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[ShaiKhulud1989]

So wait, people are cheering this up?

MS plan was to prop-up the IP list and boslter the Xbox platform to dominate home console market, finally get 100% from CoD and Bethesda IPs, sell hardware and earn added value on accessories.

In reality Sony is getting rent-free 30% even from Forza (we're not even talking about Beth/ATVI IPs), plus CoD bundles without spending $$ on marketing deals. Sony selling even more hardware, selling PS+ to play MS MP-based titles, selling higher margin PS5 Pro and selling shit ton of accessories for added value. While MS is shedding another 1000+ employees this August after burning up to 80+ billion on M&A that basically failed in context of their chosen strategy to spend Sony out of business (direct quote from executive e-mails). And their HW sales basically flatlined even in US.

Is that a win? Really? Good lord, I'm terrified to see the defeat then.

 

[Three]

Doubting mats sales stats, now we're going places.

Yes, so explain what I presented to you in this post:

April to June:

And yet he just presented this with Nightreign nowhere to be seen when it's probably number 1:

What is he doing here exactly?

Logically how can Elden Ring: NightReign be absent but Doom present?

 

[LordCBH]

All of those would have been up there anyway had Microsoft not spent $100 billy. So I'm not seeing the interesting part here, other than Forza.

 

[Hanzaki]

I don't get how GTAV still sells. Shouldn't everyone own a copy by now? Crazy to think it's lasted basically 3 console cycles and still ranks at the top.

I don't get it how you can't understand this. Sony selling millions of PS5/Pro consoles in every quarters. What games do you think those new PS5 owners are gonna buy...... ?
Obviously if you buy a new consoles you wanna buy some of the most popular games on the console like GTA and COD... Just because GTA5 is old it doesn't mean its not popular anymore.

 

[demigod]

April to June:

And yet he just presented this with Nightreign nowhere to be seen when it's probably number 1:

What is he doing here exactly?

Lol, i knew something was fishy when he didnt put Nightrein on there.

 

[Ozriel]

The gif was meant actually for both MS and Sony. It's really rough for Xbox owners to see their games thrive on other consoles (which they could've bought instead and had more exclusives) but the list also highlights how lackluster Sony's first party offering have been.

Why would people who bought an Xbox console knowing they'd have no access on it to any Sony game suddenly be heartbroken because Xbox games are showing up on another platform?

So wait, people are cheering this up?

MS plan was to prop-up the IP list and boslter the Xbox platform to dominate home console market, finally get 100% from CoD and Bethesda IPs, sell hardware and earn added value on accessories.

In reality Sony is getting rent-free 30% even from Forza (we're not even talking about Beth/ATVI IPs), plus CoD bundles without spending $$ on marketing deals. Sony selling even more hardware, selling PS+ to play MS MP-based titles, selling higher margin PS5 Pro and selling shit ton of accessories for added value. While MS is shedding another 1000+ employees this August after burning up to 80+ billion on M&A that basically failed in context of their chosen strategy to spend Souny out of business (direct quote from executive e-mails). And their HW sales basically flatlined even in US.

Is that a win? Really? Good lord, I'm terrified to see the defeat then.

Nadella's plan is to make more money. Handing over 30% of the PS revenue generated by Forza is irrelevant to that, since 70% >>> 0%.
But that's Microsoft and Sony's headache.

For consumers, it means MS stays longer in gaming and helps cement the existence as t GamePass which i find to be a solid deal.

The 'win' state for me has always been two factors:
- MS keeps making hardware.
- GamePass continues on.

There's also the residual amusement when I remember Killjoy-NL proclaiming these ports would all flop.

failed in context of their chosen strategy to spend Souny out of business (direct quote from executive e-mails).

I love how you're now reduced to making things up

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

I love how you're now reduced to making things up

It's getting progressively harder for you, MS bots, to keep a happy face.

 

[Mr Moose]

I love how you're now reduced to making things up

?

 

[Inviusx]

As someone who bought FH5 on PS5 day one, im not too surprised by this. Its a great game but not so mind blowing that I was going to buy an Xbox to play it. I just came to the conclusion that I wouldn't play it and moved on. I can't think of a single other Xbox game that interests me though, except FH6 of course.

 

[Sephimoth]

State of it

 

[Killjoy-NL]

There's also the residual amusement when I remember Killjoy-NL proclaiming these ports would all flop.

Most did flop.

Indy? Flop.
Doom? Flop
SoT? Barely sold

At best I said a game like Forza Horizon would sell decently.

Let's be honest, almost no Xbox game is really going to be a major succes on Playstation.

At best they'll sell better than on Xbox, which isn't exactly a high bar.

Maybe Starfield and Forza van potentially sell decently.

I wonder if they'll manage to sell more than 5M copies for each game.

1-2M sales is what you expect from an average lower-priced AA game.

 

[drganon]

Why would people who bought an Xbox console knowing they'd have no access on it to any Sony game suddenly be heartbroken because Xbox games are showing up on another platform?



Nadella's plan is to make more money. Handing over 30% of the PS revenue generated by Forza is irrelevant to that, since 70% >>> 0%.
But that's Microsoft and Sony's headache.

For consumers, it means MS stays longer in gaming and helps cement the existence as t GamePass which i find to be a solid deal.

The 'win' state for me has always been two factors:
- MS keeps making hardware.
- GamePass continues on.

There's also the residual amusement when I remember Killjoy-NL proclaiming these ports would all flop.



I love how you're now reduced to making things up

 

[Markio128]

I'm struggling with the 'surprising' aspect. Are we trying to suggest that those games were expected to flop on PS?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I'm struggling with the 'surprising' aspect. Are we trying to suggest that those games were expected to flop on PS?

I think the general consensus was FH5 would do well on PS as it fills a nice void there

And let's be honest, MS knew when to release those games as there was a little downtime with the Sony 1st party output

 

[daclynk]

 

[Three]

Lol, i knew something was fishy when he didnt put Nightrein on there.

And coincidently we had neogafs "MattyP" trying to suggest that "MS had the best selling game on PS5 for 2025". Both a bunch of hacks pushing incorrect MS PR or the same person, who knows.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

The only thing surprising about this is Forza. Literally every other game would've been here.

Trying to make this a MS win when all these IPs have always been 3rd party games and when the reality is that they were forced to release these on Playstation almost at the same time to make some extra bucks is hilarious.

 

[Ozriel]

Or the opposite. Shows that people buy games and MS will shut GP down.

Not how it works. People were buying copies of MS Office before Microsoft launched Office 365.

?

Trotting out Matt Booty's suggestion from 2019 as 'MS 2023 corporate strategy' is quite hilarious, even for you guys

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Trotting out Matt Booty's suggestion from 2019 as 'MS 2023 corporate strategy' is quite hilarious, even for you guys

This is not even the most stupid and damning email of the bunch, my dude.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

The only thing surprising about this is Forza. Literally every other game would've been here.

Trying to make this a MS win when all these IPs have always been 3rd party games and when the reality is that they were forced to release these on Playstation almost at the same time to make some extra bucks is hilarious.

It also shows how slow Q2 2025 has been.

Doom TDA released on may 15 and already completely vanished from all the charts in june (for all platforms).

Yet, for Q2 for PS5, it is #5. It doesn't mean it had amazing sales, it just means the Q2 was meh.

Indy being #6 means Indy is a massive flop.

The only 'impressive' thing about OP is seeing so many MS-published games on the PS charts, which is a rather easy feat.
And the only ones actually impressed are delusional Xbox fans who still don't understand the 'platform-wars' over.

 

[deeptech]

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What the hell is this? Concord???

 

[Ozriel]

This is not even the most stupid and damning email of the bunch, my dude.

Pretty sure if you had one that backed up your claim you'd have shared it already.

 

[thismeinteil]

Imagine how pathetic you would have to be to go from just a few years ago boasting about how the Xbox Series is so much more powerful than the PS5 and was going to stomp it in sales, to now bragging that Xbox HW is dying and MS has to sell their games on the PlayStation to make money. I mean if you had suggested this was going to be the case in 2020, those Xbox fanboys will be trying to roast you. You can't make this stuff up.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Imagine how pathetic you would have to be to go from just a few years ago boasting about how the Xbox Series is so much more powerful than the PS5 and was going to stomp it in sales, to now bragging that Xbox HW is dying and MS has to sell their games on the PlayStation to make money. I mean if you had suggested this was going to be the case in 2020, those Xbox fanboys will be trying to roast you. You can't make this stuff up.

This was the 4D chess move all along, the narrative will always change

 

[AJUMP23]

MS is really making some money.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Imagine how pathetic you would have to be to go from just a few years ago boasting about how the Xbox Series is so much more powerful than the PS5 and was going to stomp it in sales, to now bragging that Xbox HW is dying and MS has to sell their games on the PlayStation to make money. I mean if you had suggested this was going to be the case in 2020, those Xbox fanboys will be trying to roast you. You can't make this stuff up.

The funniest part is that we thought Playstation would lose access to these games (as was intended originally, that's why these games didn't release day one on PS5) and Sony now earns 30% of all these sales...except they didn't have to spend almost 80b in acquiring both Activision and Bethesda lmo.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Imagine how pathetic you would have to be to go from just a few years ago boasting about how the Xbox Series is so much more powerful than the PS5 and was going to stomp it in sales, to now bragging that Xbox HW is dying and MS has to sell their games on the PlayStation to make money. I mean if you had suggested this was going to be the case in 2020, those Xbox fanboys will be trying to roast you. You can't make this stuff up.

Let's not start about how many 'PS fanboys' got banned back in 2020 for saying the "lol PS5 9 Tflop"-narrative was bullshit and that MS would go 3rd party.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

MS is really making some money.

On AI and cloud

 

[AJUMP23]

On AI and cloud

Now they can add a little bit of gaming money to their coffers.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Now they can add a little bit of gaming money to their coffers.

With overall gaming churn-rate they are still in the red, hence the lay-offs.

 

[AJUMP23]

With overall gaming churn-rate they are still in the red, hence the lay-offs.

I think they also used the layoffs to bring in new H1B labor.

 

[Hookshot]

Sony fans buying full price MS games are subsiding Gamepass for Xbox and PC

 

[Northeastmonk]

I don't get it how you can't understand this. Sony selling millions of PS5/Pro consoles in every quarters. What games do you think those new PS5 owners are gonna buy...... ?
Obviously if you buy a new consoles you wanna buy some of the most popular games on the console like GTA and COD... Just because GTA5 is old it doesn't mean its not popular anymore.

It's crazy to think every Tom, Dick, and Harry buys GTA from their PSN store every single month. I totally get it. In my circle of friends back in high school, the 1 game we could all agree on was GTA3 and Vice City. It wasn't Madden or GT3. It's crazy to think there's always this "day 1" person buying GTAV every month. When you see a game in the spotlight sell 1-2 million and then the publisher announces the game sold 5-10 million (random numbers). You assume it's some steady flow of consumers. Why does it taper off while someone just buys a console and automatically buys GTAV? I finished GTAV back on PS3 and have been messing around with it. I know I didn't pay full price for the versions I own afterwards. To be honest I don't see a ton of content on social media with GTAO either. It's usually in the freemium list or something obscure like a climber.

I'm buying GTA6 day 1, so I know it's worth the hype. It's just crazy to think people purchase it more times than you'd think. I'm so used to those launch day sale weeks which taper off eventually.

 

[Ozriel]

The funniest part is that we thought Playstation would lose access to these games (as was intended originally, that's why these games didn't release day one on PS5) and Sony now earns 30% of all these sales...except they didn't have to spend almost 80b in acquiring both Activision and Bethesda lmo.

Sony would not have earned 30% on Oblivion Remastered for PS5 if MS hadn't bought Bethesda?

Hmm.

 

[Ozriel]

With overall gaming churn-rate they are still in the red, hence the lay-offs.

Was Sony in the red when they laid off folks from Bungie, Insomniac, Naughty Dog and Bend and closed a couple of studios?

 

[adamsapple]

So you are a pussy like I figured and deflected the question.

 

[Begleiter]

This feels embarrassing for Sony specifically, showing their low output this gen. Xbox will be relieved to be making money on new releases.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

"Wow people in 2015 would have been blown away about third party games from big franchises being the best selling content on Playstation instead of the top 10 being all first party exclusives"


Meanwhile people in in 2015

Other than Forza being on PS5 there would hardly be anything surprising about this.

Pretty obvious this was the part he was talking about

 

[Ar¢tos]

Sony fans buying full price MS games are subsiding Gamepass for Xbox and PC

But they kept saying that gamepass is profitable and self sustainable on xbox/pc.
Which one is true?

 

[yurinka]

MS plan was to prop-up the IP list and boslter the Xbox platform to dominate home console market, finally get 100% from CoD and Bethesda IPs, sell hardware and earn added value on accessories.

In reality Sony is getting rent-free 30% even from Forza (we're not even talking about Beth/ATVI IPs), plus CoD bundles without spending $$ on marketing deals. Sony selling even more hardware, selling PS+ to play MS MP-based titles, selling higher margin PS5 Pro and selling shit ton of accessories for added value. While MS is shedding another 1000+ employees this August after burning up to 80+ billion on M&A that basically failed in context of their chosen strategy to spend Sony out of business (direct quote from executive e-mails). And their HW sales basically flatlined even in US.

Is that a win? Really? Good lord, I'm terrified to see the defeat then.

No, when MS bought Bethesda and ABK they already were moving away from their own console, they already know it was a failure. If what you say would be the case they never would have started to publish their games day one on PC and would have made Minecraft, CoD and Bethesda exclusive. Since many years ago MS knew their consoles weren't able to compete, so they decided to very slowly, step by step kill their console, switch to PS as their home platform and focus in a full multiplatform -including mobile, a key pilar for them now- strategy.

MS's gaming division numbers kept improving, and will be way better once they discontinue their consoles and start having and releasing all their games in PS5. In the ranking of top grossing companies MS is now a distant 3, but soonish could be very close fighting with Sony and Tencent for the top 1. And specially if they stop including their games day one in GP, at least in the non-GPU tiers.

They are losing a shit ton of money with GP, we know they pay a lot of money to 3rd parties for putting their games there and we know that mostly killed the game sales in their platform, particularly the first party ones. To the point of having frequent big layoffs and many studio closures.

MS tried to outspend Sony trying to create a Spotify/Netflix like monopoly with GP by putting all their games there day one and make all these expensive games, something that generates huge loses during many years, something that only MS could afford. But GP also failed, Sony also does a way better job than MS in the game subs using a profitable strategy instead of using it for old sales, not destroying the more open and already successful in gaming game sales based business model.

Killing their unsuccessful console and going full multi is being a win (in terms of business, revenue and income) for MS, specially when they are giving away their own games in their own platform. The next win would be to limit day one games to GPU.

But they kept saying that gamepass is profitable and self sustainable on xbox/pc.
Which one is true?

MS said it's sustainable (meaning it has loses but they don't care because they have a lot of money from non-gaming divisions). The unofficial MS PR person said GP is profitable if not counting its biggests costs, which is a dumb and nonsencial statement because to consider if something is profitable or not you must substract all the costs from the revenue.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

This feels embarrassing for Sony specifically, showing their low output this gen. Xbox will be relieved to be making money on new releases.

Nobody cares though, they just want a Playstation.

That's the reality we are seeing now.

 

[LordCBH]

This feels embarrassing for Sony specifically, showing their low output this gen. Xbox will be relieved to be making money on new releases.

PlayStation at the end of every fiscal year:

 

[yurinka]

This feels embarrassing for Sony specifically, showing their low output this gen. Xbox will be relieved to be making money on new releases.

They don't have a low output, and almost every year they sweep the awards and break PS exclusive sales records with a new game. Every generation AAA games take longer to be made for all teams from all companies, that's all.

Sony is being super successful with their console and games, there's nothing embarassing about it.

 

[Little Mac]

Sounds like you just need a Switch 2.

Nah. I love my Steam Deck. It's OLED screen, it's ergonomics, the Steam store and sales, no paid subscription bs for online play or cloud saves. It's amazing. I think my next "console" will be some sort of Steam OS living room pc.

Why would people who bought an Xbox console knowing they'd have no access on it to any Sony game suddenly be heartbroken because Xbox games are showing up on another platform?

I don't understand. Why would people knowingly choose an xbox console if buying a PS5 gives you pretty much all the xbox games as well as give you access to ps5 exclusives. I'd have huge buyer's remorse if I chose and bought an xbox series X at launch only to see all the games I thought were exclusive appear on other consoles alongside those console's exclusives that I don't have access too. This is why xbox hardware sales are down 50% from last year ...

"Xbox Series X|S console sales have been declining, with significant drops reported in both hardware revenue and unit sales. Microsoft has reported a 42% decrease in hardware sales in a recent quarter, and January 2025 sales were down nearly 50% compared to the same period last year, according to VGChartz. While Microsoft highlights growth in content and subscription services, the decline in hardware sales is a notable trend."

 

[Astray]

I don't understand. Why would people knowingly choose an xbox console if buying a PS5 gives you pretty much all the xbox games as well as give you access to ps5 exclusives. I'd have huge buyer's remorse if I chose and bought an xbox series X at launch only to see all the games I thought were exclusive appear on other consoles alongside those console's exclusives that I don't have access too. This is why xbox hardware sales are down 50% from last year ...

I can tell you right now that my Xbox Series X collects dust unless I get some sort of GP Ultimate coupon, then my wife kinda uses it.

Our current plan is to use Dev Mode and turn it into a living room emulation machine for hard to find past-gen titles (Like Virtua Tennis).

 

[EN250]

yeah sony gets their %30 with zero dev-cost, some 4D level chess play there from xbox lol

They always got the 30% cut of all of these games, only difference now is MS bought all theses studios who make those games, just because MS fucked their HW plans, doesn't mean Sony is doing great chasing the GAAS trend and releasing less SP games, sure, no one would have thought Sony could coast the whole gen thanks to MS publishing games on PS5 after buying all of these studios that could have help them as exclusives, but that's on Uncle's Phil ass-backwards strategy, not a merit of Sony

 

[Killjoy-NL]

They always got the 30% cut of all of these games, only difference now is MS bought all theses studios who make those games, just because MS fucked their HW plans, doesn't mean Sony is doing great chasing the GAAS trend and releasing less SP games, sure, no one would have thought Sony could coast the whole gen thanks to MS publishing games on PS5 after buying all of these studios that could have help them as exclusives, but that's on Uncle's Phil ass-backwards strategy, not a merit of Sony

If MS didn't release their games on PS5, it would barely matter, if at all.

The Playstation-brand is too popular for that.
They still get the vast majority of important 3rd party releases regardless and every year they release at least 2 or so titles that's enough to keep their 1st party output in the spotlight.

 

[Mr Moose]

Not how it works. People were buying copies of MS Office before Microsoft launched Office 365.


Trotting out Matt Booty's suggestion from 2019 as 'MS 2023 corporate strategy' is quite hilarious, even for you guys

They started with Bethesda/ZeniMax. Announced in 2020, went through in 2021.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Cant we all just get along ffs?

 

[Markio128]

Cant we all just get along ffs?

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