Vire
Member
Sounds good, thanks for the impressions.
I'll be getting this when I get home from work today.
Mass Effect 3: Leviathan Trailer [Out Now]
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Sounds good, thanks for the impressions.
I'll be getting this when I get home from work today.
PinkCrayon
Member
Just finished it. Very well paced, the trailer led me to believe that it would be mostly shootyshooty, but I think it's split around an even 50/50. Unlike previous ME dlc, your squad actually have lines, and that helps the content feel like it is part of the main game. Pretty good overall.
Just finished it, someone else said it is 50/50 shooting and exploration/doing things, not quite up there with LotSB but an enjoyable experience for the most part with the problem to me being is that it comes way after finishing the game that has a kind of definitive end so doesn't really change anything in the long run.
I do wonder if you get any more ending dialog though, someone will have to run through quickly and see, I would and am right at the end of the game, but I have to go make dinner, lol.
But It really seems like something that should have been part of the main game for the same reason From Ashes should have been, it contains some pretty big lore that really would have made elements of the main game less out of nowhere and stupid. If ME3 had an extra 6 months and released with this DLC, From Ashes and the Extended Cut from day 1, I think Bioware would have avoided pretty much most of the backlash the game got after release.
So, from reading the Codex should we now refer to the original Reaper species
I do wonder if you get any more ending dialog though, someone will have to run through quickly and see, I would and am right at the end of the game, but I have to go make dinner, lol.
But It really seems like something that should have been part of the main game for the same reason From Ashes should have been, it contains some pretty big lore that really would have made elements of the main game less out of nowhere and stupid. If ME3 had an extra 6 months and released with this DLC, From Ashes and the Extended Cut from day 1, I think Bioware would have avoided pretty much most of the backlash the game got after release.
So, from reading the Codex should we now refer to the original Reaper species
that were the first race as Leviathans from here on?
You'd think with the most advanced race the galaxy had seen you wouldn't have to resort to using the crucible, but the Leviathans didn't tell you either who originally built it much like the Catalyst avoids the question, though it is possible they just didn't want to tell you it was them as the avatar they were using does pull a look.
I'm starting to wonder if they might be building up to a proper forth ending, not one where we disregard the Catalyst and Crucible and lose, but one where we end up winning without having to do either drastic endings that the series could continue on from.
You'd think with the most advanced race the galaxy had seen you wouldn't have to resort to using the crucible, but the Leviathans didn't tell you either who originally built it much like the Catalyst avoids the question, though it is possible they just didn't want to tell you it was them as the avatar they were using does pull a look.
I'm starting to wonder if they might be building up to a proper forth ending, not one where we disregard the Catalyst and Crucible and lose, but one where we end up winning without having to do either drastic endings that the series could continue on from.
Ha. That would be - something...? I can't see this being a good idea.
Check your mails inside the Normandy.
I'm starting to wonder if they might be building up to a proper forth ending, not one where we disregard the Catalyst and Crucible and lose, but one where we end up winning without having to do either drastic endings that the series could continue on from.
Oh I REALLY do hope that's the case so that all the
"artisitc integrity" bullshit about the original endings
That's fanfreakin'tastic!
If that's the case, then good show BioWare! You've really done a number on your fanbase in that case!
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
It showed up on Origin for me. It has the option to purchase the 800 points through Origin as well.
The app or the website?
Edit: So I actually had to go over to the game page and click "Shop for Add-ons". I hate to complain but this shows how Origin is still woefully behind. At the very least it should show up on the front page or under "new releases". If this were Steam, a notice for "DLC Now Available For Your Game" would've shown up as soon as I logged in.
Edit: So I actually had to go over to the game page and click "Shop for Add-ons". I hate to complain but this shows how Origin is still woefully behind. At the very least it should show up on the front page or under "new releases". If this were Steam, a notice for "DLC Now Available For Your Game" would've shown up as soon as I logged in.
WrenchNinja
Member
Colour me intrigued
That's not really true:
(conversation with leviathan so obvious spoilers)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EriDcHW9JDU
matrix-cat
Member
Has anyone played the end of the game again after completing it, wonder if anything has changed, might just run through quickly now.
I wouldn't say everything, but there are some key points that seem to differ.
I wouldn't say everything, but there are some key points that seem to differ.
maybe I forgot what
starchild says at the end of the game but the control/synthesis seems like it could be ruled out as total dogshit. The difference between what leviathan and starchild is that levitation wants the reapers destroyed while the catalyst sees other options. Options (control/synthesis) that shouldn't exist.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Fuck Bioware if that's indeed the case.
People will never let go this bullshit, eh?
PinkCrayon
Member
No it doesn't.
The Super Bob
Member
There abouts. I played through it very slowly and I think it was only about and hour and a half.
I also wouldn't say it directly contradicted anything StarChild said, but it does bring up some more interesting questions. I haven't played through to the ending again to see if the dialogue with StarChild is different or changed in any way however.
If anyone wants a refresher on what exactly StarChild says at the ending theres a full transcript here.
ScreenSplitter
Member
I'm intrigued. Not 800ms intrigued, hahahahaha no. But intrigued enough to waste 2 hours YouTube'ing it.
matrix-cat
Member
Well, so far Shepard's spent the entire time acting as if he's never seen an indoctrinated person in his life.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Gonna start it in a minute. For those wondering, the install size on PC is 1.45GB. By comparson, Shadow Broker is 1.8GB, Arrival is 1.02GB, Overlord is 1.12GB, and Kasumi is 1.07GB.
DanielJr82
Member
Downloading now. I'm guessing this is probably going to be the "Overlord" of ME3. Pretty big, but ultimately just fodder. Still waiting to help Aria retake Omega, like we helped Liara in Lair of the Shadow Broker. =)
Took me 2h30 to beat. I guess taking my time to read logs and explore the Citadel lab made it last a little longer. It's cool to see that squadmates actually TALK this time instead of being completely silent like in ME2. Will bring 2 other squadmates the next time i play it as a Renegade. 
Don't know what to say about the whole story, it was interesting to see
, you have to wonder why we need to bother with the Crucible at all.
I have a feeling
Overall, it was worth it. Not as combat heavy as some would think. 50/50 combat/investigation like someone said.
Also : Lol at the
in the Captain's cabin.
Don't know what to say about the whole story, it was interesting to see
the Leviathans and heard what he had to say about the Reapers origin, but seeing how powerful they are(i mean, one of them did shut down a Reaper like it was nothing and mind controlled 2 Brutes)
I have a feeling
they might reappear in another (last?) ME3 DLC and that maybe, maybe, we'll get a real "FUCK YOU STARCHILD AND YOUR MAGIC BEAMS, UNLEASH THE LEVIATHANS SPHERES!." ending instead of a "ok lol, you refuse, you die".
Overall, it was worth it. Not as combat heavy as some would think. 50/50 combat/investigation like someone said.
Also : Lol at the
Husk head
It absolutely is.
AHA-Lambda
Member
This. How does it change it?
WrenchNinja
Member
Thats only because they cut him out of the game to sell for extra.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Finished. Took me 2.5 hours, played on Insanity.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. It is more comparable to something like Lair of the Shadow Broker than other Mass Effect missions due to the substance of dialogue non-combat interactivity. The theme of a great mystery to uncover, slowly piecing together the evidence, was very welcome. Finding clues and all that jazz is still like it always is: walk around, 'use' hotspots, and this it pretty much plays itself. But it's no more shallow, probably less so, than something like Lair of the Shadow Broker or any past DLC mission.
The down time results in pretty great pacing. It prevents the game from devolving into combat, combat, combat. The story secrets are integrated into the combat environments too, so the flow between dialogue and battles works better than usual. The actual combat is all Reaper stuff but I still really enjoyed it. Geared towards higher level play I think, but I appear to be one of the few people who actually enjoys Mass Effect combat and doesn't consider it a pointless bridge between the story. Good environment design, great graphics, and nice variety. It doesn't stretch the one environment over a long period of time, instead letting you visit a handful of distinctly different looking locations.
Story? I liked the hook, I like how it played out, and I like what relevance it has to the Mass Effect trilogy arc. I also think the reasoning it gives to the Mass Effect 3 endgame is okay, but it also feels like something that should have been in the main game and expanded upon to give a different ending. I haven't finished with the extended cut (will be doing so with this playthrough) so I don't know what it adds to the final conversations, but I disagree that what you learn in Leviathan grants contradiction with final.
I feel saying that contradictions occur is a natural reaction by those disappointed with the ending, looking for some way to excuse the climax and find another solution. But it doesn't. It just enforces it further as far as I'm concerned, as it doesn't address or contradict the major issue people had with the ending:
Overall, I think the value of Leviathan is relative to the value people see in Mass Effect 3. If you hate the story, derive no joy from the combat, and simply don't enjoy the game much beyond trying to finish Shepard's arc, then don't bother. If you're looking for an answer to the end game, as in something that fixes the aforementioned issue, then don't bother. If you do enjoy how Mass Effect 3 plays, don't mind fleshing out the universe a little bit more, and simply want more missions to play, then Leviathan is surely one of the better DLC packs across the three games.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. It is more comparable to something like Lair of the Shadow Broker than other Mass Effect missions due to the substance of dialogue non-combat interactivity. The theme of a great mystery to uncover, slowly piecing together the evidence, was very welcome. Finding clues and all that jazz is still like it always is: walk around, 'use' hotspots, and this it pretty much plays itself. But it's no more shallow, probably less so, than something like Lair of the Shadow Broker or any past DLC mission.
The down time results in pretty great pacing. It prevents the game from devolving into combat, combat, combat. The story secrets are integrated into the combat environments too, so the flow between dialogue and battles works better than usual. The actual combat is all Reaper stuff but I still really enjoyed it. Geared towards higher level play I think, but I appear to be one of the few people who actually enjoys Mass Effect combat and doesn't consider it a pointless bridge between the story. Good environment design, great graphics, and nice variety. It doesn't stretch the one environment over a long period of time, instead letting you visit a handful of distinctly different looking locations.
Story? I liked the hook, I like how it played out, and I like what relevance it has to the Mass Effect trilogy arc. I also think the reasoning it gives to the Mass Effect 3 endgame is okay, but it also feels like something that should have been in the main game and expanded upon to give a different ending. I haven't finished with the extended cut (will be doing so with this playthrough) so I don't know what it adds to the final conversations, but I disagree that what you learn in Leviathan grants contradiction with final.
Leviathan says the AI uses the galaxy as an experimental, caught in cycles, trying to find a 'solution' to organic preservation. The harvests aren't a solution. The Catalyst, in fact, says exactly this in the vanilla end game. Synthesis is considered that solution, the Catalyst blatantly saying that it has finally found a solution. Leviathan doesn't contradict any of this, and if anything enforces the dumb options at the end and why synthesis is the 'right' solution to the imaginary galactic problem of inevitable synthetic vs. organic wars.
the lie that is inevitable synthetic / organic conflict.
Overall, I think the value of Leviathan is relative to the value people see in Mass Effect 3. If you hate the story, derive no joy from the combat, and simply don't enjoy the game much beyond trying to finish Shepard's arc, then don't bother. If you're looking for an answer to the end game, as in something that fixes the aforementioned issue, then don't bother. If you do enjoy how Mass Effect 3 plays, don't mind fleshing out the universe a little bit more, and simply want more missions to play, then Leviathan is surely one of the better DLC packs across the three games.
Vire
Member
Was waiting for this.
Wonderful writeup. Can't wait to get home now!
I'll be posting my thoughts later (probably tomorrow).
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Cheers. Excuse the grammatical errors and completely incorrect errors. I think the DLC turned my brain into a puddle.
Blue Ninja
Member
Well, that's all I need to hear, I guess I'll pick it up. It's 800 Allards, right?
DanielJr82
Member
I'm loving that my squadmates talk now. They didn't at all in ME2 DLCs, with the exception of Liara in LotSB. I was surprised when Tali was talking all of a sudden, it's great, lol. I'll continue tomorrow, I gotta get shit done right now.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Well, the Leviathan explanation of a Reaper's purpose makes loads more sense. This should have been the MacGuffin.
BioWare's strategy with this game has been all kinds of fucked up.
BioWare's strategy with this game has been all kinds of fucked up.
It looks like an
organic Reaper
http://i.imgur.com/ZekHY.png