Massive twin suicide attack in Beirut

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The death total could easily have been s larger or greater than Paris had it not been for one man.



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On a side note: It's beyond depressing to see that this thread is all of 2 pages (with a lot of the conversation questioning if it was a tragedy) whilst the Paris thread is now currently at page 152.

http://mic.com/articles/128551/terr...anon-kills-43-and-injures-hundreds#.VBjMyUasI

An amazing man.
 
Just reading wiki - Shia Muslims believe one guy is the successor to Mohammad and Sunnis believe it's someone else.
Yet they both believe in Mohammad as the prophet.
So can someone please explain to me why Shia and Sunni don't like like each other? Is it solely based on the successor or something else?

from what I understand, it is partly political and partly theological and has been culminating for hundreds of years.

first of all there are many sects in Sunni Islam and Shia Islam, the main theological difference (and I could be mistaken, so please correct me if I'm wrong) is that shia's believe in religious leaders that are infallible and are guided by god and consider many of the prophet's relatives to be holy.
In Sunni Islam there isn't a religious authority, the 4 Caliphs are political leaders that are greatly respected and revered. (Shia's consider the first 3 to be usurpers)
Even today there is no such thing as a religiously appointed leader in Sunni Islam. Caliphs, Mufti's and whatnot have no religious authority. Shia's (at least twelver shia's in Iran) have an appointed religious leader. (I'm not sure how much religious authority he has though).

But in the end I think the main reason behind this is because some men want power, and what better way to get something than fuck someone over, and what better way to get the support to do that than have an enemy to rally against.
 
Awful tragedy. These last couple days have been terrible (and yeah, I know every day in the Middle East is tragic).

And that man is a legitimate hero. I doubt too many people could have done what he did.
 
It's sad how small this thread is while the Paris thread seems to be in the hundreds of pages. This isn't news to me but it really is proof that people don't give a damn about the Middle East.

My gut feeling (And I'm not saying I agree with the sentiment, nor am I saying I'm 100% right about it) is that a lot of the resonance and empathy also seems to be based on to personal fears. Like, if it happens in a country/culture remotely comparable to your own, in terms of security, geographical location, heck, racial makeup (I've heard 'it would be harder for suicide bombers to blend in a Caucasian crowd than a Middle Eastern one'), then it has a chance of happening to you, and jeopardizing the safety or well being of you or those around you.

This is doubly true when people (of the Western hemisphere) simply have a higher chance of having visited Paris/France than Beirut/Lebanon and have personal attachment to the location. Heck, Nobuo Uematsu and Yoko Shimomura were both in France a week ago. (Uematsu was actually at Piano Opera Final Fantasy at that very same concert hall, exactly a week prior)

At this point, I'm not even disappointed anymore, just mildly jaded. I'd like to hope that as the world gets less and less separated due to social media and the like, we'd start to have more empathy for each other.
 
Ahmed Moufaq who is the correspondent in Pakistan for Al Jazeera called the suicide attackers Fedayeen. Disgusting.

I had no idea this attack happened. Only found out because people on Twitter were wondering why Facebook didnt have the security check in available for Beirut when they did for Paris. I feel so bad for people living in the middle east. Seems like most people just dont give a shit about them.

The dude that jumped on the suicide bomber is a damn hero.

Beirut, Paris, Japan... What a shitty fucking weekend.
There was bombing in Baghdad as well, in fact it happened just several hours before the events in Paris unfolded. 17 people died in Baghdad from a suicide bomber detonating at a funeral, and of course no one gave a fuck or paid attention to it. "Brown" life is cheap, moreso in a country that has been totally fucked over the past 5-6 decades by a part of the Western world and surrounding Middle Eastern countries.
 
My gut feeling (And I'm not saying I agree with the sentiment, nor am I saying I'm 100% right about it) is that a lot of the resonance and empathy also seems to be based on to personal fears. Like, if it happens in a country/culture remotely comparable to your own, in terms of security, geographical location, heck, racial makeup (I've heard 'it would be harder for suicide bombers to blend in a Caucasian crowd than a Middle Eastern one'), then it has a chance of happening to you, and jeopardizing the safety or well being of you or those around you.

This is doubly true when people (of the Western hemisphere) simply have a higher chance of having visited Paris/France than Beruit/Lebanon and have personal attachment to the location. Heck, Nobuo Uematsu and Yoko Shimomura were both in France a week ago. (Uematsu was actually at Piano Opera Final Fantasy at that very same concert hall, exactly a week prior)

At this point, I'm not even disappointed anymore, just mildly jaded. I'd like to hope that as the world gets less and less separated due to social media and the like, we'd start to have more empathy for each other.

Id like to know what percentage of GAF users are from USA, UK, first world European countries and Australia. The thread hits are probably more reflected of the fact that its easier for the majority of people on GAF can relate to living in Paris easier than living in Beruit, hence, the Paris attack is scarier.

That's me speaking as an Australian. I have been to Paris and walked around it. I know Australia has similar security measures which the French use at sporting events and around the cities and policing etc, yet there are still 120 people killed which makes me feel unsafe.

I haven't been to Beruit, or even know the slightest about what security measures they implement to reduce the chance of terrorist attack. So its harder for me to relate to that bombing unfortunately.
 
Id like to know what percentage of GAF users are from USA, UK, first world European countries and Australia. The thread hits are probably more reflected of the fact that its easier for the majority of people on GAF can relate to living in Paris easier than living in Beruit, hence, the Paris attack is scarier.

For what it's worth, I'm from Malaysia, a moderate Muslim country, and spent the last 5 years in Boston.

Personally for me, the fact that a concert venue was a target is very unsettling and can be closely related to. (My company does concerts alongside our soundtrack recording contracting) And I have close working relationship with people of French, German, Japanese and Australian nationality just off top of head who actually were involved in aforementioned concerts in France and the Bataclan a week ago.

Yet at the same time, out of respect for all the atrocities going on in the rest of the world, I simply refrain from anything outward I feel is superficial and/or disproportionate. Things like temporary facebook profile pictures, rampant politicking and personal soapboxes fall under that regard as far as I'm concerned.
 
It's sad how small this thread is while the Paris thread seems to be in the hundreds of pages. This isn't news to me but it really is proof that people don't give a damn about the Middle East.

RIP to everyone who lost their lives in Beirut.

The ongoing, never-ending terror is happening elsewhere, thousands upon thousands of civilians wiped off the face of the planet every year by extremists groups(and more than that injured), and yet you will not hear your average US citizen acknowledge that, and you're more likely to hear ISIS is here, or they're coming, and they want to destroy our country and way of life(I mean, they totally would but lets get some perspective here).

It's the "other", if doesn't affect their country, or people that look like them, the majority, then it's irrelevant. You're not gonna see a middle eastern Muslim that saved many lives get any play in the media here, it screws with this carefully built up narrative that's been built up, and it won't do well with ratings.

I mean, can almost understand it, we're wired a certain way, and can fall into these sorts of traps, especially when left unchecked, but it's still sad, because yeah, the horrors many are facing in the middle east aren't just thought about with a lack of empathy by so many, they're barely thought about at all.
 
Ahmed Moufaq who is the correspondent in Pakistan for Al Jazeera called the suicide attackers Fedayeen. Disgusting.


There was bombing in Baghdad as well, in fact it happened just several hours before the events in Paris unfolded. 17 people died in Baghdad from a suicide bomber detonating at a funeral, and of course no one gave a fuck or paid attention to it. "Brown" life is cheap, moreso in a country that has been totally fucked over the past 5-6 decades by a part of the Western world and surrounding Middle Eastern countries.

Dude I didnt even know about the Baghdad attack. Damn RIP.

Also whats Fedayeen?
 
Ahmed Moufaq who is the correspondent in Pakistan for Al Jazeera called the suicide attackers Fedayeen. Disgusting.


There was bombing in Baghdad as well, in fact it happened just several hours before the events in Paris unfolded. 17 people died in Baghdad from a suicide bomber detonating at a funeral, and of course no one gave a fuck or paid attention to it. "Brown" life is cheap, moreso in a country that has been totally fucked over the past 5-6 decades by a part of the Western world and surrounding Middle Eastern countries.
Well of course, neither Lebanon or Iraq have an attractive flag that people can overlay on their facebook profiles to show that they "care".
Forgive my cynicism, such a tragic and depressing weekend.
 
The death total could easily have been s larger or greater than Paris had it not been for one man.



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On a side note: It's beyond depressing to see that this thread is all of 2 pages (with a lot of the conversation questioning if it was a tragedy) whilst the Paris thread is now currently at page 152.

http://mic.com/articles/128551/terr...anon-kills-43-and-injures-hundreds#.VBjMyUasI

Apparently his daughter didn't end up dying which is very heart lifting.
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RIP to the man.
 
Apparently his daughter didn't end up dying which is very heart lifting.
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RIP to the man.

That picture is heartbreaking and it is being repeated way too often. Kids burying parents, parents burying their kids.

ISIS wants this war. They want to create anger and hatred and divide the world. We must prove that we are better.

It's not a Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Atheist or whatever thing. It is a human thing. Reject radicalization where ever you see it.
 
Damn, I had no idea this happened. This happened a day before the Paris attacks? Was there any major news reports about it? The Paris attacks were a tragedy, but Western culture and media definitely values certain lives over others.

Adel is a real hero though. Shit, what a selfless thing to do. Thoughts go out to his family and the families of all the victims.
 
I hate humans.

This kind of negative, glass half empty approach to the story doesn't exactly further humanity.

You can look at the story and see the suicide bomber and say "I hate humans", or you can look at it and see the heroic act of one man to save a hundred and say "I love humans".

Personally, I fall somewhere in between, but I'm not about to let the act of one human (or one data point in a sample of anything) influence my love or hatred of the entire race.

I realize you were probably posting a knee-jerk reaction and probably aren't actually a legitimate nihilist, but surely you can appreciate that a broad, sweeping statement of hatred is strikingly similar to the ignorance terrorists and intolerant people in general harbor.
 
And the Jewish community center bombing in Argentina.



I figured they hated the West more than the Shiites. I wasn't aware that their deep hatred for Shiites went far enough to open a front in Beirut. I don't mind being educated on that aspect of the conflict. I really don't know much about it, which is why I said I was surprised. I understand IS attacking in Iraq and Syria for more land, but Beirut didn't make sense.

Has there always been violent armed conflict of this level between Sunnis and Shiites or is this a relatively new thing?

Then you know absolutely dick all about the Middle East. Sunni extremists hate Shiites more than anyone else.
 
We'd definitely be in a much better position to appropriately deal with these issues if Westerners showed the solidarity, compassion and empathy for non-Westerners that they do for Westerners :/

Small minded tribalism doesn't allow it.
 
Sigh. This is tangential at best, but just to follow up my previous sentiment, over the past twelve hours, social media has deteriorated from people mourning France, to people saying people should mourn other countries, right to pretty much a whole bunch of people shit-flinging at each other en-masse.

Why can't we all be nice to each other? :|
 
People are dying everywhere. Such a sad world.

and what is even sadder is than no one is paying attention to this While the news is flogged on Paris (although the causality is much higher there)

RIP to all involved and condolences to their family and friend. The horrible thing is that Beirut is supposed to be awesome place to visit.
 
Sigh. This is tangential at best, but just to follow up my previous sentiment, over the past twelve hours, social media has deteriorated from people mourning France, to people saying people should mourn other countries, right to pretty much a whole bunch of people shit-flinging at each other en-masse.

Why can't we all be nice to each other? :|

Because social media. Seriously, as useful as it is, it's also a hotbed for hate.
 
People are dying everywhere. Such a sad world.

and what is even sadder is than no one is paying attention to this While the news is flogged on Paris (although the causality is much higher there)

RIP to all involved and condolences to their family and friend. The horrible thing is that Beirut is supposed to be awesome place to visit.

Same thing happened right around the Hebdo attack. Thanks media
 
Apparently his daughter didn't end up dying which is very heart lifting.
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RIP to the man.

I read somewhere that he had 2 daughters, so this might be his second girl. Hope both his daughters are safe and sound.

Edit: Based on another picture it looks like he has 1 daughter and 1 son :(
 
The death total could easily have been s larger or greater than Paris had it not been for one man.



CTvRyRIUwAEvtX-.jpg


On a side note: It's beyond depressing to see that this thread is all of 2 pages (with a lot of the conversation questioning if it was a tragedy) whilst the Paris thread is now currently at page 152.

http://mic.com/articles/128551/terr...anon-kills-43-and-injures-hundreds#.VBjMyUasI

What a hero : ) RIP to him. If there is a heaven, he's there right now, watching over his daughter.
 
I got a news alert and reading the headlines had me scared shitless as someone very close to me was supposed to be in Beirut for work (in a completely different part of town). Then the next day, I was scared a lot more for friends and family as I checked who was out dining in Paris and made sure everyone was okay.

I'm writing this to say that as a non-Muslim French dude, my heart goes out to people in Lebanon, and it's high fucking time we stopped othering everyone else. I know distance and cultural differences can make it less relatable, but at the end of the day, a lot of people have the same concerns and aren't looking to blow up their neighbors. If anything, Lebanon has been incredibly resilient and admirable in its ability to rebuild again and again. Never mind the masses of displaced populations they've taken in over decades.

The death total could easily have been s larger or greater than Paris had it not been for one man.



CTvRyRIUwAEvtX-.jpg


On a side note: It's beyond depressing to see that this thread is all of 2 pages (with a lot of the conversation questioning if it was a tragedy) whilst the Paris thread is now currently at page 152.

http://mic.com/articles/128551/terr...anon-kills-43-and-injures-hundreds#.VBjMyUasI
This is incredible. A true hero.
 
Yes I agree it's tragic such events do not receive nearly the same coverage or social media attention. It appears only attacks on Western countries prompts displays of 'togetherness'.

All human life is equal. No one is superior to one another. No one should be inferior to one another. Whether people in France, Lebanon, Iraq, South Africa or Asia get killed, ideally, there should be equal support.

I'm actually annoyed that Facebook has put French flags only.

I hope this post isn't out of line, but venting some of my thoughts regrading the recent events.

All the same, that man is a hero.
 
I found this article interesting by a Pakistani-Norwegian woman who wrote about politicizing grief, why the French terror attacks gets so much more attention, and if that equals some lives being worth more than others... I fixed it up with google translate since it's in Norwegian, but the translation is fine beside being a little rough around the edges.

https://translate.google.no/transla...is/aa-politisere-sorg/a/23561706/&prev=search

I also want to give my condolence to Beirut and everyone who lost their loved ones.
 
3 pages. This is emblematic, really.

I understand the disproportionate reaction but it still upsets me. The lack of empathy for the "others" is part of how we ended up in this mess to begin with. People react now because of fear, it could be any western country. When 2000 people get slaughtered in Nigeria people barely notice, when 500,000 people are killed in Darfur the west barely intervenes. It's human nature, but it's still horrible to think about, because it seems like as long as the terrible things happen far away they don't really matter.
 
Bah, sad yet something good came out of it thanks to the man's bravery.

Need some good news to wash my mind of this.
 
I don't even think there has been a thread or any media coverage on the attack in Kenya either. Hate to say it but when it happens to brown people it's business as usual especially in Africa of the "Middle East".
 
I found this article interesting by a Pakistani-Norwegian woman who wrote about politicizing grief, why the French terror attacks gets so much more attention, and if that equals some lives being worth more than others... I fixed it up with google translate since it's in Norwegian, but the translation is fine beside being a little rough around the edges.

https://translate.google.no/transla...is/aa-politisere-sorg/a/23561706/&prev=search

Thanks for sharing this. It actually sums up my thoughts pretty well, even through Google Translate.

3 pages. This is emblematic, really.

"So while people mourn the terror attacks in Paris, please, please let us not forget that in a different time and place, heroes put themselves in harms way to save hundreds of others

Like the three American teenagers who stopped a massacre on a French train."

I hope the government set up some funds to help support her or they have a go fund me type thing over there, her father was a true hero.

I would go so far as to say it would be completely inhumane if she isn't taken care of. Her father gave his life to save so many. Those people alone should already be morally obliged to pay back in full.
 
My gut feeling (And I'm not saying I agree with the sentiment, nor am I saying I'm 100% right about it) is that a lot of the resonance and empathy also seems to be based on to personal fears. Like, if it happens in a country/culture remotely comparable to your own, in terms of security, geographical location, heck, racial makeup (I've heard 'it would be harder for suicide bombers to blend in a Caucasian crowd than a Middle Eastern one'), then it has a chance of happening to you, and jeopardizing the safety or well being of you or those around you.

This is doubly true when people (of the Western hemisphere) simply have a higher chance of having visited Paris/France than Beirut/Lebanon and have personal attachment to the location. Heck, Nobuo Uematsu and Yoko Shimomura were both in France a week ago. (Uematsu was actually at Piano Opera Final Fantasy at that very same concert hall, exactly a week prior)

At this point, I'm not even disappointed anymore, just mildly jaded. I'd like to hope that as the world gets less and less separated due to social media and the like, we'd start to have more empathy for each other.

Worst part is when westerners take this attitude and then demand that every Muslim or Arab or brown person in general that they know to be empathetic when it happens on "their soil"

When westerners wave off or forget events like this, they shouldn't be surprised by the same reaction occurring to them, even though this opposite reaction sometimes doesn't even happen (people in other countries are still condemning the PAris attacks)

from what I understand, it is partly political and partly theological and has been culminating for hundreds of years.

first of all there are many sects in Sunni Islam and Shia Islam, the main theological difference (and I could be mistaken, so please correct me if I'm wrong) is that shia's believe in religious leaders that are infallible and are guided by god and consider many of the prophet's relatives to be holy.
In Sunni Islam there isn't a religious authority, the 4 Caliphs are political leaders that are greatly respected and revered. (Shia's consider the first 3 to be usurpers)
Even today there is no such thing as a religiously appointed leader in Sunni Islam. Caliphs, Mufti's and whatnot have no religious authority. Shia's (at least twelver shia's in Iran) have an appointed religious leader. (I'm not sure how much religious authority he has though).

But in the end I think the main reason behind this is because some men want power, and what better way to get something than fuck someone over, and what better way to get the support to do that than have an enemy to rally against.

Twelver shia believe that the Imam himself, the 12th imam, is alive. But Ayatullah Khamenei isn't that leader. Essentially, shia fall itno two man ideologies:

Those that believe in interpreting the hadiths, Qu'ran, etc. to make new rulings- much larger
Those that don't

In the first group , the ones who can do so- the marja, are scholars who have reached a high enough point in their studying and understanding such that they may issue ruling, fatwas, etc.These are mainly in regards to things that aren't entirely clarified, such as praying in a plane, to the responsibility of more major things, such as Qoms, the donation of a certain percentage of your income to be used for charity or other religious projects (iirc the Al-Askari Mosque is partially being rebuilt with funds from Qoms)

At the age of adulthood, you're supposed to do the research and decide upon a marja based on the qualification, so far as you can figure out, of who is "most knowledgeable"

Ayatullah Khamenei isn't even the marja with the largest number of followers. This is actually Ayatullah Syed Sistani, who lives in Najaf, Iraq.
 
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