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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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dolabla

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Britain's response to passengers coming from Wuhan seems ridiculously relaxed:

'We were told to ring NHS 111 if we feel ill… that's it!' Passengers arriving at Heathrow say they were just given a leaflet and waved through despite fears over spread of deadly coronavirus

  • Holiday-makers travelled from Wuhan, home of the outbreak, to Heathrow today
  • Passengers were given health leaflets but described an otherwise regular arrival

It's a British response; Go home and have a cup of tea, moan about it to Aunt Nora, you'll be reet in a week.
 

GAMETA

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I'll bet you a months ban that this turns out to be no worse than Ebola. Ebola, apparently a disease so bad that they made a few end-of-the-world films out of it.

This is scare mongering at it's finest.
Well, China is indeed locki g down some cities... it's no less than strange if you ask me.
 

Croatoan

They/Them A-10 Warthog
You people realize that a two week incubation period doesn't mean you will be walking around infecting people for two weeks right?

I am fairly certain that this virus, like other viruses, only becomes contagious once the symptoms start showing.

Also isn't the common cold a Coronavirus? The naming of this thing it's lazy.

Oh, also a 3% death rate in a shit hole like China would be somewhere around 1% in the US no?

If this thing mutates and starts killing healthy people the wife and I might take a months vacation and go live at the lake house. We have plenty of food and water to wait this thing out.

Highly doubt out comes to that though.
 
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Pallas

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Here’s a theory, not sure how accurate it is, so it’s probably more of a conspiracy theory so tinfoil hats are required.


Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio-warfare program
Virology institute there has China's only secure lab for studying deadly viruse
By Bill Gertz - The Washington Times - Friday, January 24, 2020
The deadly animal virus epidemic spreading globally may have originated in a Wuhan laboratory linked to China’s covert biological weapons program, according to an Israeli biological warfare expert.
Radio Free Asia this week rebroadcast a local Wuhan television report from 2015 showing China’s most advanced virus research laboratory known the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Radio Free Asia reported.
The laboratory is the only declared site in Chinacapable of working with deadly viruses.

Dany Shoham, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who has studied Chinese bio warfare, said the institute is linked to Beijing’s covert biological weapons program.

“Certain laboratories in the institute have probably been engaged, in terms of research and development, in Chinese [biological weapons], at least collaterally, yet not as a principal facility of the Chinese BW alignment,” Mr. Shoham told The Washington Times.

Work on biological weapons is conducted as part of a dual civilian-military research and is “definitely covert,” he said in an email.

Mr. Shoham holds a doctorate in medical microbiology. From 1970 to 1991 he was a senior analyst with Israeli military intelligence for biological and chemical warfare in the Middle East and worldwide, holding the rank of lieutenant colonel.

China in the past has denied having any offensive biological weapons. The State Department, in a report last year, said it suspects China has engaged in covert biological warfare work.

A Chinese Embassy spokesman did not return an email seeking comment.


Chinese authorities so far have said the origin of the coronavirus that has killed scores and infected hundreds in in central Hubei Province is not known.

Gao Fu, director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, told state-controlled media initial signs as of Thursday indicated the virus originated from wild animals sold at a seafood market in Wuhan.


One ominous sign, said a U.S. official, is the that false rumors since the outbreak began several weeks ago have begun circulating on the Chinese Internet claiming the virus is part of a U.S. conspiracy to spread germ weapons.

That could indicate China is preparing propaganda outlets to counter future charges the new virus escaped from one of Wuhan’s civilian or defense research laboratories.

The World Health Organization is calling the microbe novel coronavirus 2019-nCoV. At a meeting in Geneva Thursday, the organization stopped short of declaring a Public Health Emergency of International Concern.


The virus outbreak causes pneumonia-like symptoms and prompted China to deploy military forces to Wuhan this week in a bid to halt the spread. All travel out of the city of 11 million people was halted.

The Wuhan institute has studied coronaviruses in the past, including the including the strain that causes Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS, H5N1 influenza virus, Japanese encephalitis, and dengue. Researchers at the institute also studied the germ that causes anthrax – a biological agent once developed in Russia.


“Coronaviruses (particularly SARS) have been studied in the institute and are probably held therein,” he said. “SARS is included within the Chinese BW program, at large, and is dealt with in several pertinent facilities.”

It is not known if the institute’s array of coronaviruses are specifically included in biological weapons program but it is possible, he said.

Asked if the new coronavirus may have leaked, Mr. Shoham said: “In principle, outward virus infiltration might take place either as leakage or as an indoor unnoticed infection of a person that normally went out of the concerned facility. This could have been the case with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but so far there isn’t evidence or indication for such incident.”


After researchers sequence of the genome of the new coronavirus it might be possible to determine or suggest its origin or source.

Mr. Shoham, now with the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Bar Ilan University in Israel, said the virology institute is the only declared site in China known as P4 for Pathogen Level 4, a status indicating it uses the strictest safety standards to prevent the spread of the most dangerous and exotic microbes being studied.


The former Israeli military intelligence doctor also said suspicions were raised about the Wuhan Institute of Virology when a group of Chinese virologists working in Canada improperly sent samples to China of what he said were some of the deadliest viruses on earth, including the Ebola virus.

In a July article in the journal Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, Mr. Shoham said the Wuhan institute was one of four Chinese laboratories engaged in some aspects of the biological weapons development.


He identified the secure Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory at the institute as engaged in research on the Ebola, Nipah, and Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever viruses.

The Wuhan virology institute is under the Chinese Academy of Sciences. But certain laboratories within it “have linkage with the PLA or BW-related elements within the Chinese defense establishment,” he said.

In 1993, China declared a second facility, the Wuhan Institute of Biological Products, as one of eight biological warfare research facilities covered by the Biological Weapons Convention (BWC) which China joined in 1985.

The Wuhan Institute of Biological Products is a civilian facility but is linked to the Chinese defense establishment, and has been regarded to be involved in the Chinese BW program, Mr. Shoham said.


China’s vaccine against SARS is probably produced there.

“This means the SARS virus is held and propagated there, but it is not a new coronavirus, unless the wild type has been modified, which is not known and cannot be speculated at the moment,” he said.

The annual State Department report on arms treaty compliance stated last year that Chinaengaged in activities that could support biological warfare.

“Information indicates that the People’s Republic of China engaged during the reporting period in biological activities with potential dual-use applications, which raises concerns regarding its compliance with the BWC,” the report said, adding that the United States suspects Chinafailed to eliminate its biological warfare program as required by the treaty.


“The United States has compliance concerns with respect to Chinese military medical institutions’ toxin research and development because of the potential dual-use applications and their potential as a biological threat,” the report added.

The biosafety lab is located about 20 miles from the Hunan Seaford Market that reports from China say may have been origin point of the virus.

Rutgers University microbiologist Dr. Richard Ebright told London’s Daily Mail that “at this point there’s no reason to harbor suspicions” the lab may be linked to the virus outbreak.

Honestly not sure to even believe this but I suppose it’s possible? You’d expect better safeguards in place though. But yeah maybe This is truly how it all ends, Resident Evil style. Rip

On a another note, but maybe related there was an incident in Canada dating back in July of last year that involved Canadian Chinese Virologists getting their credentials revoked from a Canadian laboratory but they never released the reason why.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/201...uster-chinese-researchers-canadian-laboratory
 

10000

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When they say "Hospital"they actually mean field hospital which will look something like the buildings with the blue roofs here. They are just prefab buildings used to house construction workers, although as they will be using this for PR purposes they will probably have much nicer looking prefabs to show the world how "Great" China is.
As for the required medical professionals. One of China strengths is to be able to mobilize and just throw labor at a problem. I have no doubt that the shortfall will be made up by medical students pulled from all the relevant universities around China as "Training" for them.

I believe that kind of hospital would become a virus nest, if the virus later choose to mutate into airborne type, then one step into that hallway hospital = auto infected

I can't believe this is how it's all ends,
damn, I haven't play the fucking cyberpunk 77 yet, let alone ps5/xsex
 

StreetsofBeige

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It's now in Toronto. It was nice knowing you, GAF
I live in the west end, so I'm safe. If it does spread to Toronto more widely, it'll probably be contained in downtown Chinatown, the downtown core, or Markham/Scarborough.

My neighbourhoods have almost no Chinese people.
 
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GamingKaiju

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Here’s a theory, not sure how accurate it is, so it’s probably more of a conspiracy theory so tinfoil hats are required.




Honestly not sure to even believe this but I suppose it’s possible? You’d expect better safeguards in place though. But yeah maybe This is truly how it all ends, Resident Evil style. Rip

On a another note, but maybe related there was an incident in Canada dating back in July of last year that involved Canadian Chinese Virologists getting their credentials revoked from a Canadian laboratory but they never released the reason why.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/201...uster-chinese-researchers-canadian-laboratory

We are through the looking glass now.jpeg

Wuuhan is now Raccoon City. How long until the Tyrant sent in to hunt down survivors and kill stars.

On a serious note if the number of infected continues to rise then it goes to show that the Chinese government haven’t contained the outbreak and the longer this goes on the higher the chance of a mutation in the virus could happen. Hopefully they get control of the situation soon. Any Chinese Gafers need to keep safe.
 

Fret Runner

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Hey China. Where did you get that Coronavirus?!

China: Uhhhh.....
Da-doo,
I was walkin' in the wholesale meat district that day
Shoop da-doo,
and I passed by this place where this old man
Chang da-doo
he sometimes sells me weird and exotic meat,
Snip da-doo,
'cause he knows, you see, that strange yummy meats are my favourite.
Da da da da da da-doo.

He didn't have anything unusual there that day.
Nope, da-doo,
so I was just about to, ya know, walk on by,
Good for you,
when suddenly,
Da doo
and without warning, there was this total eclipse of the sun.

It got very dark and there was this strange
sound like something from another world.
Da-doo,
And when the light came back this weird food was just sitting there,
whoop-see-doo
just, you know, stuck in, among the gutter oil.
corona Two.
I coulda sworn it hadn't been there before,
but the old Chinese man sold it to me anyways,
for a dollar ninety-five.
Sha la la, la la la, la la la loo.
 

nush

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I live in the west end, so I'm safe. If it does spread to Toronto more widely, it'll probably be contained in downtown Chinatown, the downtown core, or Markham/Scarborough.

My neighbourhoods have almost no Chinese people.
Here's the problem, people will be paranoid about any "Chinese" looking person and its careless to assume you are safe just becuse you don't have many Asians where you are. This virus does not give a fuck about ethnicity. That white delivery driver delivers to Chinatown and you for example.
 

StreetsofBeige

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Here's the problem, people will be paranoid about any "Chinese" looking person and its careless to assume you are safe just becuse you don't have many Asians where you are. This virus does not give a fuck about ethnicity. That white delivery driver delivers to Chinatown and you for example.
Agreed. But when it comes to viruses and getting sick, it spreads among the people closest it the action first. And hopefully, it dies off before it gets more widespread.

It's not like the person in Toronto with the virus is suddenly going to make everyone in Regina sick.

I know what you mean with people coming in contact or deliveryman getting a dose and then driving 100km away spreading it to another town, but viruses spread first among the closest people.
 

Outrunner

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I'll bet you a months ban that this turns out to be no worse than Ebola. Ebola, apparently a disease so bad that they made a few end-of-the-world films out of it.

This is scare mongering at it's finest.

Ebola requires you to have close contact with the infected person (with body fluids and so). It's not airborne like Coronavirus.
 
both Orange County and Los Angeles County had reported a confirmed case of the virus, bringing the total count in US to 4 now I believe. and LA has one of the largest Chinese population of Chinese in the US... good thing I work from home and don't go out all that much.
 
Yes, the ADN they found in the virus is more likely the one in viruses that snakes carry. Probably virus carried and by snakes had a date and infected humans on the wet market.

The worrying thing is that it's contagious during incubation period, which means that even if you have no symptoms you may be carrying and spreading the virus around.
Ok if the DNA is pointing to snakes I would trust that more than just the media rumours
 
I live in the west end, so I'm safe. If it does spread to Toronto more widely, it'll probably be contained in downtown Chinatown, the downtown core, or Markham/Scarborough.

My neighbourhoods have almost no Chinese people.

So I take it you won't be hitting up the Pacific Mall for any bootleg DVD's and knockoff sunglasses this weekend?
 
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StreetsofBeige

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So I take it you won't be hitting up the Pacific Mall for any bootleg DVD's and knockoff sunglasses this weekend?
Nope. I think I've been there twice in my life. Last time I was in Pacific Mall was probably 10 years ago and it was a mad house for parking. I ate in that small food court up the escalators. Got a good meal for probably $8.

Another time I was there for Mongolian Grill before that.
 
Nope. I think I've been there twice in my life. Last time I was in Pacific Mall was probably 10 years ago and it was a mad house for parking. I ate in that small food court up the escalators. Got a good meal for probably $8.

Another time I was there for Mongolian Grill before that.

Yeah the parking is ridiculous. But man...so much cheap knockoff stuff.
 
was over at Target and CVS, and it seems they're all sold out on respiratory masks. hopefully they would stock up soon.

also, was stopping by the Home Depot and parked right across from me was a BMW with an Asian couple inside, and the license plate of the car is [Wuhan NB] (which basically means "Wuhan awesome"), not too sure if they're trying to show support or trying to be edgy/trolling.
 

nush

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was over at Target and CVS, and it seems they're all sold out on respiratory masks. hopefully they would stock up soon.

also, was stopping by the Home Depot and parked right across from me was a BMW with an Asian couple inside, and the license plate of the car is [Wuhan NB] (which basically means "Wuhan awesome"), not too sure if they're trying to show support or trying to be edgy/trolling.

Or it stands for Niu Bi?
 

vpance

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was over at Target and CVS, and it seems they're all sold out on respiratory masks. hopefully they would stock up soon.

also, was stopping by the Home Depot and parked right across from me was a BMW with an Asian couple inside, and the license plate of the car is [Wuhan NB] (which basically means "Wuhan awesome"), not too sure if they're trying to show support or trying to be edgy/trolling.

Masks out of stock here too. Have to use Amazon or Ebay now.
 
Their culture was modeled by hunger... that's what it is.
Doesn't matter, they are not cavemen, and even neandrathals had better diets. They would at least skin the animal before eating it.

Hunger my a$$. At least prepare it like we do with other animals, and have proper sanitary inspections for the procedure of producing meat. They are 2nd largest economy, soon to be 1st, that shouldn't be a bigger problem than being no1 producer of illnesses in the world.
 
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