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[cryptoadam]

Congrats on your grandma. Did she test positive for antibodies, or is she currently positive?

Strange enough she tested negative at the end of March early April, when it was just starting. Then a few weeks ago she tested positive but had no symptoms. Never got symptoms either. I don't think she is officialy "negative" but its been weeks and she never developed anything.

Just chalk it up to luck, but she was the target demographic for this virus. Must be those Russian genetics.

I unfortunately expect hospitalizations to start picking up in the next 1 - 2 weeks in places like Florida, and then deaths to follow suit a couple weeks later, but I have more hope that it won't be a NY/Italy type situation.
Also, hard to rely on some of these hospitalization and death numbers with some of these governors. We already see thousands more pneumonia deaths than would be expected, and Desantis is now pushing to not count all ICU patients as ICU patients.

We just had 0 deaths today, but its hard to believe up here. Whatever numbers we get I think everyone should side eye them.

But we have to go with what we got and looks like this might be one of the lowest mondays in weeks, maybe even months. If we are going to see deaths its going to be in the 10-14 days. If there isn't a huge spike then the virus may have already killed the majority of people it would have front loaded.

Lets see if we get a big spike tomorrow due to back log of deaths.

 

[cryptoadam]

 

[Kittehkraken]

Congrats on your grandma. Did she test positive for antibodies, or is she currently positive?



I unfortunately expect hospitalizations to start picking up in the next 1 - 2 weeks in places like Florida, and then deaths to follow suit a couple weeks later, but I have more hope that it won't be a NY/Italy type situation.
Also, hard to rely on some of these hospitalization and death numbers with some of these governors. We already see thousands more pneumonia deaths than would be expected, and Desantis is now pushing to not count all ICU patients as ICU patients.

I believe this is because some hospitals have the Covid unit inside the ICU and they want to make sure the numbers are being reported correctly.

 

[diffusionx]

...it still would for those people who end up on the wrong end of that .05%. Also, where did that number come from? Its not going to just be healthy young people who catch it.

that’s not the way it works, and there are lots of things we do on a daily basis that have a shot at killing us. If you think that mortality rate is worth tanking the economy over and torturing people with indefinite isolation I don’t know what to tell you.

Healthcare Workers

COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.

www.cdc.gov

symptomatic CFR, 0-49... in reality the number is lower because of asymptomatic cases

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I have not looked at these charts in a long while and checked today

China still reports numbers? LOL

well I did not miss this chart

Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,949,997 Cases and 2,852,987 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

since I am at it what is Fuck CCP News like these days?

 

[HellforLeather]

that’s not the way it works, and there are lots of things we do on a daily basis that have a shot at killing us. If you think that mortality rate is worth tanking the economy over and torturing people with indefinite isolation I don’t know what to tell you.

You can believe that we need to open back up but still think that COVID is a something that we should try to mitigate at the same time.

I really dont understand why the two camps on this issue seem to be "it's a nothing burger so fuck it" or we need to hide in bunkers until a vaccine (except to go protest!)

 

[dionysus]

For all the fear mongering about the new hot spots I just looked at Texas and Florida data, deaths are on a downward trend in both states. Texas had only 10 deaths today. Florida had a total of 5. NYC by itself had 7 on the last reported day of the 20th. For context NYC peaked at 589 deaths.

So this is not the apocalypse. In fact, all told the data is good. We are testing more people, isolating at risk populations better, and figuring out how to treat patients so they don't die.

 

[cryptoadam]

The virus is pretty much dying out in Europe. And every country there is in some sort of state of reopening.

 

[Maestr0]

Well, fuck, one of my friend at the gym and his brother got Covid back in April, no medical antecedent, good health....
Well, his brother died anyway......... 20 years old.... my friend got only the mild symptoms, fever and lost of smell and taste.
Just fuck.....

 

[WhiskeyDiver]

I have not looked at these charts in a long while and checked today

China still reports numbers? LOL

They still report the ones that escape the incinerator lines.

Also Brazil is in command of silver medal position, but I'm sure Russia will ramp up their injection quotas to close the gap. China still unofficially holds the top spot, but it's hard to get a reliable figure from all the people they massacred and threw in incinerators.

 

[diffusionx]

You can believe that we need to open back up but still think that COVID is a something that we should try to mitigate at the same time.

I really dont understand why the two camps on this issue seem to be "it's a nothing burger so fuck it" or we need to hide in bunkers until a vaccine (except to go protest!)

Because the mitigation is ridiculous and unnecessary. We have never done anything like this, even with potentially more dangerous illnesses. Why now? Social distancing, wearing masks (with unproven effectiveness for this), it’s led to this weird dystopian hellscape where people are afraid of interacting with other people. It’s really horrible and will have effects that go for a long time.

 

[Cutty Flam]

(06:34) "We know based on evidence from autopsies, that Covid-19 patients have 9X more blood clot burden in autopsy samples than, for instance, in influenza"

Very alarming how this disease, Covid-19 can harm the endothelial layer of our arteries

Does anybody know anyone who has had Covid-19 personally? I still know nobody. I got the bloodwork done weeks ago. I don't have antibodies so I'm pretty sure I never had it at any point. Want to keep it that way

 

[sinnergy]

Well, fuck, one of my friend at the gym and his brother got Covid back in April, no medical antecedent, good health....
Well, his brother died anyway......... 20 years old.... my friend got only the mild symptoms, fever and lost of smell and taste.
Just fuck.....

Yup and that’s why you have to be careful, it looks random sometimes.

Best to you in these times .

 

[sinnergy]

(06:34) "We know based on evidence from autopsies, that Covid-19 patients have 9X more blood clot burden in autopsy samples than, for instance, in influenza"

Very alarming how this disease, Covid-19 can harm the endothelial layer of our arteries

Does anybody know anyone who has had Covid-19 personally? I still know nobody. I got the bloodwork done weeks ago. I don't have antibodies so I'm pretty sure I never had it at any point. Want to keep it that way

I do yes , 2 in their early 30s, 1 got something like a bad flu , the other 3,5 weeks in bed and after 12 weeks still not her old self.

Like I posted before , it looks random , based on flaws in DNA, sometimes .

 

[sinnergy]

Because the mitigation is ridiculous and unnecessary. We have never done anything like this, even with potentially more dangerous illnesses. Why now? Social distancing, wearing masks (with unproven effectiveness for this), it’s led to this weird dystopian hellscape where people are afraid of interacting with other people. It’s really horrible and will have effects that go for a long time.

Not ? Go read up on the Spanish Flu, we allMost used the same tactics in 1918.

How they flattened the curve during the 1918 Spanish Flu

Social distancing isn’t a new idea—it saved thousands of American lives during the last great pandemic. Here's how it worked.

www.google.nl

 

[Birdo]

Does anybody know anyone who has had Covid-19 personally?

My sister and nephew have both tested positive (She works in a care home where almost everyone had it).

Both are fine a few weeks after testing. But my sister says that she has lost her sense of taste and smell.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

second wave in South Korea


it is summer I am hot as hell and even in Florida things are going on like people did not say this was going to be dead during the summer and come back in the fall smh. I knew they were wrong but I was still hoping

 

[Cutty Flam]

My sister and nephew have both tested positive (She works in a care home where almost everyone had it).

Both are fine a few weeks after testing. But my sister says that she has lost her sense of taste and smell.

I keep on forgetting it can damage the olfactory senses. Let us know if she ever gets her sense of taste and smell back plz, I'm hoping it's something that wont be permanent? Maybe just a few months at worst?

 

[Cutty Flam]

One question for everyone:

Do you think most people are going to get it at one point or another? Say like, 96%+ of the population or more? I don't know how it's going to play out, as does any one, but I'm trying to wrap my head around how many people are likely to 'evade' the disease

And is it like HIV in the sense that it is with you for life? Shit is alarming as fuck. People want to say oh it's no big deal, overreacting, I wont wear a mask etc. but just wait until the time comes and most of us are unfortunate one day and come down with it. Sucks

 

[Jezbollah]

I think a vaccine will be distributed and utilised sooner than the amount it takes for herd immunity.

 

[prag16]

And is it like HIV in the sense that it is with you for life? Shit is alarming as fuck.

Where the hell are you getting this? Are we at the point where we just start making shit up in order to jerk off to fear porn?

 

[Cutty Flam]

Where the hell are you getting this? Are we at the point where we just start making shit up in order to jerk off to fear porn?

It’s a legitimate question

I’m asking if others suspect that Covid-19 might be something that can persist for most of some unfortunate people’s lives? It attacks the body severely for some. And I have read that some people are having issues months after the fact that they contracted the disease. So maybe it does not go away but persists within the body throughout our lifetime I mean to ask?

 

[sinnergy]

It’s a legitimate question

I’m asking if others suspect that Covid-19 might be something that can persist for most of some unfortunate people’s lives? It attacks the body severely for some. And I have read that some people are having issues months after the fact that they contracted the disease. So maybe it does not go away but persists within the body throughout our lifetime I mean to ask?

When HIV happend , the world also thought they could create a vaccine , it does attack a bit like HIV, HIV never got a vaccine, so who knows ...

I hope this is not the case.

 

[pLow7]

When HIV happend , the world also thought they could create a vaccine , it does attack a bit like HIV, HIV never got a vaccine, so who knows ...

I hope this is not the case.

From what i understandt HIV is not really A typical Virus since it does not really attack you. It gives you Aids which as a result it interfers with you immune system making every other virus potentially deadly.

Medication went a long way threatening HIV to a point where people live normal lifes now.

 

[diffusionx]

Not ? Go read up on the Spanish Flu, we allMost used the same tactics in 1918.

How they flattened the curve during the 1918 Spanish Flu

Social distancing isn’t a new idea—it saved thousands of American lives during the last great pandemic. Here's how it worked.

www.google.nl

Spanish Flu killed young healthy people in their prime, which COVID does not.

When HIV happend , the world also thought they could create a vaccine , it does attack a bit like HIV, HIV never got a vaccine, so who knows ...

I hope this is not the case.

I don't think we will ever get a COVID vaccine. Maybe my opinion on this is why I am so adamant that we have to just move on with our lives instead of existing in this hellish "new normal" that reminds me of the opening sequence in Half-Life 2.

 

[sinnergy]

But you point was about the measures for a pandemic. Which where the same in 1918.

I know people that are in their 30s that are still sick ... you don’t have to die to have lasting damage .

Those rules are there for a reason.

 

[prag16]

Spanish Flu killed young healthy people in their prime, which COVID does not.

Yep. Big difference. Hell even H1N1 discriminated less by age than COVID does. Anecdotal, but one of my best friends was in the hospital for over two weeks with H1N1. Totally healthy person, still is, no notable health problems, and was 25 at the time.

I don't think we will ever get a COVID vaccine. Maybe my opinion on this is why I am so adamant that we have to just move on with our lives instead of existing in this hellish "new normal" that reminds me of the opening sequence in Half-Life 2.

I think we'll get something. It'll be rushed and potentially dangerous. But the world will demand it. Regulators will remove legal liability for any damage it causes (as they have done for everything on the childhood schedule); in some places this has already preemptively been done.

That said, no coronavirus has ever had a successfully licensed vaccine. And this new RNA vaccine method (e.g. Moderna) has never been used in any successfully licensed vaccine ever. There are major obstacles. One thing's for sure, if we get something within a year, there's no way it will have been sufficiently proven safe and effective for anything other than emergency use. This process takes several years for every other vaccine. But they may license it anyway. You may say flu has new vaccines every year, and even 'special/new/immediate' strains like H1N1. Yes and no; the vaccine is basically the same; they can change strains and tweak things but the vehicle is the same. Totally different from a brand new vaccine for a novel virus.

I know people that are in their 30s that are still sick ... you don’t have to die to have lasting damage .

Sure anecdotally there are people in their 30s which this ravaged, though by and large this has not been the case. The "lasting damage" claims have been spotty, and haven't been getting much coverage likely because there's not a lot of consistent evidence that this is really widespread. But hopefully widespread analyses are being done to get to the truth on this. We need to know how prevalent these type of effects are, and then figure out how long lasting any damage is. (That said I'm not for locking everyone inside their houses until we have 100% rock solid answers to those questions; it's not reasonable or feasible.)

 

[cryptoadam]

Scientists support use of ultraviolet light to prevent COVID-19 spread

On this basis, the team argues that investing in such a technology in the form of a few billion dollars in UV-C sources can help protect billions of indoor workers worldwide.

m.jpost.com

 

[sinnergy]

Yep. Big difference. Hell even H1N1 discriminated less by age than COVID does. Anecdotal, but one of my best friends was in the hospital for over two weeks with H1N1. Totally healthy person, still is, no notable health problems, and was 25 at the time.


I think we'll get something. It'll be rushed and potentially dangerous. But the world will demand it. Regulators will remove legal liability for any damage it causes (as they have done for everything on the childhood schedule); in some places this has already preemptively been done.

That said, no coronavirus has ever had a successfully licensed vaccine. And this new RNA vaccine method (e.g. Moderna) has never been used in any successfully licensed vaccine ever. There are major obstacles. One thing's for sure, if we get something within a year, there's no way it will have been sufficiently proven safe and effective for anything other than emergency use. This process takes several years for every other vaccine. But they may license it anyway. You may say flu has new vaccines every year, and even 'special/new/immediate' strains like H1N1. Yes and no; the vaccine is basically the same; they can change strains and tweak things but the vehicle is the same. Totally different from a brand new vaccine for a novel virus.



Sure anecdotally there are people in their 30s which this ravaged, though by and large this has not been the case. The "lasting damage" claims have been spotty, and haven't been getting much coverage likely because there's not a lot of consistent evidence that this is really widespread. But hopefully widespread analyses are being done to get to the truth on this. We need to know how prevalent these type of effects are, and then figure out how long lasting any damage is. (That said I'm not for locking everyone inside their houses until we have 100% rock solid answers to those questions; it's not reasonable or feasible.)

Locking everyone inside was just a measure to contain the virus in a big way and needed. Otherwise we would be looking at astronomical figures. Of dead’s not only by Covid but overloaded healthcare systems .

Most of the other measures are here to stay, wash your hands, keep distance , stay in well ventilated areas and avoid over crowded places, it is what it is.

 

[prag16]

Locking everyone inside was just a measure to contain the virus in a big way and needed. Otherwise we would be looking at astronomical figures. Of dead’s not only by Covid but overloaded healthcare systems .

This is assumed but we don't really know now do we. You can't prove this. The scale on which this was done nationwide and wordwide is completely unprecedented, and it was so universal in nature that we really have no idea what would have happened if we had stuck to lighter common sense restrictions. We just assume "worse" but we have no idea how much worse, and what the collateral damage calculus would have looked like compared to what we are going through now.

Most of the other measures are here to stay, wash your hands, keep distance , stay in well ventilated areas and avoid over crowded places, it is what it is.

Here to stay for how long. Forever? Not happening. People aren't going to do it. People are already not doing it. Because many people see how overblown it is. (Though increased hand washing with soap and water, NOT 'sanitizing', is a good idea in the best of times.)

 

[sinnergy]

This is assumed but we don't really know now do we. You can't prove this. The scale on which this was done nationwide and wordwide is completely unprecedented, and it was so universal in nature that we really have no idea what would have happened if we had stuck to lighter common sense restrictions. We just assume "worse" but we have no idea how much worse, and what the collateral damage calculus would have looked like compared to what we are going through now.

Here to stay for how long. Forever? Not happening. People aren't going to do it. People are already not doing it. Because many people see how overblown it is. (Though increased hand washing with soap and water, NOT 'sanitizing', is a good idea in the best of times.)

Dude really ? Why would worldwide all countries take these actions for fun?

Blame this virus , it is what it is life, adapt and accept . Sometimes this shit happens and take what you have and not what you don’t Have.

Until there is a vaccine or we are immune, we will have rules for how long ?

Who knows, I don’t mind te rules , there is a lot we still can do.

And I don’t blame governments. A virus is a virus.

 

[Stitch]

More than 1,500 people from the Toennies plant in Guetersloh county tested positive for COVID-19.

 

[sinnergy]

This is what happens when you let your guard down and ignore the basic rules.

And this will continue to happen everywhere , until a vaccine or we are immune .. it’s as simple as this. Keep distance , wash your hands , cough in elbow , and avoid crowded and not well ventilated places.

And when sick , runny nose, cough , fever stay home.

 

[Jezbollah]

The thing in Germany is about the meat processing plant that had something like 1300 cases within it.

its not so much about letting guard down in this instance, but lack of ability to contain a single major situation.

 

[Jezbollah]

Its not so much the 171 deaths (27% down vs last Monday) but 874 positive results from 237,142 tests...

 

[cryptoadam]

49 cases in Quebec. Don't want to jinx it, but like a certain someone said the virus just seemed to go away in the summer time.

 

[prag16]

Its not so much the 171 deaths (27% down vs last Monday) but 874 positive results from 237,142 tests...

Look at the percentage of positive tests now compared to overall. Everyone's casting a much wider net now. No shit you do a shitload more testing, you find more of the mild cases.

This is what Trump meant "too much testing". If you did a constant rate of testing you'd be able to make meaningful observations on the amount of cases being found. But if the amount of testing keeps rising, pointing to more cases and claiming crisis would be potentially very misleading (not saying you are doing this, but people are doing this).

 

[HellforLeather]

Because the mitigation is ridiculous and unnecessary. We have never done anything like this, even with potentially more dangerous illnesses. Why now? Social distancing, wearing masks (with unproven effectiveness for this), it’s led to this weird dystopian hellscape where people are afraid of interacting with other people. It’s really horrible and will have effects that go for a long time.

I dont see how wearing a mask and keeping a few feet from people = dystopian hellscape but to each their own I guess?

Anyone who isn't hysterical would agree that the economy needs to be reopened but we can do so and at least make an attempt at doing so responsibly keeping the spread at a controllable pace. I am staunchly opposed to the idea of the government setting laws about these types of things but maybe we can come together and at least take our neighbors and fellow citizens into account here. I dont understand the "were not 100% sure this works so we just arent going to do it" attitude (not even sure if this is accurate, last i heard is it was pretty well confirmed it spreads through droplets and masks cut down on droplet spread).

Also yea, young people will be the way this spreads and most of them will have no issues getting over it, but they will take it home to their families/parents/grandparents and we could still very easily overrun the hospital system even with the small percentage of people who have severe reactions to it.

The constant making fun of the 6ft rule and stuff around here seems ridiculous too. This is a general guideline but people are taking it too literally on both sides of the fence. No, COVID does not stop at 6'1" and who has suggested that it does? What kind of rule would you like to see and how should we present it to the public in an easily digestible manner? I feel like people just want to be intentionally obtuse about anything that doesnt fit their preconceived notions of how we should address this thing.

 

[All Hail C-Webb]

I believe this is because some hospitals have the Covid unit inside the ICU and they want to make sure the numbers are being reported correctly.

This is the justification, and if might have merit, but when it's coming from someone with Desantis' history, and he's already fudging other numbers, it's hard for me to buy into.

 

[12Goblins]

 

[cryptoadam]

This virus does what it wants.

15 cases today where I live. A month ago we were the Italy/NYC of Canada and everyone was freaking out that we should never re open and we will never get our cases down.

China had the biggest and baddest lock down and now they are having a massive outbreak in Beijing.

Biggest fear is we find out that immunity only last 1 year and we wasted all this time distancing instead of going for the herd and people who recovered get it a second time. And of course no vaccine.

 

[Kittehkraken]

Cruise ships won’t restart U.S. sailings until Sept. 15

Cruise lovers, brace yourself for cancellations of summer sailings. The trade group Cruise Lines International Assn. announced that cruises won’t restart at U.S. ports until at least Sept. 15. It says the industry needs more time to fine-tune safety procedures to protect passengers and employees during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Carnival, which had hoped to start some sailings in August, now has cancelled cruises through Sept. 30. It has dropped any sailings from San Francisco through 2020, and sailings aboard Carnival Sunrise through Oct. 19 and Carnival Legend through Oct. 30.

Royal Caribbean canceled cruises through July 31 but said on its website that its “goal is to resume operations on August 1st, 2020 for the majority of our fleet.” However the cruise line canceled Canadian sailings through Oct. 31 (because of port closures) and China sailings through June 30. Voyager of the Seas sailings are canceled through Sept. 30 too.

Disney Cruise Line canceled most cruises through Sept. 15 and dropped sailings on Disney Magic through Oct. 2.

Cruise ships won't restart U.S. sailings until Sept. 15

The cruise ship pause that started in March has been extended because of coronavirus safety concerns.

www.latimes.com

Not surprising, ships are still stuck out at sea with crew members onboard.

 

[Croatoan]

(06:34) "We know based on evidence from autopsies, that Covid-19 patients have 9X more blood clot burden in autopsy samples than, for instance, in influenza"

Very alarming how this disease, Covid-19 can harm the endothelial layer of our arteries

Does anybody know anyone who has had Covid-19 personally? I still know nobody. I got the bloodwork done weeks ago. I don't have antibodies so I'm pretty sure I never had it at any point. Want to keep it that way

10 people now. 8 asymptomatic, 1 sick for 2 days, and 1 sick for a week. All 100% fine now. None went to the hospital.

Ages range from 25 to 70. Over half are obese.

 

[cryptoadam]

So Fauci saying phase 3 Trial starting in July, and he is very optimistic that we will have a vaccine by the new year. Take it as you will.

Also said Trump never asked anyone to slow down testing. And is concerned with the increase in cases.

 

[Rock And Roll]

Not surprising, ships are still stuck out at sea with crew members onboard.

I wonder if the industry is ever going to recover from this. Seems pretty dire at the moment. I was looking to get back on ships to make a living and was in talks with a few of different lines entertainment departments. Even if sailing does resume soon I assume there will be less ships going and less employment opportunities.

 

[Petey-o]

Fuck cruiseships, though.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

this is what the end of the day reporting looks like now

be careful out there people

 

[12Goblins]

(06:34) "We know based on evidence from autopsies, that Covid-19 patients have 9X more blood clot burden in autopsy samples than, for instance, in influenza"

Very alarming how this disease, Covid-19 can harm the endothelial layer of our arteries

Does anybody know anyone who has had Covid-19 personally? I still know nobody. I got the bloodwork done weeks ago. I don't have antibodies so I'm pretty sure I never had it at any point. Want to keep it that way

This guy's videos are top notch.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

You can believe that we need to open back up but still think that COVID is a something that we should try to mitigate at the same time.

I really dont understand why the two camps on this issue seem to be "it's a nothing burger so fuck it" or we need to hide in bunkers until a vaccine (except to go protest!)

Yeah I'm going back to the theater July 3 and went to church this past Sunday. I wore a mask until sitting down and will do so at the theater. I sanitized after touching pretty much anything not on my person. It really wasn't inconvenient. I plan to wear the mask until sitting down to watch and eat and drink when I go to the theater

 

[ULTROS!]

So.... Rallies and protests huh.

I have no idea why USA is incredibly stubborn for not following basic prevention tips.