Mat Piscatella from NPD: Data still suggest that subscription services like Game Pass are helping grow the overall market
Schmick
Member
So he has no data?
bender
What time is it?
It seems more like a "no duh" conclusion. People are social creatures and have more avenues to let their voices be heard thanks to eight jillion different social media platforms. Game Pass subscriber plays a good game and posts about it so Tweet 1 happens. Conversely if that Game Pass users plays a bad game and posts about it, Tweet 2 happens. Further, Game Pass or other subscription services are probably great even if you game is bad as you get paid to be on that service which is going to make you more money 99.9% of the time anyway.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Real life example: I played Forgotten City on Gamepass, told a buddy about how great it is, he then bought it on Steam. An absolute win for the game developer.
Mr Hyde
Gold Member
I hate subscription services in general but that's just me and my preference. It's always good to have a wide range of options for customers and the subscription models do offer a great value, especially for people who are digital only. And for the companies it offers a steady stream of revenue income opposite traditional purchasing. It can only be a win win situation. If these two models can co-exist it would be great indeed for the industry going forward.
Augusto Pinochet
Banned
The future of gaming business is subscription based. Its just a matter of time.
Msoft are going to be the top dog in that regard for sure.
Only Nintendo will keep selling physical because their fanbase is more oldschool gmers and will demand it.
Sony will be caught in the middle of it all without being able to lead neither space physical nor digital.
Msoft are going to be the top dog in that regard for sure.
Only Nintendo will keep selling physical because their fanbase is more oldschool gmers and will demand it.
Sony will be caught in the middle of it all without being able to lead neither space physical nor digital.
Schmick
Member
They will... there's no way the traditional model will go away. Ever.
I subscribe and I buys games. As you said a great combination.
GHG
Member
Yeh I see that, due to the increased exposure gamepass offers for the games on the service. However I'd expect someone in his position to still be able to provide people with at least a couple of more recent data points to back up his statements.
Augusto Pinochet
Banned
Correct me if im wrong. Does that data mean CoD is selling better on Xbox than on Pstation in relative terms? Wow. Xbox is killinig it. This is going to be a very competitive gen.
Griffon
Member
Yup, another full of shit gamepass/renting thread.
Chukhopops
Member
Just look at the Steam top sellers:
- Halo #1
- Forza #5 after a month, #2 if you only count full price sales
- AoE #14, or #4 if you count only full price sales
There's no cannibalization basically. Forza was #4 in the NPD just below Pokémon.
- Halo #1
- Forza #5 after a month, #2 if you only count full price sales
- AoE #14, or #4 if you count only full price sales
There's no cannibalization basically. Forza was #4 in the NPD just below Pokémon.
Gameplaylover
Member
I made 2 people buy 12 minutes, a game i never would have known of without Game Pass.
UK sales data? I don't know a good estimate of the number of PS/Xbox's out there in the UK and how many are active uniques?
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
"Potential downside is if a game is poorly received on the service. That sentiment also appears to be amplified, which can weigh sales down."
Yea this is true, i guess theres a risk when the devs launch their games on subscription service.
btw where is the data?
Yea this is true, i guess theres a risk when the devs launch their games on subscription service.
btw where is the data?
bender
What time is it?
I hope those people are your enemies.
mejin
Member
I find it interesting that this analysis of Piscatella is always and totally limited to the universe of games that come out on GP and sell on other platforms.
Then..."traditional won't go anywhere"
Yeah. It's better that we listen to couch experts from GAF, that don't have even small fraction of data. Don't listen to the guy, who is paid for his analysis and have all important data to draw conclusion from...
Chukhopops
Member
GP isn't a platform and is available on PC so I'm not sure what your point is, but I agree that traditional sales won't go anywhere. Even as an admitted GP enthousiast I still buy plenty of games, it's not supposed to replace those.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
1.3:1 in favor of Playstation is in my head, but I can't tell you the source since I don't remember.
Goalus
Member
He also doesn't share the data that show Switch finished first in November. He just said it was number one. I wonder if he pulled all the other rankings out of his ass too? They aren't backed by any data that could be publicly verified.
I can fully understand if a game appearing on gamepass results in the game getting more exposure and hence getting more sales for a good game or equally less sales for a bad game on other platforms. What I don't believe is gamepass increasing sales overall. I think he is referring to the former?
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No. Where are you getting CoD data from?
Banjo64
cumsessed
I could see it in some individual situations (whether it's an overall net increase, I don't know).
My first exposure to Uncharted was Uncharted 3 on PS Plus. Since then I've bought every available ND game. Same with Souls. DeS was on PS Plus, bought every From game since.
Subscription services can definitely give you access to games by devs you wouldn't have bought, which in turn can influence future purchasing decisions.
In Xbox's example, I definitely don't buy any of their first party day one anymore. Bought Gears 5 digitally for £8 using £5 reward credit. But my spending on MTX has probably increased e.g I'm happy to buy the battle passes for Halo and will buy an armour set.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
"Grow the market" is a pretty nebulous claim. Are we talking about user numbers, engagement hours, revenue including upsell from add-ons or factoring in subscription costs?
Similarly I'm not at all sure of the criteria to determine "can help boost traditional purchasing". How do you calculate that exactly? Is that an uptick in sales because of the promotional effect of a title being on a service? Especially with the caveat that a bad reception can have the opposite effect and damage sales across the board... Which seems to me like something that would happen in any case!
Similarly I'm not at all sure of the criteria to determine "can help boost traditional purchasing". How do you calculate that exactly? Is that an uptick in sales because of the promotional effect of a title being on a service? Especially with the caveat that a bad reception can have the opposite effect and damage sales across the board... Which seems to me like something that would happen in any case!
Goalus
Member
Makes sense if you're in denial.
I have a feeling though that even receipts wouldn't convince you, so I fully understand that Piscatella doesn't provide any.
Portugeezer
Member
I think he is saying that people talk about a gamepass launch game more than they normally would (perhaps as GP day and date model is still fairly new people mention it a lot?), which "can" help the traditional sales of said game on other non-GP platforms (this part seems like speculation from Matt hence his wording?).
You do you.
You do you.
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SLB1904
Banned
Too many paid shills out there. It will take more than "trust me" for me to believe
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Few reasons.
Some people want to play the game on day one and not wait 9-12 months for it to drop on GP, that is if it even drops on GP in the first place..
The third party games on GP don't stay there forever. They're in rotation and leave the service..
Some people prefer to buy the games and play them whenever they want, rather than just a timed rental of a game.
Then there are people who only have limited time and only play a few selected games per year. For these people, GP isn't value for money as they'll never play a fraction of the games offered on the service.
Gameplaylover
Member
They actually liked it. Of copurse it's not perfect, but at least it's a clever and innovative game and not another generic 3rd person action adventure or shooter.
TBiddy
Member
What a shocker. Truly!
Chukhopops
Member
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SLB1904
Banned
Deal with it
Banjo64
cumsessed
bender
What time is it?
Time loops aren't new or innovative.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Traditional purchasing isn't going anywhere. And it's totally fine as an individual consumer to not want to subscribe to a service. You do you.
this is a fucking lie.
ofc the style of games will change.
look at what spotify did.
is this bad? no but it will change stuff severely
this is a fucking lie.
ofc the style of games will change.
look at what spotify did.
is this bad? no but it will change stuff severely
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Augusto Pinochet
Banned
Somebody posted that the CoD split was 57 to 43 for Playstation. That means it sold comparatively better on Xbox.
Gameplaylover
Member
I haven't seen another game like this, but even if there is something similar it's not as generic as other genres. But in the end it doesn't matter: I liked it, my friends liked it, end of story.
MOTM
Banned
Some of you people sound like religious extremists. Is their an automatic switch that turns on in your brain when anything positive about MS comes out?
Like what on planet earth does this guy gain from lieing about subscription services?
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Augusto Pinochet
Banned
These guys are aproaching 9/11 Twoofer levels.i like them.Some of you people sound like religious extremists. Is their an automatic switch that turns on in your brain when anything positive about MS comes out?
Like what on planet earth does this guy gain from lieing about subscription services?
