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Massive explosion in Tianjin, China (Update: at least 44 dead, 500+ injured)

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dabig2

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BorkBork said:
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Saw this on my Facebook feed. Not sure on source or if it's been altered. But good lord if it's real.
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Damn, were Graviton and the Hulk spotted nearby?
 
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True Underdog

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Laekon said:
If they had permits, which it sounds like they did, that's notification to the fire department if the government has its shit together. During an internship at a fire/police software company I saw multiple fire departments that had binders with info on local businesses based on permits and material safety data. sheets. I doubt companies have to notify local residence in any western country.
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The US passed the Emergency Planning and Community Right-to-Know Act in 1986. Any hazardous chemicals stored at a facility in excess of 10,000 lbs (or 500 lbs for extremely hazardous chemicals) must be reported to several governing bodies. Including the Local Emergency Planning Committee where residents/citizens can request information regarding chemicals crossing the aforementioned thresholds.
 
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KDR_11k

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Empty shipping containers would be fairly easy for an explosion to throw around, large cross section and low weight.

3km evacuation zone sounds right, I know we evacuate a 1km radius when a 500-1000 kg WW2 bomb is being defused.

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Very misleading due to the use of explosion graphics as the bars in the graph, the explosion will not grow linearly with the yield. Since the blast is 3 dimensional it'll scale at most with the cubic root of the yield (so 1000x the yield means 10x the radius) and I think there are other factors that diminish the returns even more.
 
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dalin80

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PeregrinSe7en said:
shit

how long will it take to remove that mess?

do they even have the means to do so?
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The reason China has hurtled itself to the top is a never ending amount of man power and little regard in how it is used, they will have that area cleaned, rebuilt and working again in 6 months and if you have to step on the rights of workers and health of nearby residents to do that then that's fine. Nothing stops the GDP train.
 
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dreamcastmaster

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dalin80 said:
The reason China has hurtled itself to the top is a never ending amount of man power and little regard in how it is used, they will have that area cleaned, rebuilt and working again in 6 months and if you have to step on the rights of workers and health of nearby residents to do that then that's fine. Nothing stops the GDP train.
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100%this their organisation of manpower is their greatest asset. That port will be fully functional if not a model example of a modern safe port by the end of this year.
 
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Marky Mark

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3sixT said:
the footage of the fire fighter found just meters from the epicenter is such a joke i cant believe the worlds press are going with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w9LEwk6HU4
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Channel 9 will run with anything and then retract it in the least visible manner possible three weeks later when nobody cares anymore.

I guess a lot of the world's media is like that but I can't stand ch9 or any of our other mainstream channels for news.
 
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hobblygobbly

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xkramz said:
i know it wasnt a nuke. but this got me searching for detonated nukes n testing. sheesh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEje927dygM



actually ironically the youtube i posted was that bravo bomb. and u mean to tell me theres a larger bomb thn thaT? sheeesh
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Tsar Bomba is indeed the largest bomb/most powerful human-made weapon in the world that's been detonated. When it was detonated it was even reported of breaking some windows 900km away in Finland. That was a bomb in the 1960s, I can't imagine what a nuclear bomb in these modern times could yield.
 
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Lamel

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KDR_11k said:
Empty shipping containers would be fairly easy for an explosion to throw around, large cross section and low weight.

3km evacuation zone sounds right, I know we evacuate a 1km radius when a 500-1000 kg WW2 bomb is being defused.



Very misleading due to the use of explosion graphics as the bars in the graph, the explosion will not grow linearly with the yield. Since the blast is 3 dimensional it'll scale at most with the cubic root of the yield (so 1000x the yield means 10x the radius) and I think there are other factors that diminish the returns even more.
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Yeah, was gonna say the same, very misleading graph.

hobblygobbly said:
Tsar Bomba is indeed the largest bomb/most powerful human-made weapon in the world that's been detonated. When it was detonated it was even reported of breaking some windows 900km away in Finland. That was a bomb in the 1960s, I can't imagine what a nuclear bomb in these modern times could yield.
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Yeah I started researching more on nukes after this explosion, and god damn at the tsar bomba. Just unbelievable. The video footage of castle bravo is also unreal. I honestly have a hard time believing humans have harnessed such immense power.
 
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Darksol

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kiri said:
Been reading that there have been more explosions today - anyone have anymore info on this?
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"(TIANJIN, China)—New small explosions rocked a disaster zone in the Chinese port of Tianjin on Saturday, as authorities pulled out an additional survivor and began evacuating the area to clean up chemical contamination nearly three days after massive explosions touched off the crisis."

http://time.com/3999380/tianjin-china-blast-zone-evacuated/

EDIT: Fuck, this sucks:

"The disaster has raised questions about whether dangerous chemicals were being stored too close to residential compounds, and whether firefighters may have triggered the blasts, possibly because they were unaware the warehouse contained chemicals combustible on contact with water."
 
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StopMakingSense

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hobblygobbly said:
That was a bomb in the 1960s, I can't imagine what a nuclear bomb in these modern times could yield.
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Eh, it's not really the point. As nuclear weapons modernized, they actually decreased in yield because the targeting improved. One of the reason the Soviet nukes were largely larger than US counterparts was to make up for their inaccurate targeting.

They yield itself is just a function of amount of material and physics.
 
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Log4Girlz

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StopMakingSense said:
Eh, it's not really the point. As nuclear weapons modernized, they actually decreased in yield because the targeting improved. One of the reason the Soviet nukes were largely larger than US counterparts was to make up for their inaccurate targeting.

They yield itself is just a function of amount of material and physics.
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Tsar bomba was based on a fusion design created by the Americans which could scale up basically forever.
 
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KDR_11k

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Death toll is at 112 confirmed, 95 missing now... Both terrible that it happened and fortunate that it's this low for something this big.

Log4Girlz said:
Tsar bomba was based on a fusion design created by the Americans which could scale up basically forever.
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Yes but at the cost of more weight and materials, the Tsar was already so heavy you'd likely never get it anywhere near a target that's not a test site. These days nukes are not one huge warhead but loads of tiny ones that hit individual targets because the goal is not to wipe out a city but to hit military targets which are likely going to be too dispersed for even the biggest nukes to hit. Also if you want absurd scale try http://what-if.xkcd.com/73/
 
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EatinOlives

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The damage photos are completely unbelievable. I mean I actually cannot believe this is real life and not some photo of a movie set.

I fear the repercussions of the ensuing pollution problems will be pretty bad :( I hope this isn't just the beginning of many years of issues in the area.
 
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dramatis

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From an NBC report about how the Chinese government is responding, it seems the death toll is up to 114. Of that number, 39 of them were firefighters. Majority of the remaining missing people are also firefighters.
The message to the public clearly is: We're on top on this and going to sort this out. The truth is that the huge blasts that killed 114 and sent a toxic cloud into the air over the world's 10th-largest port have badly rattled Beijing officials.

It took [Premier] Li almost four days to visit the scene of the blasts. With the June Yangtze River cruise ship disaster, he rushed to the scene seemingly immediately. That disaster, though, was more politically manageable — it could plausibly be blamed on bad weather and an apparently negligent skipper who continued sailing regardless.

Tianjin is tricky for the Communist Party because, according to numerous local reports, there appear to have been big regulatory and legal failures — from the type and quantity of highly toxic chemicals stored at the site to the apparent lack of an inventory and the location of such a dangerous stockpile so close to residential areas.
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dalin80

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NullPointer said:
Do we know the cause of the explosion?

Or of the initial fire if that's what started this off?
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Figuring that out could be just about impossible, with huge quantities of just about every chemical found on earth stored there and several immense explosions (not to mention an incredible fire) essentially nuking the scene and spreading the evidence of a several kilometre radius there isn't much to be done.

It would be like trying to figure out what type of knife killed a man after his body had been torn apart by a black hole.
 
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Aaronology

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PeregrinSe7en said:
yeah up above another poster that quoted me with a link to that same video.

i dont think they would have been laughing if they had been closer
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The only laugh was when the Chinese woman asked, "are we dangerous here?" Honestly their reactions are being overblown and misinterpreted to the extreme. They were clearly in shock, not sitting around eating popcorn.
 
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marimorimo

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Chairmanchuck said:
Which seems to be an asian trait I guess. I mean during the reactor explosion in Japan, they didnt let reporters near the place and still dont.
Which is a shame...
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Ratrat said:
Can we not? pretty fucked up thing to say.
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I guess "trait" is too much of a trigger word for race-sensitive Westerners, but in essence Chairmanchuck is correct. Might have been better to use the word "Asian Protocol." East Asians are very strict and particular in the handling of information (ANY type of information, including some that you would not even think as sensitive/confidential). There is a strong impetus to control all publicly disclosed information, streams, and sources. Any person in charge who says anything without prior consent is at the risk of losing his/her position.
 
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ActStriker

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marimorimo said:
I guess "trait" is too much of a trigger word for race-sensitive Westerners, but in essence Chairmanchuck is correct. Might have been better to use the word "Asian Protocol." East Asians are very strict and particular in the handling of information (ANY type of information, including some that you would not even think as sensitive/confidential). There is a strong impetus to control all publicly disclosed information, streams, and sources. Any person in charge who says anything without prior consent is at the risk of losing his/her position.
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You mean people don't want misinformation to spread and control the information flow in events like these? No way!
 
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