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HellforLeather said:
The food-black-people-like stereotype always seemed bizarre to me. Who sat down and thought "lets compile all the most delicious foods and use them as a slight against black people for enjoying them!"

...like, what?
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Seriously Watermelon is one of the top tier fruits, and grape soda/juice/drink is the best fruit flavored drink.
 
HellforLeather said:
Werent they basically too deadly to survive? Viruses that kill their hosts off quickly tend to be difficult to propagate.
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The severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak in 2003 resulted in more than 8000 cases and 800 deaths. SARS was eventually contained by means of syndromic surveillance, prompt isolation of patients, strict enforcement of quarantine of all contacts, and in some areas top-down enforcement of community quarantine. By interrupting all human-to-human transmission, SARS was effectively eradicated.
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cryptoadam said:
Im just wondering whats the plan if the vaccine doesn't work. Oxford says it works in monkeys but it still needs to be proven to work in humans.

So what if the vaccine basket fails? Whats the plan then? Its a very real possibility that all this optimism around a vaccine is just that and we are going to need a plan b.
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Honestly, Im not putting much faith in a vaccine. I think therapy research will be much more promising solution in the long term. If we could drastically reduce the fatality rate and hospitalization rate of people who get COVID, that would be a huge win.
 
cryptoadam said:
Im just wondering whats the plan if the vaccine doesn't work. Oxford says it works in monkeys but it still needs to be proven to work in humans.

So what if the vaccine basket fails? Whats the plan then? Its a very real possibility that all this optimism around a vaccine is just that and we are going to need a plan b.
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There isn't a plan B. They'll just move the goalposts AGAIN to keep their socialist utopia lockdown going and the populous in house arrest.

Even IF a vaccine works, the narrative will change that we must now cure cancer before we let people out of their homes.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
as much as he speaks on Vitamin D I wonder why it is not being hoarded like toilet paper and masks yet
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No more shortages in Germany around me, they used to limit them per customer, now not even that.
Stuff returned in the following order: toilet paper > flour > yeast

cryptoadam said:
Im just wondering whats the plan if the vaccine doesn't work. Oxford says it works in monkeys but it still needs to be proven to work in humans.

So what if the vaccine basket fails? Whats the plan then? Its a very real possibility that all this optimism around a vaccine is just that and we are going to need a plan b.
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There are many different vaccines in development.
It could still happen that we won't get any even in 1 year, but it is less likely.

HellforLeather said:
Honestly, Im not putting much faith in a vaccine. I think therapy research will be much more promising solution in the long term. If we could drastically reduce the fatality rate and hospitalization rate of people who get COVID, that would be a huge win.
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Remsidivir failed to be the magic bullet, it has only limited effect and is expensive.
Oh, and there is no other drug in sight.
 
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The plan B is what they said originally which was that we are all going to get this thing and we just have to deal with it like we have for everything else.

Somewhere along the line the goals of the lockdown became misrepresented and we are supposed to think it is to eradicate this virus or have no new cases ever which is of course not happening.
 
diffusionx said:
Somewhere along the line the goals of the lockdown became misrepresented and we are supposed to think it is to eradicate this virus
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IIRC it was solely to avoid overloading hospitals. This was successful to my knowledge, yet the lockdowns persist out of fear of reigniting the outbreak. But many experts saying that we need healthy people exposed to combat it, others says nah doc fuck that I need a vaccine to go outside.

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"In fact, infected people without severe illness are the immediately available vehicle for establishing widespread immunity," Atlas wrote. "By transmitting the virus to others in the low-risk group who then generate antibodies, they block the network of pathways toward the most vulnerable people, ultimately ending the threat. Extending whole-population isolation would directly prevent that widespread immunity from developing."
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Nymphae said:
IIRC it was solely to avoid overloading hospitals. This was successful to my knowledge, yet the lockdowns persist out of fear of reigniting the outbreak. But many experts saying that we need healthy people exposed to combat it, others says nah doc fuck that I need a vaccine to go outside.

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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

Just came home from my neighbours bbq. They were in home isolation for 4 1/2 weeks due to them testing positive on covid 19. First the wife got it because of her work, and they had to stay 2 more weeks in isolation because the husband "could" have been infected aswell. All she ever had was some...
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Correct that was the stated purpose. Just keep hospitals from collapsing. It wasn't to eliminate the virus and it DEFINITELY wasn't to keep us all from spreading it until a vaccine. These are after the fact justifications to keep it going. Actually I wouldn't even say that because we are at a point where the lockdown people aren't even justifying it anymore, just demanding we stay inside and calling us racists and murderers if we don't like it.

Edit, Cuomo actually said flat out that the lockdown accomplished its goals which is why they're working on reopening based on a scorecard type system. Although it's slower than I would like.
 
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Vaccines and herd immunity in combination with effective treatments eventually eradicate individual strains of influenzas and other viruses.

The shutdowns and isolations make that eventual goal much easier to reach, insures hospitals aren't overloaded, and that supplies aren't depleted - but these are only needed for pandemics. They also insure millions less die in the process.
 
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ManaByte said:
There isn't a plan B. They'll just move the goalposts AGAIN to keep their socialist utopia lockdown going and the populous in house arrest.

Even IF a vaccine works, the narrative will change that we must now cure cancer before we let people out of their homes.
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Damn i forgot cancer is as contagious as Covid-19 and is also spread through droplets. I forgot it is Contagious at all!!!11
 
Major pet peeve:

People posting videos and pics of everyday people on social media who aren't wearing their masks properly trying to shame them. Like store clerks and stuff. Just fucking stop. There are proper ways to address it. Actually, ya know, tell the person.. or if that doesn't work speak to their boss and tell them why it's a concern.

Don't try to shame them to the world on social media when we all know the reason you're posting it isn't "awareness" but to get that dopamine fix of likes and retweets. Seriously, anyone who does this shit is a clown.
 
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Here's an encouraging graph.


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This graph shows the first dip in total active cases for the US. On top of that, this is due only to the rise of recoveries rather than an increase in death. Deaths have been largely flat for the past two months while recoveries have grown quickly. I'm adding this graph to show that data.


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Sejan said:
Here's an encouraging graph.


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This graph shows the first dip in total active cases for the US. On top of that, this is due only to the rise of recoveries rather than an increase in death. Deaths have been largely flat for the past two months while recoveries have grown quickly. I'm adding this graph to show that data.


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Good news. We all need America in good shape right now.
 
diffusionx said:
More like, "it is only killing the old and infirm, let's put our resources into protecting them while letting the rest of us live our lives."

That's only, you know, the way our civilization has been set up since the beginning. You forget that we are a species that built civilizations through shit like smallpox, polio, and the Black Plague, and found ways to go on. But keep fucking that chicken dude.
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Yeah, lock all the vulnerable people away so you can continue to live your life as you want. Amazing attitude.
 
holygeesus said:
Yeah, lock all the vulnerable people away so you can continue to live your life as you want. Amazing attitude.
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So it makes sense to lock up 100% of people, even those who face no risks from this, to protect the vulnerable fraction? Out of what, some ridiculous notion of solidarity? When has humanity ever acted in this way? What does that accomplish outside of worthless virtue signaling? Especially when the consequence is a tanked economy and people without the ability to provide for themselves and their families?

Much better to focus resources and protection on places like nursing homes. As we have learned recently, the esteemed lockdown geniuses enacted policies that put old folks directly in harms' way, and killed massive amounts of people as a result.
 
cryptoadam said:
Im just wondering whats the plan if the vaccine doesn't work. Oxford says it works in monkeys but it still needs to be proven to work in humans.

So what if the vaccine basket fails? Whats the plan then? Its a very real possibility that all this optimism around a vaccine is just that and we are going to need a plan b.
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That's the worst case scenario and also the most realistic.

This will be used to bring about sweeping changes. Cash and debit/credit card machines may get phased out, air travel will get slowed down yet again in the screening process and the fix to that unbearable delay will be to digitize everything and track everyone. World Bank's been studying digital ID for years, for example, just not in any of the richer, more advanced countries. US federal and state government officials have already brought up increased surveillance for contact tracing purposes.

Much has been said about South Korea's success in handling the virus, but the digital contact tracing there, in Singapore and in Australia has now been taken up to another level and, as this Forbes article suggests, it will probably displease a lot of people:

Without some level of mandatory requirement to use an app in order to work or travel, without penalties, no country will attain the 80% install base. Singapore started the push towards these types of Bluetooth apps with TraceTogether, and has only reached around 20-25% of its population. Others are seeing the same. Realistically, a 30% install base across a population would be a solid achievement, and that's nowhere close to being enough.

And so there's a serious irony to the latest news to come from Singapore. Hit by a second wave of infections and with the take-up of its TraceTogether app hovering at too low a level to make enough of a difference, the city state has moved to the next level, launching a new contact-tracing surveillance program that will strike fear into those groups campaigning against the use of these technologies.

From today, May 12, Singapore's SafeEntry goes fully operational. Anyone visiting a wide range of locations will need to check-in with either a national form of ID or by scanning a QR code on their smartphones. Those locations include workplaces, schools, stores, hotels and healthcare facilities. Businesses failing to check-in visitors or customers risk penalties. There are even moves to include check-in processes inside taxis and on other transit systems.

"Deployment will be made mandatory for places where individuals are likely to be in close proximity for prolonged periods or in enclosed spaces," explains the government, "or where there is higher traffic... Employees and visitors should check-in and check-out of workplaces and other venues using SafeEntry to help our contact tracers establish cluster links and transmission chains."
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Singapore is not alone. Australia's COVIDSafe tracing app, which is similar to Singapore's TraceTogether has prompted a range of privacy and data protection concerns, including the risk of a cyberattack on its central data repository and the risk that the data which is hosted on AWS might be accessed by U.S. authorities, given Amazon is a U.S. corporation.
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Singapore's SafeEntry system is a major setback for the idea that apps can operate independently of all those other measures, especially coming from relatively compliant Singapore, where take-up has been little better than is expected in the West. Those living in Europe and North America will assume Singapore's latest tracking measures are unlikely in their own countries, but fast forward a few weeks to further infection spikes and we may be surprised.
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This is going to be used to push us down the same path as China, favoring monitoring/security (and the top-down control that comes with it) over freedom. We've conceded a lot in the last 25 years for both security and convenience's sake. We accepted being tracked 24/7 online with internet cookies and we accepted being monitored 24/7 by our phones all for something as trivial as targeted advertisements. Will we fight it when it's sold to us as a means of protecting our health and economy?

The following goes down conspiracy lane so I'll just spoiler it, WaPo link and all: What if plan B was always plan A? This did originate from China. US and China are both racing to develop quantum computers, a headline from the Washington Post giving you an idea of its importance: "Why is Trump funding quantum computing research but cutting other science budgets?" Quantum aside, we've already seen some large scale hacks like Equifax attributed to China (source: Wired) and the US this month went on national emergency footing to protect itself (source: TechCrunch).

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holygeesus said:
Yeah, lock all the vulnerable people away so you can continue to live your life as you want. Amazing attitude.
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You are a ridiculous human being who makes arguments that cannot possibly be serious - I reckon you're trying to make lefties look bad. Fucking Trump-supporting nazi!
 
Djau said:
Why? they've never been great to the UK (though neither has china or russia.)
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Even if you dislike America (I'll wager if Hillary was President you'd take a different view) we need them as a counterweight to the totalitarian nightmare of China and the oligarch mafia playground of Russia.

If you genuinely consider them equal then there's no hope for you.
 
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hariseldon said:
Even if you dislike America (I'll wager if Hillary was President you'd take a different view) we need them as a counterweight to the totalitarian nightmare of China and the oligarch mafia playground of Russia.

If you genuinely consider them equal then there's no hope for you.
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Hillary's just the same as the rest of them, just as bad. EU being the counterbalance would be better for us as they hold their end of deals much better than America does but they don't seem to want that position.
HellforLeather said:
So I guess you guys had Germany right where you wanted them before we joined the war, right?

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No, that was Russia.
 
rykomatsu said:
What movies are they going to show...avengers reruns or something?
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Theaters are mostly all digital now. I'd prefer if they played older classics. The theater near me does sometimes have older shit like Back to the Future, but it's inconsistent and the show times are always bad, because they need all the slots for modern garbage.

I would love to support a theater that exclusively played things from the pre-woke eras.
 
rykomatsu said:
What movies are they going to show...avengers reruns or something?
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It'll be a mix of old and new. Unhinged with Russell Crowe is still due July 1st and Nolan's Tenet due on July 16th still hasn't been delayed either.

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Theaters reopening with classic blockbusters including ‘Jaws,’ ‘Psycho’ at reduced prices: report

Hollywood studios are offering big screen classics including “Jaws” and “Back to the Future” in an effort to attract apprehensive audiences back to theaters in states reopening their ec…
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Classics in theaters at reduced prices seems like a decent way to transition through this period.
 
ManaByte said:


Tyrants:
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I wonder just how many of these governors actually had the legal authority to do what they did. Like they issued a EO, and businesses closed. That's that. But every time it was challenged, it seemed like they lost. Like Mayor Gasbag of NYC issued a EO banning "public protests", this is certainly unconstitutional and he has no authority. But if nobody protests, and nobody challenges, it doesn't really matter.
 
I went to Walmart today and found Lysol wipes for the first time in 2 months since this thing began. Also picked up the complete DVD series of Seinfeld. Easily the best haul I've ever had at walmart
 
Nymphae said:
Theaters are mostly all digital now. I'd prefer if they played older classics. The theater near me does sometimes have older shit like Back to the Future, but it's inconsistent and the show times are always bad, because they need all the slots for modern garbage.

I would love to support a theater that exclusively played things from the pre-woke eras.
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I haven't been to a movie theater in quite some time, but a rerun of back to the future for $2 might just make me consider it. Probably wouldn't actually go, but I'd definitely consider it.
 


Its hard to take these clowns seriously but even the WHO is saying learn to live with the virus.

As long as we adopt mask and dont send old people to infect old age homes the 2nd wave wont be worse than the first.
 
hariseldon said:
Personally I've been taking a supplement with 25mg of vitamin D and about 500% of the RDA of vitamin C in addition to a regular multivitamin which has 100% of most things. 2 tablets a day and I've got supplies to last me a good number of months. I suggest you do the same (there's plenty on Amazon).
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I'm sure you are not taking 25 milligrams of vitamin d, as this would slowly kill you.

Taking vitamins is ok, but people should not overdo it. It's important to to exceed the UL's (upper intake levels).
 
So I'm a tad bit pissed my wife and oldest son and myself have had a stomach ache and We've had some stomach cramps and diarrhea. Nothing crazy just bubble guts and I told my
Boss and now I'm off for 14 days only way I can come back early is if I'm tested twice 48 days apart and both are negative. I don't even know where to test This is so frustrating.
 
Djau said:
Hillary's just the same as the rest of them, just as bad. EU being the counterbalance would be better for us as they hold their end of deals much better than America does but they don't seem to want that position.


No, that was Russia.
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The EU? The same EU that keeps fucking over the southern nations, that crumbles when Russia says boo? No thanks.
 
Rat Rage said:
I'm sure you are not taking 25 milligrams of vitamin d, as this would slowly kill you.

Taking vitamins is ok, but people should not overdo it. It's important to to exceed the UL's (upper intake levels).
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Micrograms. You know what I mean.
 
diffusionx said:
So it makes sense to lock up 100% of people, even those who face no risks from this, to protect the vulnerable fraction? Out of what, some ridiculous notion of solidarity? When has humanity ever acted in this way? What does that accomplish outside of worthless virtue signaling? Especially when the consequence is a tanked economy and people without the ability to provide for themselves and their families?

Much better to focus resources and protection on places like nursing homes. As we have learned recently, the esteemed lockdown geniuses enacted policies that put old folks directly in harms' way, and killed massive amounts of people as a result.
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Are we locking up 100% of people at this point then? Have we at any stage of this pandemic? When you say 'focus resources and protection' you actually mean, lock them away and isolate them to keep the rest of us happy, right? Just come out and say it. Embrace your supremacy.

hariseldon said:
You are a ridiculous human being who makes arguments that cannot possibly be serious - I reckon you're trying to make lefties look bad. Fucking Trump-supporting nazi!
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Dude, you barely have a grasp of the English language. Go to bed.
 
holygeesus said:
Are we locking up 100% of people at this point then? Have we at any stage of this pandemic? When you say 'focus resources and protection' you actually mean, lock them away and isolate them to keep the rest of us happy, right? Just come out and say it. Embrace your supremacy.



Dude, you barely have a grasp of the English language. Go to bed.
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What exactly do you bring to this thread (or any other for that matter) other than trolling? I mean not one of your arguments makes the slightest shred of sense. You aren't even aware that lockdown is a thing apparently. Your IQ must be in single digits. You're a joke.
 
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3 infected McDonalds workers in Australia (at the same store), Maccas doesn't close down and people keep going through the drive thru the next day. Something like 100 people notified about it to get tested.
 
Arguably the best indicator of the wulhan virus impact (some of it is indirect, e.g. caused people not going to see a doctor fearing to get infected): increase in the number of deaths. Official figures are close to real:



hariseldon said:
The EU? The same EU that keeps fucking over the southern nations, that crumbles when Russia says boo? No thanks.
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EU is a weak counterbalance to Russia, but that "poor southern nations" is getting annoying.
The whole "apologies, Italy" was pandering to a successful PR campaign.
It was about weeks, when C19 suddenly become scary and NONE of Italy's neighbors was sure it wouldn't hit them the same way WITHIN DAYS.

What kind of leader would send out medical equipment/medics in this situation?
 
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