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[Gaiff]

PRO competes vs PC not consoles.

lmao, no it doesn't. The Pro is a console competing against other consoles. Its biggest competitor is the regular PS5, just like whenever a new GPU generation launches, the fiercest competitor is the previous one, not consoles.

The PRO is for the ones that want a near PC experience without the need of spent more money and take time assembling or buying one and later invest time with GPU performance. With PRO is plug and play. Also personally I am a control guy dont like keyboard/mouse so I find myself playing more on the PRO than PC since I Have it.

Absolutely untrue. The Pro is for those who want a premium console experience. You're not getting a PC-like experience with the PS5 Pro any more than you are with the regular PS5. What drives PC isn't even performance, it's the flexibility and customization, something that's absent with the Pro (or any console, really). The PS5 Pro is a console and when someone ponders whether to buy it or not, the most important question is if it's worth it over a regular PS5. I've dealt with the same dilemma when I saw the PS5 on sale during the holidays for $390 for the disc drive vs $700 for the PS5 Pro.

I'm frankly surprised the PS5 Pro is doing as well as it is given its price tag compared to the regular one. The PS4 Pro was cheap as hell. Imagine how the PS5 Pro would sell if it were $500. It would have blasted the PS4 Pro's numbers.

 

[bender]

It's not a pricing test though. It's simply priced to not sell at a loss. PS6 will be more expensive because hardware is simply more expensive if you need to compete with the likes of Apple and Nvidia that sell the same mm2 of wafer for 8-10 times more than you do.

Disagreed, but that aside, Sony will have recent sales data on the appeal of a $699 device when hardware/pricing decisions are made on PS6.

 

[LectureMaster]

My view on PS5 Pro has been getting more positive recently, mainly because the continuous support is getting better. Pretty much every game post Pro launch is required to have pro enhancement and recent ones have been good, KCD 2 for instance.

In fact in terms of 4k gaming on a TV, Pro probably offers best values.

 

[PaintTinJr]

It's not a pricing test though. It's simply priced to not sell at a loss. PS6 will be more expensive because hardware is simply more expensive if you need to compete with the likes of Apple and Nvidia that sell the same mm2 of wafer for 8-10 times more than you do.

But that's not really how PlayStation competes, I won't be surprised at all if when all those Indiana Jones, Halo and Gears 30% hit PS5 we don't see Sony decide to take that money and subsidize their console hardware to give every Xbox owner without a PS5 or Pro a reason to 'Jump right in' to expand the install base, and to lift Pro sales for the core install base.

PlayStation has always been about software sales, the minute they start focusing on hardware profitability day one the possibility that an Amazon, Google, Apple, etc see an opening in the market to take Xbox's place and eat half PlayStation's lunch IMO.

 

[SweetTooth]

The rest of the world is even more price sensitive right now although current admin is trying their hardest to tank US as well.

All I know is Sony managed to shift close to 10m units in Q3 in this climate.

 

[skyfinch]

Microsoft are a bunch of jerks for not releasing Series S Pro.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

$960 in Canada. Add 13% Ontario tax and youre at almost $1,100. And that even excludes an external drive and stand if you want that too.

 

[StereoVsn]

All I know is Sony managed to shift close to 10m units in Q3 in this climate.

We will see what happens next few quarters. Also mainly talking about the Pro.

 

[kevboard]

makes sense. the PS4 Pro was actually a tangible upgrade in nearly all games... the PS5 Pro isn't while also having a laughable high price.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

My view on PS5 Pro has getting more positive recently, mainly because the continuous support is getting better. Pretty much every game post Pro launch is required to have pro enhancement and recent ones have been good, KCD 2 for instance.

In fact in terms of 4k gaming on a TV, Pro probably offers best values.

It's a fantastic console, way better than the PS4 Pro upgrade, imho. With a lot more support. People have revisionist history with the PS4 Pro for some odd reason. It wasn't widely supported early on, and the upgrade wasn't as dramatic.

So many titles looked really bad @ 60 fps and now look sharp on the PS5 Pro. It looks superb on a 4K large TV.

 

[PaintTinJr]

lmao, no it doesn't. The Pro is a console competing against other consoles. Its biggest competitor is the regular PS5, just like whenever a new GPU generation launches, the fiercest competitor is the previous one, not consoles.

Absolutely untrue. The Pro is for those who want a premium console experience. You're not getting a PC-like experience with the PS5 Pro any more than you are with the regular PS5. What drives PC isn't even performance, it's the flexibility and customization, something that's absent with the Pro (or any console, really). The PS5 Pro is a console and when someone ponders whether to buy it or not, the most important question is if it's worth it over a regular PS5. I've dealt with the same dilemma when I saw the PS5 on sale during the holidays for $390 for the disc drive vs $700 for the PS5 Pro.

I'm frankly surprised the PS5 Pro is doing as well as it is given its price tag compared to the regular one. The PS4 Pro was cheap as hell. Imagine how the PS5 Pro would sell if it were $500. It would have blasted the PS4 Pro's numbers.

That just isn't consistent with the Pro target market and the whole DF discussion that always frames things as high-end (McDuck money bin) PC versus fixed price PlayStation/Pro for frame-rate/resolution rather than experience.

Which if what you said was true would be the only comparison, and in which cases, yeah, PC doesn't compete with consoles of experience, leading to console only gamers having no interest in DLSS/XeSS/FSR when the Pro with PSSR is the upper limit, but the 10m core market directly compare Pro versus PC, and that is the core demographic for a Pro.

 

[saintjules]

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

PS5 Pro is gonna fly off shelves when GTA drops.

Sony doesn't need it to sell gangbusters either, so why we do we care about how much it sells? It's an enthusiast product.

 

[bundylove]

PS5 Pro is gonna fly off shelves when GTA drops.

Sony doesn't need it to sell gangbusters either, so why we do we care about how much it sells? It's an enthusiast product.

I am ready to play my role as a drug dealer

 

[Kacho]

PS5 Pro is gonna fly off shelves when GTA drops.

Define fly off shelves

 

[saintjules]

Sony doesn't need it to sell gangbusters either, so why we do we care about how much it sells? It's an enthusiast product.

I'll never understand it man. Maybe people hope for failure so that Sony doesn't sell PS6 at a higher price.

I think Playstation Next will be at the same price as the Pro (without disc drive).

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Define fly off shelves

Sell maybe 15-20% of PS5 sales during this period, which is gonna be huge because PS5s in general are going to fly off shelves.

 

[Gaiff]

It's a fantastic console, way better than the PS4 Pro upgrade, imho. With a lot more support. People have revisionist history with the PS4 Pro for some odd reason. It wasn't widely supported early on, and the upgrade wasn't as dramatic.

So many titles looked really bad @ 60 fps and now look sharp on the PS5 Pro. It looks superb on a 4K large TV.

The PS5 Pro is a better upgrade than the PS4 Pro. What makes it so contentious is the significantly higher price tag and lack of disc drive. What people tend to forget is that the majority of PS4 games were 1080p and had good IQ. In a lot of cases, the current-gen consoles at 60fps have worse IQ than the last-gen games at 30fps.

The difference between the PS5 Pro at 60fps vs the PS5 at 60fps is frequently more significant than the difference between the PS4 at 30fps vs the PS4 Pro at 30fps. Off the top of my head, I cannot recall a single game where the IQ on the base PS4 is horrendous. However, there are many games where the IQ in the performance mode on the current consoles is/was unacceptable such as Skull & Bones, FF VII Remake, Jedi Survivor (before they turned off RT), Dragon Age Veilguard. It also seems that most of the growing pains with the Pro have been solved. I don't see cases like Frontiers of Pandora anymore.

 

[RJMacready73]

PS5 Pro is gonna fly off shelves when GTA drops.

Sony doesn't need it to sell gangbusters either, so why we do we care about how much it sells? It's an enthusiast product.

I dunno man, there needs to be a tangible upgrade in visuals and density over the base PS5 and let's face it, it's R* they won't spend a single penny other than the bare minimum support on the Pro, all their resources will be going into optimising it for PS5 followed by X1, those miserable fuckers will simply toggle PSSR on and call it a day

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I dunno man, there needs to be a tangible upgrade in visuals and density over the base PS5 and let's face it, it's R* they won't spend a single penny other than the bare minimum support on the Pro, all their resources will be going into optimising it for PS5 followed by X1, those miserable fuckers will simply toggle PSSR on and call it a day

I don't think that will be the case.

RDR2 had a fantastic Xbox One X version.

Rockstar doesn't give great post-launch support for their games, but they absolutely do support hardware that's already out there. And simply "slapping PSSR" on there is....not something that's bad? That's the point of the console. That's basically FF7R, and it's a dramatic transformation.

 

[Gaiff]

I dunno man, there needs to be a tangible upgrade in visuals and density over the base PS5 and let's face it, it's R* they won't spend a single penny other than the bare minimum support on the Pro, all their resources will be going into optimising it for PS5 followed by X1, those miserable fuckers will simply toggle PSSR on and call it a day

Nah, I think the upgrade will be significant. Rockstar will want to show off this game in the best possible light and there's no sense in having a barely better version on the Pro. There's no PC version to scam people with by pretending it's console footage either.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I'll never understand it man. Maybe people hope for failure so that Sony doesn't sell PS6 at a higher price.

I think Playstation Next will be at the same price as the Pro (without disc drive).

It's a mathematical certainty that the PS6 will be $699 or higher, simply due to inflation.

A $500 cost in 2020 is equivalent to a $612 cost in 2025.

We still have 4 more years until PS6 releases. That's 4 more years of inflation. People better get ready for it.

Sony may try a Dual-SKU approach, with a handheld/hybrid for cheaper, and a legit console for $699. Honestly I am expecting the high end PS6 to cost $799

 

[newtypepilot]

it's way too fucking expensive thanks to no competition. Plus the visual upgrades are not noticeable enough to justify the increased price. Consumers are also more price sensitive given the state of the economy and inflation.

 

[RJMacready73]

Yeah it hasn't done enough for me to go buy one, I was day 1 on the PSVR2 and had the money to go buy the Pro but if the upgrades need to be paused and I need to go 2ft from the screen to see em, it's not worth it imo, so I blew the money on the Sony Theatre Quad instead and have decided to wait till the PS6, unless Sony shows me some real WOW differences, the PS4 Pro was a proper upgrade over the base imo

 

[mckmas8808]

With that stupid price no wonder why.

Do y'all only read the headlines? You all can't be this stupid.

 

[P:axMagellanic]

It's a shit upgrade to their absolute worst console.

 

[Danjin44]

Overprice system that doesn't come with basic feature without paying extra.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I’m really enjoying mine so far, but I never expected the PS5 Pro to keep selling admirably at that high price without a disc drive which had a supposed shortage? With a disc drive and stand it costs almost double what a PS5 costs. I think the number they accomplished so far are impressive all things considered.

 

[Spukc]

Sold my old ps5 for 375 euros.
Paid 620 for the pro. And 100 for the disc drive.

So paid 375, couldn’t fucking care less

 

[ProtoByte]

Porting shit to PC and not pushing devs to even fully utilize the baseline PS5 will do that.

 

[Zacfoldor]

PS5 Pro is the tits. Good product will sell well over time.

 

[Fabieter]

Come on man my post was about as as friendly, inviting, and open as possible, can you not be a total dick today?

I didn't mean you at all. You mentioned Sony being this stupid. Shouldn't be offensive at all.

 

[Quixz]

These will fly off shelves when we hear about the GTA release date, I don't think Sony is worried yet.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

The whole thread is built around misquoting AGAIN.

Also finally bought mine and waiting for it to arrive next week (upgrade from DE so I don’t care about the drive).

 

[Topher]

Define fly off shelves

Will probably catch back up to PS4 Pro

 

[Topher]

The whole thread is built around misquoting AGAIN.

Also finally bought mine and waiting for it to arrive next week (upgrade from DE so I don’t care about the drive).

Congrats on getting the Pro.

What is being misquoted here again? Not doubting, just asking.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Congrats on getting the Pro.

What is being misquoted here again? Not doubting, just asking.

Thanks! Cannot wait to play GT7 and Stellar Blade on a Pro.

Circana tracking is one week less plus there’s good Reddit answer at the top of the page.

 

[LectureMaster]

'm frankly surprised the PS5 Pro is doing as well as it is given its price tag compared to the regular one.

It entices enthusiasts but yeah the price is definitely scaring away casual players (which is the sheer majority of console owners).

One of homies wanted Pro very badly but after the reveal he decided to go for a $500 PS5 Costco bundles with controllers and all accessories.

Guy's making $200k+, money wasn't issue, like you said it mainly was due to the extra not worthy the price increase in his view as a casual player who also has PC and Steam Deck.

I guess that overall PS5 Pro will sell less than PS4 Pro but Sony will make more profits.

 

[LectureMaster]

Thanks! Cannot wait to play GT7 and Stellar Blade on a Pro.

Circana tracking is one week less plus there’s good Reddit answer at the top of the page.

It's not misquote, I included his original post in the OP and you can go read the context yourself.

But those data shouldn't matter as long as you enjoy your new Pro.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Wow I wonder why, truly a mystery.

 

[mckmas8808]

It's a mathematical certainty that the PS6 will be $699 or higher, simply due to inflation.

A $500 cost in 2020 is equivalent to a $612 cost in 2025.

We still have 4 more years until PS6 releases. That's 4 more years of inflation. People better get ready for it.

Sony may try a Dual-SKU approach, with a handheld/hybrid for cheaper, and a legit console for $699. Honestly I am expecting the high end PS6 to cost $799

I think the PS6 will be $599. No way is it $699!

The whole thread is built around misquoting AGAIN.

Also finally bought mine and waiting for it to arrive next week (upgrade from DE so I don’t care about the drive).

They can't help themselves. They need the PS5 Pro to fail.

It's not misquote, I included his original post in the OP and you can go read the context yourself.

But those data shouldn't matter as long as you enjoy your new Pro.

It's not a misquote but it's disingenuous. If you take everything in context the headline and what Matt said reads way worse than the reality.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I think the PS6 will be $599. No way is it $699!

PS5 launched at $620 in 2024 dollars

2028 dollars will be over $699

 

[Physiognomonics]

The PS5 Pro is a better upgrade than the PS4 Pro. What makes it so contentious is the significantly higher price tag and lack of disc drive. What people tend to forget is that the majority of PS4 games were 1080p and had good IQ. In a lot of cases, the current-gen consoles at 60fps have worse IQ than the last-gen games at 30fps.

The difference between the PS5 Pro at 60fps vs the PS5 at 60fps is frequently more significant than the difference between the PS4 at 30fps vs the PS4 Pro at 30fps. Off the top of my head, I cannot recall a single game where the IQ on the base PS4 is horrendous. However, there are many games where the IQ in the performance mode on the current consoles is/was unacceptable such as Skull & Bones, FF VII Remake, Jedi Survivor (before they turned off RT), Dragon Age Veilguard. It also seems that most of the growing pains with the Pro have been solved. I don't see cases like Frontiers of Pandora anymore.

This. the biggest improvements on PS4 Pro have been in CPU limited games with uncapped framerate so we got 30% performance improvement, but those games were the exception, not the rule. Most games were already running at capped 30fps on PS4 with decent IQ (much better than those sub-1080p FSRed games with have on base PS5). Now many games by default get the 45% boost (framerate or resolution) from boost mode alone and the PSSR improvements can be bigger.

But whether the PS5 Pro is selling a bit less than PS4 Pro is irrelevant considering the huge price hike it got. In europe the PS4 PRo with disc drive costed €400. Now the discless PS5 Pro costs the double. It is a HUGE success for Sony and for releasing a very expensive premium console. Again, after PS4, their strategy with PS5 and PS5 Pro was the right one and MS were completely wrong. The one mistake they did with how timid they were with PS4 Pro. It should have been more powerful and more expensive.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

I don't care how well it's selling, but I personally picked the Pro because the image quality in a lot of the games with 60 fps modes is atrocious on the base console (e.g FF7R, Remnant 2, Jedi Survivor, Space Marine 2, SW Outlaws, Avatar, etc.). Like there are 30 fps games on the base PS4 that have better IQ than some of these current gen games with 60 fps modes I've mentioned, and that's not okay at all.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

I did my part and bought one. It does make GT7 better.

Can’t wait to see what Horizon 5 looks like on it.

 

[XXL]

Source?

Welfare made a post on here estimating 1-1.5M Pro's in the quarter.

We know the Series X did about 3M in 2024.

Also of note, the PlayStation Portal most likely outsold it (X/S) in 2024 and potentially the PSVR 2 as well, but we would need more information, but regardless it's probably extremely close (regarding PSVR 2).

 

[Topher]

I don't care how well it's selling, but I personally picked the Pro because the image quality in a lot of the games with 60 fps modes is atrocious on the base console (e.g FF7R, Remnant 2, Jedi Survivor, Space Marine 2, SW Outlaws, Avatar, etc.). Like there are 30 fps games on the base PS4 that have better IQ than some of these current gen games with 60 fps modes I've mentioned, and that's not okay at all.

Exactly. Space Marine 2 alone was the transformative game for me which justified the Pro. As I said before, it made PlayStation a viable option for me for third party games. The differences are significant, particularly for me with Space Marine 2 and Dragon's Dogma 2. PS5 Pro is the best console available from a graphics/performance aspect for the remainder of this gen. Definitely worth the purchase.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

What does this mean? Can the fan stop working?

No, it’s that some fans are loud as fuck and kick up to max speed as soon as you start a game. Others are fine. I need to do some return fraud at some point to get one of the good ones, because it’s annoying to the point where I don’t even want to use the thing.

 

[taizuke]

I got the PS4 Pro when Amazon did a $60 discount deal.

I'm hoping for the same on the PS5 Pro and I'm in. Already got the disc drive.

 

[TheKratos]

Love my pro, mh wilds will be glorious.