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[thismeinteil]

"Wow people in 2015 would have been blown away about third party games from big franchises being the best selling content on Playstation instead of the top 10 being all first party exclusives"


Meanwhile people in in 2015

Other than Forza being on PS5 there would hardly be anything surprising about this.

Yea, I think people in 2015 would be more shocked that MS spent a shitload to buy 3rd party games/studios and...kept them 3rd party. I mean I don't see it as some kind of own that MS basically killed their HW market and HAS to go 3rd party to justify the cost of these purchases to their investors. If anything, I'm sure Sony is happy to take the 30% cut of once Xbox exclusive games, like Forza and Gears, without lifting a finger.

 

[Sooner]

Dear Microsoft,

Congratulations on spending 100 billion dollars on publishers. Now, give us 30% of everything you make.

Love,
SONY

 

[lughnasadh123]

We all win!

 

[Buggy Loop]

PlayStation has an incredible first party* lineup this generation.

*not their first party

 

[pulicat]

Death Stranding 2 is absent from the list

It has 13 days of sales data from 23rd June for EA till 5th July.
The bulk of the sales mostly came from the first week of sales for most titles, with an exception from games like RDR, COD, Minecraft, and Nintendo's evergreens.
Circana is revenue-based, and coming below titles with low MSRP is painting a dire picture for DS2's unit sales.
It seems DS2 has indeed underperformed on PS5 no matter which angle and perspective you look at it from.

 

[tanners]

Forza is legit the only I consider a true Xbox game. All of the others came from the $80B in acquisitions.

Good for MS...I guess.
Good for Sony...I guess.

The funny thing about this is that it can be spun as victory in any direction.

that we should call a win-win, least nobody was harmed during sale right

 

[Mr Moose]

Death Stranding 2 is absent from the list

It has 13 days of sales data from 23rd June for EA till 5th July.
The bulk of the sales mostly came from the first week of sales for most titles, with an exception from games like RDR, COD, Minecraft, and Nintendo's evergreens.
It seems DS2 has indeed underperformed on PS5 no matter which angle and perspective you look at it from.

You should make a thread about it.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I bet they really did sell 2M copies of FH5.

MS getting more first party sales on PS than Sony's own games. Wow. 70% cuts too. Ka-ching!

 

[adamsapple]

ChorizoPicozo

Ya boy's back. Jizzy C, the master of headlines.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

ChorizoPicozo

Ya boy's back. Jizzy C, the master of headlines.

Fortunately, Xbox is still in deep shit, so his fat ass will still be crying like the little bitch he is

 

[yogaflame]

Death Stranding 2 is absent from the list

It has 13 days of sales data from 23rd June for EA till 5th July.
The bulk of the sales mostly came from the first week of sales for most titles, with an exception from games like RDR, COD, Minecraft, and Nintendo's evergreens.
Circana is revenue-based, and coming below titles with low MSRP is painting a dire picture for DS2's unit sales.
It seems DS2 has indeed underperformed on PS5 no matter which angle and perspective you look at it from.

I really dont know what the game or kojima team had done to you that it lives a rent free in your head. Since you are very bitter about Ds2 all the time, then make thread about it for your enjoyment and fun. What is important is we enjoy this game, and its a very beauriful and generational type of game.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[adamsapple]

Death Stranding 2 is absent from the list

It has 13 days of sales data from 23rd June for EA till 5th July.
The bulk of the sales mostly came from the first week of sales for most titles, with an exception from games like RDR, COD, Minecraft, and Nintendo's evergreens.
Circana is revenue-based, and coming below titles with low MSRP is painting a dire picture for DS2's unit sales.
It seems DS2 has indeed underperformed on PS5 no matter which angle and perspective you look at it from.

Do you think it charts in the top 20 next NPD ?

 

[kazuyamishima]

Nightrein is also NOT in the charts.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Sony got some work to do.
But I don't care for any in that list.

Agreed, there is no game on that list that I have bought apart from GTA5.

 

[drganon]

Death Stranding 2 is absent from the list

It has 13 days of sales data from 23rd June for EA till 5th July.
The bulk of the sales mostly came from the first week of sales for most titles, with an exception from games like RDR, COD, Minecraft, and Nintendo's evergreens.
Circana is revenue-based, and coming below titles with low MSRP is painting a dire picture for DS2's unit sales.
It seems DS2 has indeed underperformed on PS5 no matter which angle and perspective you look at it from.

DS2 lives rent free in that brainless head of yours.

 

[Physiognomonics]

It just shows Sony has become completely reliant on 3rd party games. In 5 years they have killed their 1st party segment with their poor strategy.

This is what the shill should have stated. And yes MS paid 80 billions for most of those. Nothing to be happy about not knowing the actual profits they are making and when they are going to remburse those billions.

 

[Mattyp]

T Three Get in here right now and debunk these FH5 sales. Right now.

 

[Hudo]

This just looks to me like Playstation and Microsoft need each other. Playstation desperately needs good games and Microsoft needs a popular platform to sell these on.

 

[FoxMcChief]

I'm curious, what even if the Xbox doesn't dominate the top 10 of PS5 games, would any other Sony published titles show up in their top 10?

 

[L*][*N*K]

Yup, thats an xbox.

We all made fun of that ad

 

[Tobimacoss]

Microsoft paid billions for those titles

Doesn't count well besides Forza

Why wouldn't it count? When you buy a house, do you own it? Why you buy a car, do you own it? And along with all the benefits of those purchases? Like getting to work, shelter, equity etc. MS now benefits from their strategic acquisitions.

It's been almost 5 years since they will have owned Bethesda. It counts. As long as MS is paying the salaries, it counts.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Why wouldn't it count? When you buy a house, do you own it? Why you buy a car, do you own it? And along with all the benefits of those purchases? Like getting to work, shelter, equity etc. MS now benefits from their strategic acquisitions.

It's been almost 5 years since they will have owned Bethesda. It counts. As long as MS is paying the salaries, it counts.

Sure you can spend lots of money to acquire revenue and then still give 30% of it to your competitor while you sink your own platform and then start firing tons and tons of people from the studios you just bought and started to mismanage right away.

It was particularly brilliant to triple down on GamePass despite the effect on game sales everyone knew it would have and to come in and stop most multiplatform efforts that was already going on just to resume it late and rushing it years later (but otherwise mismanage most of those studios… see quality of titles coming out, see the ones they cancelled after years of development heck…).

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

MS getting more first party sales on PS than Sony's own games. Wow. 70% cuts too. Ka-ching!

MS games are not really first party anymore.

They're a third-party publisher. So this is no different from Activision or Bethesda... oh wait.... aren't they responsible for most of the games on the list?

 

[Astray]

Not shocked at this considering the amount of studios and IP bought.

Publisher wars are a pitiful sequel to console wars though. The person who would actually be mad at this list is the likes of EA/Ubisoft lol.

 

[Mattyp]

Sure you can spend lots of money to acquire revenue and then still give 30% of it to your competitor while you sink your own platform and then start firing tons and tons of people from the studios you just bought and started to mismanage right away.

It was particularly brilliant to triple down on GamePass despite the effect on game sales everyone knew it would have and to come in and stop most multiplatform efforts that was already going on just to resume it late and rushing it years later (but otherwise mismanage most of those studios… see quality of titles coming out, see the ones they cancelled after years of development heck…).

Sony was always receiving the 30% of Bethesda titles, Microsoft just now gets the 70% that's the entire point of investment.

Quality of what titles exactly? The list shows how much people love these titles. Sony fans shit on Microsoft games then buy them in droves as the data clearly shows.

All that's happening here is gamers win, larger choice of games on your preferred platform.

Let's not get into cancelled games.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Playstation players LOVE themselves some Microsoft games.

Good to see the games are selling well.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Why wouldn't it count? When you buy a house, do you own it? Why you buy a car, do you own it? And along with all the benefits of those purchases? Like getting to work, shelter, equity etc. MS now benefits from their strategic acquisitions.

It's been almost 5 years since they will have owned Bethesda. It counts. As long as MS is paying the salaries, it counts.

You know why it "doesn't count." If a game isn't any good, obviously it's Microsoft's fault for messing everything up and ruining it completely. But if it is good or sells well? Oh, that's just because Microsoft bought everything, no talent or effort involved, just a giant shopping spree.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Playstation players LOVE themselves some Microsoft games.

Good to see the games are selling well.

I love that PS gamers are paying to keep Xbox games on gamepass.

 

[Mozza]

Turns out Evil Within was never canceled, it just became a major strategy for Xbox.

It was always their plan as they have a subscription based business model. Can't wait for Forza to come to the Switch 2 and I have already sold my Series X.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I love that PS gamers are paying to keep Xbox games on gamepass.

I love that they are getting their knickers in a twist to come up with reasons why its not impressive that MS are killing it on Playstation.

Its not MS's fault that Sony has shit the bed this much with their software output this gen. The facts are, Xbox games are selling millions on PS5. Yes MS, shit the bed on their growth expectations of gamepass and needed to rely on the playstation fanbase to make even more profit but ultimately its going to end up as a genius business move. They now have the steady stream of revenue from game sales and also a subscription model.

They seem to have cracked it, they just need a steady stream of content to keep being delivered on all platforms and their business will be extremely healthy, I imagine.

 

[FoxMcChief]

It was always their plan as they have a subscription based business model. Cant wait for Forza to come to the Switch 2 and I have already sold my Series X.

And MS thanks you for both buying an Xbox previously, and still buying their games on other hardware.

Winners in this scenario: MS and you!

 

[Panajev2001a]

Sony was always receiving the 30% of Bethesda titles, Microsoft just now gets the 70% that's the entire point of investment.

Quality of what titles exactly? The list shows how much people love these titles. Sony fans shit on Microsoft games then buy them in droves as the data clearly shows.

All that's happening here is gamers win, larger choice of games on your preferred platform.

Let's not get into cancelled games.

These are not the only titles they made so far. FM, Redfall, Halo Infinite, Starfield, and all the games they mismanaged in cancellations too or that they are likely to cancel.

 

[Panajev2001a]

And MS thanks you for both buying an Xbox previously, and still buying their games on other hardware.

Winners in this scenario: MS and you!

They are adapting and they have more money than most, but this revisionist history to make their last decade a masterplan masterfully executed is hilarious… come on…

 

[Embearded]

The only game worth mentioning is Forza.
Everything else is an established IP that Microsoft bought and tells me nothing.

People started the mental gymnastics and think that Sony will bring their first party games to Xbox because of this list?
Forza sold so much because there are way more PS consoles in households than Xboxes and PS players actually buy games and don't expect them to appear on a subscription service.

 

[FoxMcChief]

I love that they are getting their knickers in a twist to come up with reasons why its not impressive that MS are killing it on Playstation.

Its not MS's fault that Sony has shit the bed this much with their software output this gen. The facts are, Xbox games are selling millions on PS5. Yes MS, shit the bed on their growth expectations of gamepass and needed to rely on the playstation fanbase to make even more profit but ultimately its going to end up as a genius business move. They now have the steady stream of revenue from game sales and also a subscription model.

They seem to have cracked it, they just need a steady stream of content to keep being delivered on all platforms and their business will be extremely healthy, I imagine.

Like I said, take away the MS dominance in the top 10, I doubt any other first party Sony title breaks the top 10.

Meanwhile you have first party games on Nintendo all over the top 10 every month forever. But that's different, lol.

 

[Ozriel]

Actually what this list represents is the catastrophic failure of the Xbox management team despite being bankrolled to an unprecedented degree. What is shows is performance *OUTSIDE* of their ecosystem. You know the thing that first-party is supposed to contribute towards the health of.

The fact that this is doing well, but Xbox as a console is virtually dead, and Gamepass is continually missing its growth targets just shows the insane magnitude of this misstep.

You think COD, FH5 and Minecraft didn't perform well within the Xbox ecosystem?
Most of the others are new releases.

Sure you can spend lots of money to acquire revenue and then still give 30% of it to your competitor while you sink your own platform and then start firing tons and tons of people from the studios you just bought and started to mismanage right away.

70% is better than 0%.
I've not seen any indication that the layoffs have disproportionately affected efficient projects and studios. Any source for this?

You think Xbox would be dominating hardware sales if they didn't acquire studios?

It was particularly brilliant to triple down on GamePass despite the effect on game sales everyone knew it would have

But GamePass is only seriously attenuating sales on the Xbox console, PC is marginally affected and PS5 not at all.
So the service is great for consumers, and they've made up for lower sales on their console by selling on PC AND PS5/Switch 2.

and to come in and stop most multiplatform efforts that was already going on just to resume it late and rushing it years later (but otherwise mismanage most of those studios… see quality of titles coming out, see the ones they cancelled after years of development heck…).

You need to make up your mind, since you seem confused. On one hand you chide them for layoffs, on the other hand you snark about the quality of released titles and confirm that canceled games were struggling.

Meanwhile you're posting this in a thread about well reviewed MS games that have seemingly landed well with gamers.

 

[crackajack]

Xbox finally gets their first party lineup in order, and then releases all of it on Playstation.

Meanwhile, Sony's 1st party output has sucked and Microsoft is carrying the load for them.


What a weird industry lol.

yep. I don't get why Gamepass did not move the needle- Plus, the higher tiers, isn't an immediate smash hit either, but it is steadily growing-, but a couple of years not going third party with a bunch of these games should have made Xbox stronger, either on their console or at least on PC. Bean counters probably were not patient enough to actually allow the goal of the acquisitions to have an effect. Admittedly it cost a fuckton and waiting until maybe even next gen, so a couple of years, for any change is risky and hardly possible with short term shareholder stuff. Too much bought growth in a short time and seemingly either no plan or a plan that drastically was changed once charts did not show change.
Instead they are helping Sony out while they struggle to get games out, completely missing the mark on almost all GaaS, canceling many and probably regreting all that are far along, wasting a ton of dev time that went *poof*, nowhere. Only GT and Helldivers not crashing and burning, with the latter also providing some days of unnecessary drama. Meanwhile MS providing mostly single player games that tradionally was the important pillar of Sony.

It's fine for MS's revenue and profit, but providing your main rival of the past free 30% is next level weird if they don't back out of consoles entirely. Doing exactly the opposite of the monopoly fears due to inhaling CoD, Diablo, TES, etc major IPs in gaming and just taking over the reigns of ABK and Bethesda but becoming just a combined bigger third party.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

This proves that Xbox is being generous.

They have enough firepower to make a traditional console and take over the market, if they want.

 

[Loboxxx]

It has been proven that what Microsoft needed to succeed was a console manufacturer like Sony.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I love that PS gamers are paying to keep Xbox games on gamepass.

Are you saying that it wouldn't be possible to have games on Game Pass without money coming from PlayStation users?

 

[FoxMcChief]

It has been proven that what Microsoft needed to succeed was a console manufacturer like Sony.

Or that PS needs MS to stay afloat, because their games aren't doing it.

 

[Sephiran]

What i find interesting from Circana is that the PC/PS/Xbox platforms seems to be very similar, with all the samre games dominating. Nintendo and mobile seems to be the only platforms that have different games trending compared to PC/PS/Xbox.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Are you saying that it wouldn't be possible to have games on Game Pass without money coming from PlayStation users?

I think that they need each other. Sony needs MS to keep gamers happy and MS needs Sony to keep gamers playing MS games.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

This proves that Xbox is being generous.

They have enough firepower to make a traditional console and take over the market, if they want.

 

[Astray]

He's the #1 humorist on this forum.

No value added but at least you will laugh your ass off.

 

[DenchDeckard]

It has been proven that what Microsoft needed to succeed was a console manufacturer like Sony.

100% they need a userbase like ps5, PC to make their games a huge success.

Gamepass xbox and pc are doing ok but far from amazing. This is just them maximising revenue and profits while also shaping the industry to what they want.

Im not sure how I feel about it yet.

 

[Loboxxx]

Or that PS needs MS to stay afloat, because their games aren't doing it.

The definition of an overwhelming victory

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Or that PS needs MS to stay afloat, because their games aren't doing it.

This is one of the worst takes I've ever seen.

Sony have had a dogshit generation for first party, no doubt about that. Their chase for live service is not a bad idea but it has been executed terribly. Awfully.

They are course correcting though I think and they will have a steady stream of games that will be of high quality within the next few years. They have hopefully learnt some harsh lessons.

To say that Sony need MS is pure copium, unbelievable. The fact that they had to port their games to a competitors platform because their own install base was so small and have been trained to actively NOT buy games is not something to be celebrated. Phil Spencer is a puppet dictator being played by Satya now, they have completely failed.

 

[Mattyp]

These are not the only titles they made so far. FM, Redfall, Halo Infinite, Starfield, and all the games they mismanaged in cancellations too or that they are likely to cancel.

And which of those games are available on the PS5 right now? Halo will top the charts and Starfield will as well.