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[CarlisleDavid1979]

On BBC news they've just stated 406 people lived there with 50 people being treated for injuries.

 

[Moobabe]

Don't put that on yourself man, it looks like the community is coming together well to help out. Can't be there for everything. If it's eating at you just throw some cash when a fund is set up.

Yeah you're right, it's great to see the community out to help whoever they can - be it families involved or the firefighters.

Just read a blog from one of the resident's about how the whole building was a fire risk and the landlords were doing nothing about it.

 

[MarkMclovin]

Awful news to wake up to.

Hope most people got out.

 

[Breakage]

The trite "lessons must be learnt" response seems to be the default excuse for neglect and serious failures these days.

 

[Royce McCutcheon]

Probably been mentioned already, but the BBC New Special just had an eyewitness report of a woman who threw her baby from the 9th or 10th floor down to the crowd below to save it. A man was able to catch it, but...jesus. I can't even, and don't want to, imagine it. I'm dreading the evening report's figures.

I don't envy the crowd in that situation.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

- Fire alarms not working
- Highly flammable cladding and poor building management
- Instructions to tell people to stay put
- Water points for the fire brigade that surround building inoperable.

I mean... What the fuck. Everybody involved in this needs to go down for it in a big way. The last one takes the cake. It sounds like the firemen got there really quickly but were delayed in being able to get the fire under control because of having to run up to the next road to run their hoses back to the building. It's a fucking joke.

To add to that: One of the people interviewed by the BBC explained that getting physical access for the fire services was apparently difficult due to fencing and the like around a green space that couldn't be easily removed.

 

[Par Score]

On BBC news they've just stated 406 people lived there with 50 people being treated for injuries.

406 official residents. The actual number of people living there could have been as high as 600.

 

[Jackpot]

So the local council tried to gag the action group that complained about the fire alarms.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/07/27/a-flying-mallet/

 

[JonnyDBrit]

So the local council tried to gag the action group that complained about the fire alarms.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/07/27/a-flying-mallet/

Gnashing teeth over here.

Doesn't seem so unfounded now, does it?

 

[edbrat]

Awful, awful, awful.

Check the batteries in your smoke alarms, test your fire alarm and make sure everyone you live with knows exactly what to do and how to get out if there is a fire.

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

Absolutely disgusting, the image of the person flashing their lights on and off as the fire moves towards them will haunt me forever.

This is what happens when you put profits ahead of people, people need to wake the fuck up.

Prison is literally too good for the people responsible for this building.

 

[RumblingRosco]

Awful, awful, awful.

Check the batteries in your smoke alarms, test your fire alarm and make sure everyone you live with knows exactly what to do and how to get out if there is a fire.

Also, buy two fire extinguishers, make sure your entire family knows how to use them, and keep one in the kitchen and one in your bedroom in a dresser.

 

[Jonnax]

So the local council tried to gag the action group that complained about the fire alarms.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/07/27/a-flying-mallet/

Oh. Kensington and Chelsea, eh?

I imagine there's people working for that council celebrating because they can replace that block with luxury apartments now.

 

[theaface]

Sure it's already been posted, but this makes for a profound reading experience this morning. What an awful way to have to say "we told you so".

Though they weren't able to help the poor souls lost in this fire, I hope that the consequences that come to bear on all of those who ignored these warnings serve as a massive wake up call to others in the future.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2017/06/14/grenfell-tower-fire/

 

[JoeBoy101]

- Fire alarms not working
- Highly flammable cladding and poor building management
- Instructions to tell people to stay put
- Water points for the fire brigade that surround building inoperable.

I mean... What the fuck. Everybody involved in this needs to go down for it in a big way. The last one takes the cake. It sounds like the firemen got there really quickly but were delayed in being able to get the fire under control because of having to run up to the next road to run their hoses back to the building. It's a fucking joke.

I hope the building owners are buckled up because they're going to be doing time. All four of those, at least here in the states, can be put squarely on their head, with a spare pickup of the contractors involved as well? Last inspection of the fire extinguishers (if there are any, and if not, a violation in an of itself)? Last inspection of the alarm system? Whose monitoring the alarm system? Those instructions are unbelievable.

Where I'm at in the states, a smoke alarm in a designated 'high-rise' only cause alarms to trip on that floor and the floor immediately above and below it. But, if any pull station is used, it dumps the entire buildings (alarms, strobes, fire dept automatically called). The water points outside, unless on the building itself, might be more municipal negligence though. Depends on whose responsibility it was, but my understanding that outside the building, its on the city/county.

The trite "lessons must be learnt" response seems to be the default excuse for neglect and serious failures these days.

Its a reasonable response. But what's also reasonable is how well prison can teach other building owners on some matters like neglecting the most basic of safety procedures.

 

[Ghost]

The directors of this company need to be charged with manslaughter.

 

[Daffy Duck]

Sure it's already been posted, but this makes for a profound reading experience this morning. What an awful way to have to say "we told you so".

Though they weren't able to help the poor souls lost in this fire, I hope that the consequences that come to bear on all of those who ignored these warnings serve as a massive wake up call to others in the future.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2017/06/14/grenfell-tower-fire/

This post in particular....

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/grenfell-tower-from-bad-to-worse/

 

[Machina]

Metro Police confirm 6 dead so far

 

[entremet]

This is complete negligence. Not at the scale of the dams of Katrina, but very similar.

 

[Zvonimir Boban]

I'm lost for words, I don't normally get too affected by these things but this is really upsetting me. The fact that the residents tried to warn the authorities of the dangers, the fact that this may have been avoidable, being trapped in there for hours knowing that you are going to die with no way of escaping, all those lives lost or ruined because people were too lazy/cheap to provide adequate protection for these people... The whole thing is too much to handle

That interview on BBC news is heartbreaking.

Young man telling how his mom and infant sister were trapped in 11th floor until around 6am. They survived 5 hours in that inferno. Absolutely incredible considering those images I've seen from the middle of the night....

The bit where his mother apparently tried to tell him 'I'm fine', on the phone, panic in her voice, got to me. Because even while trapped in the closest thing to hell on Earth, she was trying to keep her son calm.

And this just wrecked me.

 

[Auctopus]

That interview about the phone call with his mother is too much.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Metro Police confirm 6 dead so far

Which means it already matches the Lakanal House tower fire for fatalities. This is just gonna get worse.

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

Which means it already matches the Lakanal House tower fire for fatalities. This is just gonna get worse.

I'd expect triple digits.

 

[openrob]

This is in the Kensington constituency, the one that made headlines last week for the drastic gain for Labour from it's Conservative history by a 20 vote margin.

 

[Ethelwulf]

This is fucking horrible

 

[chimpden]

I hope the building owners are buckled up because they're going to be doing time.

It's predominately social housing, so ultimately the owner is the local council (although it is managed by a housing association). I wouldn't expect criminal charges.

 

[Zelenogorsk]

Anyone know if there is a risk of the tower collapsing?

 

[Machina]

Anyone know if there is a risk of the tower collapsing?

Engineers on site say no

 

[JoeBoy101]

It's predominately social housing, so ultimately the owner is the local council (although it is managed by a housing association). I wouldn't expect criminal charges.

That's a pity. They should at least lose their jobs.

 

[aygomyownroad]

The eye witness accounts are horrific, like seriously heartbreaking stuff.

The more I read the more astounded I am at the level of incompetency. they are supplying them with gas and the gas pipes were in the Stair well??? Talk about safety!!

Seemingly it was a fridge according to someone in the building at the time, exploded on the 4th floor.

But god I couldn't imagine to witness this.

RIP to everyone, because that is a horrid way to go

 

[RumblingRosco]

It's predominately social housing, so ultimately the owner is the local council (although it is managed by a housing association). I wouldn't expect criminal charges.

That's insane if no one is serving time for this.

 

[cyberheater]

So the local council tried to gag the action group that complained about the fire alarms.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/07/27/a-flying-mallet/

That will come back and bite them big time and rightly so.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

It's predominately social housing, so ultimately the owner is the local council (although it is managed by a housing association). I wouldn't expect criminal charges.

One would hope at least voters keep this in mind during their next council elections. Because seriously, there has to be some consequence to this.

 

[weekev]

Someone at my work lives 400 yards away and has taken the day off work after witnessing it first hand. He's too traumatised to do anything today. RIP to the victims, the people responsible need to go to jail for the rest of their lives. Horrific.

 

[aygomyownroad]

That will come back and bite them big time and rightly so.

Scandalous. Making me so angry. Someone will get the blame and at worst lose their job (probably resign) and then get another job later on.

Hundreds have Suffered, all because of incompetence.

 

[cyberheater]

My house burnt down when I was a kid. We lost everything. We only had the cloths on our back. It was a horrible experience that gave me nightmares for years.

Those poor people.

 

[Wind's Howling]

Hearing that the death toll is six and that they haven't even counted everyone... Damn. That is quite disheartening.

 

[TyrantII]

Absolutely disgusting, the image of the person flashing their lights on and off as the fire moves towards them will haunt me forever.

This is what happens when you put profits ahead of people, people need to wake the fuck up.

Prison is literally too good for the people responsible for this building.

Quoted for truth. These things should not be happening in the richest countries in the world, in the history of the world.

When people tell you there's no money for this and that, they're lying with their hand in your pocket and the pocket of your community.

 

[Par Score]

It's predominately social housing, so ultimately the owner is the local council (although it is managed by a housing association). I wouldn't expect criminal charges.

This will go way higher than that. It already implicates Downing Street.

This is a Hillsborough style disaster, without the possibility of a Hillsborough style cover up. I would expect significant jail time, and resignations reaching into the highest levels of government.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

This will go way higher than that. It already implicates Downing Street.

This is a Hillsborough style disaster, without the possibility of a Hillsborough style cover up. I would expect significant jail time, and resignations reaching into the highest levels of government.

Well holy fucking shit. This could have prevented at every functional level and wasn't.

 

[ss1]

This will go way higher than that. It already implicates Downing Street.

This is a Hillsborough style disaster, without the possibility of a Hillsborough style cover up. I would expect significant jail time, and resignations reaching into the highest levels of government.

I smell another resignation very soon...

 

[Z3K]

Reading that Grenfell action blog is just making me so angry, I want those responsible for this disaster to go to jail for this, no mercy.

 

[enemy2k]

Horrific. Everyone responsible for this tragedy must face justice.

 

[Nikodemos]

Anybody who could've prevented this, but didn't give enough of a fuck to do so needs to be shot out of a cannon into the sun.

 

[dbztrk]

This is one of the reason why I could never live in a high rise. Trying to get out of a massive fire like that is near impossible.

 

[Machina]

Getting worried about collapse. These fires have been burning for almost 12 hours

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

Jesus, having to make that decision would be horrific.

Having to catch? That pressure.

 

[RulkezX]

It's predominately social housing, so ultimately the owner is the local council (although it is managed by a housing association). I wouldn't expect criminal charges.

Utter shite.

The HSE have amongst the most far reaching powers in the country and are not shy to to use them.

If someone is responsible , they'll 100% face jail.

 

[Ravensmash]

Having to catch? That pressure.

Was thinking about that earlier - makes me shudder even to think about it.

Horrible tragedy.

 

[poutmeter]

Absolutely disgusting, the image of the person flashing their lights on and off as the fire moves towards them will haunt me forever.

I got chills just by reading this, I can't even imagine how they felt or anyone who was watching and could not help.

I hope most of the residents were evacuated safely, and the people responsible face justice.