have to push back against. And they wonder why we go to IW/AJ and alternative media (thanks Rogan) for truth and sanity. Underlined is mine.

First:

"She had suffered a lack of oxygen at birth that caused severe brain damage, had been left paralysed from the waist down after a life-saving operation on her spine aged 19, had been intubated and suffered kidney damage six years ago with sepsis and was in hospital with chest infections regularly throughout her life."

Then, next paragraph:

"So it was coronavirus that killed her. It wasn't her 'underlying conditions'."

www.theguardian.com

My sister died of coronavirus. She needed care, but her life was not disposable | Rory Kinnear

I hope our focus in future is the easing of lives such as Karina’s, says actor Rory Kinnear
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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If she had all those conditions, and was shot to death, what would you blame for it?
 
holygeesus said:
If she had all those conditions, and was shot to death, what would you blame for it?
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Such a poor low-effort post. Being shot is not related to your existing state of health. On the other hand, a virus is. If you're already fucked the virus just tips you over the edge. You can be as healthy as a horse but a bullet to the head is still going to kill most people (though there's a good chance you'd survive and we wouldn't even notice the difference).
 
hariseldon said:
Such a poor low-effort post. Being shot is not related to your existing state of health. On the other hand, a virus is. If you're already fucked the virus just tips you over the edge. You can be as healthy as a horse but a bullet to the head is still going to kill most people (though there's a good chance you'd survive and we wouldn't even notice the difference).
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Good lord it isn't difficult. The virus killed her. She had managed just fine negotiating life, despite her disabilities, and would have continued to do so if not struck down by the covid. Thank you for the kind words in regard my stoicism though. A true intellectual heavyweight such as yourself - it means a lot.
 
holygeesus said:
If she had all those conditions, and was shot to death, what would you blame for it?
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It would be misleading and disingenuous though to imply that healthy people would experience similar effects wouldn't it? This story tells me that someone with a multitude of lifelong conditions succumbed to an illness that I would probably have a good chance of surviving.
 


Hearing him discuss his bout with corona is really horrible. He had it really bad. He said it was the worst pain of his life he wanted to die just so it would end.
 
Nymphae said:
It would be misleading and disingenuous though to imply that healthy people would experience similar effects wouldn't it? This story tells me that someone with a multitude of lifelong conditions succumbed to an illness that I would probably have a good chance of surviving.
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I guess that is important if you only care about how the virus would affect you. Sure.
 
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holygeesus said:
I guess that is important if you only care about how the virus would affect you. Sure.
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I think it's important that the reporting attempt to inform accurately and not fear monger.

It's less about how it affects me personally, but about what the realities are for the majority of healthy individuals. It serves nobody to try and scare healthy people into thinking they are just as at risk.
 
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holygeesus said:
Good lord it isn't difficult. The virus killed her. She had managed just fine negotiating life, despite her disabilities, and would have continued to do so if not struck down by the covid. Thank you for the kind words in regard my stoicism though. A true intellectual heavyweight such as yourself - it means a lot.
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"She had suffered a lack of oxygen at birth that caused severe brain damage, had been left paralysed from the waist down after a life-saving operation on her spine aged 19, had been intubated and suffered kidney damage six years ago with sepsis and was in hospital with chest infections regularly throughout her life."
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I'd hate to know how you would define "managed negotiating life poorly"...jesus fucking christ, cognitive dissonance much?
 
DunDunDunpachi said:
Headlines 3 months from now: California economies -- from the local to the state level -- in shambles. How could this have happened?!
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I have been thinking for a while that this is a huge (if morbid) opportunity for non-coastal US cities to steal economic leadership away from those experiencing extended lockdown.
 
DunDunDunpachi said:
Well there are two parts of the Vitamin D claims.

On the one hand, someone with a Vitamin D deficiency might as well be classified as immunocompromised if it's bad enough. These folks would want to increase that, whether it's by sun exposure or diet or supplements. Telling them to get more Vitamin D is going to keep them healthier, on average.

On the other hand, there's also evidence to suggest the body can utilize a surplus of Vitamin D to recover / avoid upper respiratory diseases:

Epidemiologic studies have found high vitamin D levels to be associated with lower risk of infections of the upper respiratory tract (colds). 4000 IE/day vitamin D supplementation is found to significantly increase the probability of staying infection free during the study period.​

Self-Care for Common Colds: The Pivotal Role of Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Zinc, and Echinacea in Three Main Immune Interactive Clusters (Physical Barriers, Innate and Adaptive Immunity) Involved during an Episode of Common Colds—Practical Advice on Dosag

Maintaining a normal healthy immune defense system lowers the incidence and/or the severity of symptoms and/or the duration of common cold (CC). Physical barriers and innate and adaptive immunity have been involved during a CC episode. Vitamins C ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

That's far above the daily supplement recommendation of 600 IU for an adult. There's enough evidence to suggest it will help and it's a very inexpensive and widespread supplement.

Folks should be self-dosing a bit of Vitamin C, D, and Magnesium during flu season every year anyway, if nothing else. The immune system is highly sensitive to nutritional deficiencies but can also make use of surplus amounts (within reason).

In what ways would those things not apply to coronavirus?
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A Vaccine is a bigger priority though, as its what will actually prevent infection. Your article there dips a little too deep into botanicals that aren't proven (in this case, Echinacea. In the UK, herbal medicine is considered iffy). Vitamin D is fine for general health advice, but its unproven to be effective against coronavirus.

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Thank fuck someone cares about lives there. Now, to get a UBI-lite put into place in form of a Furlough scheme to save workers jobs.
 
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hariseldon said:
Most people aren't getting enough vitamin D, especially in northern climates and black people are hit extra hard because their skin doesn't absorb vitamin D so well. I notice lefty types denying vitamin D - I wonder why.
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You know why. Post anything like it on the Guardian website and your comments are getting deleted. Trust me, I've had it happen, regardless of posting links to many studies about it.

Also it is Vitamin d3 that's important. People simply don't get enough from the sun, and it takes time to absorb into the body, the darker the skin the longer it takes, naturally since darker skinned people originate from areas with a lot of sunlight. And if you have a wash let's say within 12 hours of being in the sun, then you're back to square one. Vitamin D2 tends to come from a balanced diet, and that isn't enough alone, nor is the sun to be frank.
 
Djau said:
A Vaccine is a bigger priority though, as its what will actually prevent infection. Your article there dips a little too deep into botanicals that aren't proven (in this case, Echinacea. In the UK, herbal medicine is considered iffy). Vitamin D is fine for general health advice, but its unproven to be effective against coronavirus.



Thank fuck someone cares about lives there. Now, to get a UBI-lite put into place in form of a Furlough scheme to save workers jobs.
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you don't get it, the lockdown isn't actually saving lives. It's destroying them. It forces us to live in literally inhuman conditions (without human interaction) and destroys their livelihoods. All for a virus that, as long as you are under 70 and healthy, you will recover from at a 99.95% or so rate. Nobody wants UBI with government money that doesn't exist to trigger inflation, we want to get on with our lives.

Studies have shown that 1% increases in unemployment correspond to thousands of deaths, mental health episodes, increase in drug and alcohol abuse, etc. Well the unemployment rate has gone up 15%. This is a human catastrophe, not COVID, but what governments have done to their citizens.

go read about the Great Depression, see if that was a good time for all. This stuff has real human costs that will and I would argue already are far exceeding the COVID-19.

The lockdown is not effective at stopping COVID 19, for the millionth time. It is just drawing out agony.
 
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Djau said:
Thank fuck someone cares about lives there. Now, to get a UBI-lite put into place in form of a Furlough scheme to save workers jobs.
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here's something for you while you fantasize about dictatorial government oversight
 
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I am sadly anticipating when the lower income communities are in complete economic shambles with homelessness skyrocketing and the media will screech, "How did this happens!? Why wasn't enough done!?"

Yeah, these politicians don't give a fuck about the long term harm and devestation they are doing to lower and middle class. They and their donors will make it through this extended lockdown just fine. Until it happens. And they will shift the blame to any fucking thing than their own draconian actions.

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Here's a funny for everyone downplaying the "wealth isn't worth lives." Politicians are still making money. Billionaires and millionaires are still making money. Multinational conglomerates are making money. Many people with cushy white collar jobs that can work remotely are doing fine. Guess who isn;t? Small businesses and many employees that are deemed non essential. I guess "economic growth isn't worth it" only applies to the lower classes. Yeah, tough shit for all them... right?
 
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Djau said:
A Vaccine is a bigger priority though, as its what will actually prevent infection. Your article there dips a little too deep into botanicals that aren't proven (in this case, Echinacea. In the UK, herbal medicine is considered iffy). Vitamin D is fine for general health advice, but its unproven to be effective against coronavirus.



Thank fuck someone cares about lives there. Now, to get a UBI-lite put into place in form of a Furlough scheme to save workers jobs.
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What prevents someone from shoring up their immune system with vitamin D in addition to other health-bolstering practices? The suggestion isn't to abandon all other medical avenues and just focus on maxing out your Vitamin D stat.
 
ManaByte said:
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Cuomo had a good graph in his presser today, that basically in terms of hospitalizations and shit we are back to where we were in early March. So it was about two months from there to here. Of course go back in time two weeks prior to that and nobody gave a shit (even though COVID was already in our lives).

And it's May... yet... CSU is shutting down their system for September! It's totally irrational. If you're not actively talking about how to open up and giving a timeframe to do so, you're crazy at this point. We really should have been at that stage weeks ago, once it became clear the lockdown wasn't necessary. But to tighten the screws at this point is just irrational.
 
diffusionx said:
Cuomo had a good graph in his presser today, that basically in terms of hospitalizations and shit we are back to where we were in early March. So it was about two months from there to here. Of course go back in time two weeks prior to that and nobody gave a shit (even though COVID was already in our lives).

And it's May... yet... CSU is shutting down their system for September! It's totally irrational. If you're not actively talking about how to open up and giving a timeframe to do so, you're crazy at this point. We really should have been at that stage weeks ago, once it became clear the lockdown wasn't necessary. But to tighten the screws at this point is just irrational.
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CA is going to stay locked down until November. Pelosi doesn't want the congress seats in OC flipping red, so she told her Nephew to keep the state locked down until November so no one can campaign.

But CA will be in open civil war before then, so it doesn't matter.
 
Djau said:
Its a supplement; if your eating a balanced diet you don't need a supplement. Eating fish, cheese, mushrooms etc will provide enough vitamin D as will the sun. Taking it is HELPFUL, but its not a sole cure and there are people trying to push a 'take your vitamin D pill, and you'll be fine working' narrative.
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Low vitamin D levels appears to be a contributing factor to the cytotoxic storm that some patients experience. Almost every grown person on the northern hemisphere can do with some boosting, esp. after winter, it plays a major role in the immune system and you don't want to be short. You can eat pretty staggering amounts before the liver takes damage, upwards to 300000 IU, in a day.
 
bonk64 said:
Fuck man im here. Well LB/LA. That's way too long. 😭
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Iron Maiden's Eddie knows more than you and you'd better listen to her!

The same time LA was doing that, Riverside was sending a 33 page document to Newsom to try to get the county on the fast-track to opening.
 
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Just got my Vitamin D from the pharmacy along with some over the counter zinc and Vitamin C.

Also lose weight if you can its another killer from CV. And being overweight aint gonna help with your hypertension or diabetes.

My pharmacy had like 50 boxes of 50 masks, and then probably another 50 of 30 masks. No reason why people shouldn't be wearing masks when they go out now.
 
ManaByte said:
CA is going to stay locked down until November. Pelosi doesn't want the congress seats in OC flipping red, so she told her Nephew to keep the state locked down until November so no one can campaign.

But CA will be in open civil war before then, so it doesn't matter.
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Do you have a source for your claims?
 
Starlight Lotice said:
Just to update on my Symptoms.

2 weeks on and I still get pains in my lungs and back but hopefully getting better.

I have had a total of 6 nights thinking I might die because of the chest pain and heavy breathing. Still get the heavy breathing sometimes but trying to control it with a Inhaler as well as Paracetemol.

It honestly feels like your insides are tightening all the time and when you move it can really hurt, standing up and moving can help but it never lasts.

If this is mild, then I fear a more aggressive version.

It seems some people can still have problems 7 weeks on but so far those I know who have it say it lasts for 3 weeks and you can have other symptoms.

Hoping I took a turn for the better anyhow. I can still move around and stuff but you sometimes get 20 to 30 minutes of excruciating pains and you literally have to try and breathe heavily and calmly and not move around.

You can't execise, panic or look at porn as it can make it much worse.
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Just got tested today. Been feeling slight chest pain for 2 days on and off. I mostly feel it later on in the day. Like today I thought it was gone but started feeling it again around 6:00pm. I hope it's just anxiety
 
Plague Doctor said:
I am sadly anticipating when the lower income communities are in complete economic shambles with homelessness skyrocketing and the media will screech, "How did this happens!? Why wasn't enough done!?"

Yeah, these politicians don't give a fuck about the long term harm and devestation they are doing to lower and middle class. They and their donors will make it through this extended lockdown just fine. Until it happens. And they will shift the blame to any fucking thing than their own draconian actions.

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Here's a funny for everyone downplaying the "wealth isn't worth lives." Politicians are still making money. Billionaires and millionaires are still making money. Multinational conglomerates are making money. Many people with cushy white collar jobs that can work remotely are doing fine. Guess who isn;t? Small businesses and many employees that are deemed non essential. I guess "economic growth isn't worth it" only applies to the lower classes. Yeah, tough shit for all them... right?
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This doesn't even make sense if we ignore that Democrats are trying to give more stimulus to the people, and provide unemployment benefits that would exceed a low income workers salary.
 
DragoonKain said:


Hearing him discuss his bout with corona is really horrible. He had it really bad. He said it was the worst pain of his life he wanted to die just so it would end.
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he is right, about the ventilator when the machine is doing all the breathing for you. I feel the same way when they try to put me on oxygen 24/7 to drag an oxygen tank everywhere with me. I see other people with Sickle Cell with oxygen tanks all the time and I know there is no way you can ever get off it without dying because you are not working to breath anymore.

This dude's story is scary, he gave it to his mom and she beats it in one day crazy
 
HR 6666: Illinois Democrat Introduces $100 Billion Contact Tracing Bill

Illinois Democratic Rep. Bobby Rush has introduced the H.R. 6666 TRACE Act, which includes a $100 billion grant program which would authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to create an army of contact tracers operating through healthcare, schools and nonprofit entities, who would perform COVID-19 diagnostic testing "through mobile health units and, as necessary, at individuals' residences, and for other purposes."

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Absolutely. My bill, the COVID-19 TRACE Act (H.R. 6666) would create a $100 BILLION grant program for local organizations to hire, train, and pay individuals to operate mobile testing units and conduct contact tracing in hot spots and medically underserved areas. https://t.co/5YGK34ifsU
— Bobby L. Rush (@RepBobbyRush) May 5, 2020
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Last week, former President Clinton, NY Governor Cuomo, Chelsea Clinton and CA Governor Newsom called for an 'army of contact tracers' to monitor citizens who have tested positive for COVID-19 and their contacts - shortly after which the Washington DC Department of Health posted job listings for investigators with "Trace Force."
Those who sign on will interview those who have tested positive for the virus - collecting "demographic, clinical, social and historical data," while "conducting an assessment to determine whether safe isolation can be achieved at home." The program is a 13-month appointment.
Those who have been in contact with a positive case will be contacted to assess whether they have symptoms and require quarantine, and will 'appropriate escalate' cases when needed. Investigators will also use 'data management systems' to log interactions.
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