May 20 - Draw Mohammed Day

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Brashnir said:
Here's the thing I don't get about this whole situation.

Muhammad asked that his followers not create images of him.

These images are not created by followers of Islam.

Muslims have absolutely no reason to be offended by the actions of non-believers. If they are offended by the sheer existence of non-believers, they should come out and state that as the issue.

There's no sense in expecting people who don't follow your religion to all of a sudden follow certain aspects your religion just because not doing so offends you. The sheer notion of such a belief is fucking daffy.

The only people in the wrong here are those making death threats. People who do not believe in Islam making a choice to not follow its scriptures isn't offensive - it's the most natural thing for them to do.

Google Abdul Rahman. He faced the death penalty in Afghanistan for allegedly converting to Christianity. Funny thing is that was 2006 AFTER the Taliban was ousted. The whole point of this draw Muhammad day is not to offend Muslims, but to show extremists they can't use threats of violence to stifle freedom of expression. We don't live in Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia or any other country whose stone age beliefs or Sharia law actually condone killing someone for something as stupid as drawing a picture or simply not believing in Islam.
 
lots of people over the last few pages said:
Constitutional law blah blah

Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire blah blah

Separation of church and state blah blah

First amendment etc

All irrelevant. GAF =/= USA.
 
~Devil Trigger~ said:
My second sketch

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You should make a jesus/mohammed team up webcomic. Seriously amazing drawing right there.
 
Whoompthereitis said:
You guys can make fun of me all you want, but promise me that at the end of the day, when you get home and are about to go to sleep, that you'll all look inside yourselves and ask the honest question:

"What if I'm wrong about this? Should I really be taking such a chance with my soul?"

The first step is to let Him into your heart, once you've truly done that the rest should come naturally.

God Bless.
You're taking a bigger risk than us. At least we have a good excuse. "Yeah, but your religion makes ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING SENSE. Why should I have believed in it?"

You, out of the 20 million religions out there, are 99% likely to be worshipping the wrong one and helping to cause death and war which would make any benevolent supernatural being quite pissed.

That is, unless you're trolling an inane joke character.
 
Whoompthereitis said:
You guys can make fun of me all you want, but promise me that at the end of the day, when you get home and are about to go to sleep, that you'll all look inside yourselves and ask the honest question:

"What if I'm wrong about this? Should I really be taking such a chance with my soul?"

The first step is to let Him into your heart, once you've truly done that the rest should come naturally.

God Bless.
I don't understand at all why Christians have the baffling tendency to invent their own rules of grammar that apply exclusively to their god. There are no proper pronouns and therefore no pronouns that should have a capitalized first letter unless they start a sentence except for the pronoun "I" (which is capitalized following an Old English tradition upheld to distinguish the stressed pronoun in handwritten speech). English is not the original language of the Bible (...unless you're a Mormon) and as such I am certain that your god won't mind if you follow grammar conventions. Also note the selective use of capitalization with the word "god": "God" is both a noun and a proper noun. "My god is an awesome god", not "My God is an awesome God". "I talk to God in my sleep" is a correct usage of the proper noun version of the word "god". I am no grammar expert; these are fairly basic things that many Christians (and I suppose non-believers too) simply do not understand. Even if you believe God is responsible for grammar, there is no tenant in the bible that states that he defies it.

Also, I'm pretty sure the question "What if I'm wrong about this?" is the question that resulted in a large percentage of the athiests/agnostics/converted that exist out there.

I will be depicting Mohammed because it is not a statement opposing Muslims but rather a statement supporting free speech. The writers of South Park were deprived of their right to speak because the group that they were speaking about had members who threatened them with death. These people need to know that free speech is a right that I (and I'm sure many others) value very much and that I (again, as I'm sure are many others) am not willing to make any concessions on. I do not at all agree with the notion that inflammatory speech is fair grounds to be censored (in fact, I am certain that inflammatory speech is exactly what the designation of free speech exists to protect).

For the record, I'm a Buddhist and I'm not offended by fat jokes or skinny white teen jokes directed at my religion.
 
There's this interesting trend of people attacking those in support of this here and then rationalizing child rape in another thread. Blows my mind.

The cleric, Sheik Adbul-Majid al-Zindani, said a ban on child brides "threatens our culture and society

OuterWorldVoice said:
Oh, sounds like a culture and society TOTALLY worth saving. We'll get right on it.
This is very true considering any culture that spawns the vile practice of child marriage (rape) isn't worth preserving and should be looked down on. Which is why this post confuses me.

hxa155 said:
Hey fuck you. I may not agree with him but fuck you. People have the right to live, you know.
He never said they should be killed, so why is there such a need to go on the defense for those who abuse children?

hxa155 said:
it just shows how gaf is just filled with immature manchildren
Care to expand on your views without insulting GAF as a whole? It's hard not to come off as an immature man baby when you generalize an entire forum when your feelings are hurt.
 
I had an idea for this, and ~DevilTrigger~'s sketches just jumped out at me :lol
Let me know if the use of your sketches is okay DT, otherwise I'll take it down

muhammad_dwi.gif
 
GillianSeed79 said:
The whole point of this draw Muhammad day is not to offend Muslims, but to show extremists they can't use threats of violence to stifle freedom of expression.

Yeah, reading through this thread doesn't really give that impression. :P
 
Fugu said:
I don't understand at all why Christians have the baffling tendency to invent their own rules of grammar that apply exclusively to their god. There are no proper pronouns and therefore no pronouns that should have a capitalized first letter unless they start a sentence except for the pronoun "I" (which is capitalized following an Old English tradition upheld to distinguish the stressed pronoun in handwritten speech). English is not the original language of the Bible (...unless you're a Mormon) and as such I am certain that your god won't mind if you follow grammar conventions. Also note the selective use of capitalization with the word "god": "God" is both a noun and a proper noun. "My god is an awesome god", not "My God is an awesome God". "I talk to God in my sleep" is a correct usage of the proper noun version of the word "god". I am no grammar expert; these are fairly basic things that many Christians (and I suppose non-believers too) simply do not understand. Even if you believe God is responsible for grammar, there is no tenant in the bible that states that he defies it.

They capitalize the word "god" because they see it as showing reverence for their god. What I'm wondering now is for the sentence "My God is an awesome God." Wouldn't saying that imply that there were other gods less awesome than your god? Yet Christianity is a monotheistic religion. Shouldn't it be "God is awesome" thus implying that there are not other gods less awesome than yours and that there is no "my" because there's is only one, so that one is everyone's, therefore no possessive word is needed to indicate it as yours.

It's a shitty song anyways. The best one was about the god being a bird and we were on his wings or some shit like that.
 
timetokill said:
I had an idea for this, and ~DevilTrigger~'s sketches just jumped out at me :lol
Let me know if the use of your sketches is okay DT, otherwise I'll take it down

muhammad_dwi.gif
:lol you should make a version with only the 'deal with it' for future GAF usage.
 
Alucrid said:
They capitalize the word "god" because they see it as showing reverence for their god. What I'm wondering now is for the sentence "My God is an awesome God." Wouldn't saying that imply that there were other gods less awesome than your god? Yet Christianity is a monotheistic religion. Shouldn't it be "God is awesome" thus implying that there are not other gods less awesome than yours and that there is no "my" because there's is only one, so that one is everyone's, therefore no possessive word is needed to indicate it as yours.

It's a shitty song anyways. The best one was about the god being a bird and we were on his wings or some shit like that.
I can understand the word "god" being capitalzied when it's used to refer to their god, but not when used to refer to any number of gods. In religion and in fiction (and in various other sources), there are several gods; it only makes sense to capitalize the word when it refers to one in specific.

"My god is an awesome god" seems to translate roughly to "my religion is better than yours".
 
iapetus said:
Yeah, reading through this thread doesn't really give that impression. :P
I´ll have to disagree. I think people are being very civil at showing what this is about.
p.s. I´m sorry if you´re kidding. I´ve got a cold so my Sarcasmeter(tm) isn´t really working.

~Devil Trigger~ said:
:lol

i'll do another when i get home, this is fun
Do you have a gallery of your works? I dig your style.
 
I doubt this will accomplish shit. Don't fool yourself. The radicals will still be radicals and they'll probably view this as a western attack on them.
 
Obviously not at all because of the thread on the front page right now, just wanted to remind people that it's 8 days away.
 
Alucrid said:
They capitalize the word "god" because they see it as showing reverence for their god. What I'm wondering now is for the sentence "My God is an awesome God." Wouldn't saying that imply that there were other gods less awesome than your god? Yet Christianity is a monotheistic religion. Shouldn't it be "God is awesome" thus implying that there are not other gods less awesome than yours and that there is no "my" because there's is only one, so that one is everyone's, therefore no possessive word is needed to indicate it as yours.

It's a shitty song anyways. The best one was about the god being a bird and we were on his wings or some shit like that.
It refers to a Sunday school story about Moses punishing those who started praising false gods during their trek in the desert. How the hell did that go over your head?
 
I started from the beginning of the thread and started opening new tabs with all the things I wanted to quote. When I got to 15 on the first 2 pages, I closed them all, and I will settle for this.

Maleficence said:
ITT: Posters ignore culture and history when commenting on something heavily influenced by culture and history
Maleficence said:
And what exactly is a religion indigenous to the USA? Mayan?
Fuck. Seriously. I don't know if you're even reading this thread anymore but your sequence of posts, on the first page have made me angrier over this issue than I have ever been.

Anyway,
Shaka said:
I doubt this will accomplish shit. Don't fool yourself. The radicals will still be radicals and they'll probably view this as a western attack on them.

It is a western attack on them. This is what an organized American attack on Islamic fundamentalists looks like. A bunch of people got together on the internet and shared drawings of a guy with each other.

No, it won't do shit.
Yes, radicals will still be radicals.

The best criticism that could be leveled at this event is that it's offensive. Another one would be that it's a little silly.

I hope we all agree that at the very least it is neither radical nor violent.

We live in a global society. Part of belonging to that society means getting offended every once in a while. It's both literally and metaphorically part of growing up.

If anyone out there is still confused, how one reacts to being offended when it does happen is what demonstrates whether or not they're ready to participate in the same society as 99% of the rest of the world. Most people want to live quiet lives, with their loved ones, their faith, their hobbies, their newspapers, their videogames, their sports teams. A fanatical fringe one hundred times smaller and one hundred times louder than the rest of us is to blame for the "controversy" present in this thread.

In a free society, you get to say whatever you want. You do. Sometimes you will say things that offend people and sometimes people will be offended by what you say. That's just the way it goes. Threatening the lief of someone who offended you goes beyond "saying what you want." It is an act of violence. Physical acts of violence, directly incited or indirectly inspired, may well follow.

Anyway, I hope we're all on the same page, and if you're wondering, I will be drawing an extremely simplistic depiction of the prophet on May 20th.
 
Just read the thread. Some absolutely ridiculous shit on the first few pages.

I'll be drawing a feel-good comic with religious figures helping each other. See ya May 20th. :)
 
I have a feeling this will escalate into bigger things.
The event may not have the result people are looking for...but this will lead to unveiling of underlying views and emotions.


Just from reading this thread...there seems to be a lot of emotions going both ways.


I honestly am a little concerned as to what this will lead to.

The extremists are extremists and we have people that are bent on pissing them off (offending pics will be drawn).

I'm calling it here!
 
Oh shit that's awesome.

Gotta love the Spaghetti Monster at the bottom. :) (careful though, I hear some people have gotten death threats from Pastafarians)
 
Oh man.. can we please PLEASE get a fighter with gods and religious figures? Can you imagine this shit? Jesus vs Zeus, Anubis vs Joseph Smith ect...
 
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