Not surprising given the time he came on at and that he came on after a very soft round of shit questions to Cameron from the audience.
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Not surprising given the time he came on at and that he came on after a very soft round of shit questions to Cameron from the audience.
JonathanEx
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Coming up very shortly on C4: Coalition, the drama covering the events of the coalition government coming together. 9pm!
JonathanEx
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The first observation from Coalition is a reminder of just how shit the 2010 ITV debate set was. They better not fuck it up again this time.
WayneMorse
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More shocking is I saw a video of Jim Murphy announcing the start of the Scottish Labour campaign yesterday and there were people actually around him who were there to support him.
Or maybe just paid shills to hold up Scottish Labour signs, wouldn't doubt that either.
I'm not sure he'll mind, considering:
It might actually nudge Labour back toward the left.
ultratruman
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Probably family members.
God I can't wait to see Scottish Labour crumble. SNP have been given such a golden opportunity through their dour ineptitude.
CyclopsRock
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Mebbe, mebbe. It seems, though, like Scotland's current swooning for the SNP isn't really based on a left-right axis though, otherwise I doubt it'd be Miliband that'd cause them to flock (as opposed to Blair, say).
Also, the Times is getting slightly excitable - the average (poll of polls) for post-debate polls put's Labour 1pt ahead, which is roughly the position it's been routinely switching with the Tories for over the last few weeks. Still, might put the frighteners into some people.
Psychotext
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So I wasn't planning on voting, but now Katie Hopkins has said she'll leave the UK if Labour are elected, I know where my vote is going...
I think the election is about the less of the 3 evils. I honestly don't like any of them and their policies seems iffy.
But again, I am not British who is voting, but it will affect me in the long run.
Edit: Smaller class sizes actually sounds appealing as someone who works in a school. Labour it is then!
But again, I am not British who is voting, but it will affect me in the long run.
Edit: Smaller class sizes actually sounds appealing as someone who works in a school. Labour it is then!
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
I'm not feeding into the hype. I see them getting no more than 30 seats.
Will Jim Murphy run in the Holyrood election, or is he remaining in Westminster?
The SNP killed Scottish Labour in 2011. They've been in their death throes ever since. Seeing Labour celebrating alongside the Tories after the independence referendum was essentially someone turning off their own life support machine.
Historically 30 seats for the SNP would require an almost impossible swing, that folk are looking at it as if it's the lower end of their range (I too happen to think that's where they end up) is remarkable, and a testament to just how Scottish Labour venal, inept and lazy are and were.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
I know. 6-10 MPs is normally what the SNP hope for, and there's no doubt that the SNP will at least double the number of MPs they currently have. But I'm just telling people buying into the hype of a "ZOMG SNP is going to win nearly everything in Scotland!!11!" to think more realistically.
PJV3
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I fell for that with Paul Daniels, they really should be made to leave, at gunpoint if needed.
For point 3, Iwannaseethereceipts.gif
To increase numbers this way it would either:
- Blow a hole in their budget the size of the sun
- Take ground up training that would take longer than the run of a Parliament
This really needs to be questioned head on.
brokenbeans
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When are polling cards sent out?
I'm registered to my new address but no idea which station I will have to go to.
I'm registered to my new address but no idea which station I will have to go to.
FortuneFaded
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Write a letter to Points of View.
Received mine today, so 'soon' is the answer I guess
Received mine today, so 'soon' is the answer I guess
Today by mail? Sunday?
It's nothing to do with bias, Marr who was never the most aggressive questioner is just very very bad at interviewing politicians who are willing to talk over him, especially post stroke. Marr asked some good questions but could never follow it up because by the time IDS had shut up, Marr needed to move on to the next subject.
Compare that to Paxman, Humpries or Neil who'll all happily get into a shouting match to knock them off their message line diarrhoea. While I have some issues with the attack dog style of questioning, Humphries in particular doesn't actually let anyone answer, it's far better than passively letting politicans drone on over and over again about "long term economic plans" and "helping working families".
Visualante2
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Labour's entire policy seems to be defeatist and full of half measures. Aside from energy which I've not even looked into that closely. Tuition, three steps back one step forward. Capping private profits really isn't going to win my vote because that cap will just be massaged every 4 years. Rachel Reeves' entire strategy seems to be to position herself as harder on welfare than the Tories. No wonder Labour is having a hard time in Scotland.
It will be interesting to see how it goes. Personally I'm at the other end of the scale - I think at this stage it will be a shock if the SNP doesn't get 40+ seats.
What that means for the union, when one part is sending the majority of its representatives to parliament under the banner of independance, is another thing. I think the SNP have very cleverly not been talking about independance at all in this campaign.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Not clever, just tactics...they want to get the 2016 Scottish elections out of the way first, once that's done and dusted they will once again turn to trying to wreck the UK by getting another referendum circa 2020.
Westminster should refuse to agree to it, forcing the SNP to declare a UDI..which will then give us the excuse to send in the fucking tanks and deal with them once and for all...
)I found them by the door this morning but I guess it makes a lot more sense they arrived yesterday.
Wrestlemania
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Haha. You really do hate them, do you?
Cameron proposing tax break for married couples, a 100,000 threshold on immigration, and a freeze on VAT. Did I wake up in 2010? What was Einstein's definition of insanity again?
The Tories are clearly rattled. I think they expected a clear lead in the polls by this point giving them an opportunity to push towards a majority by targeting marginals, but it looks like they're going to have to expend some no small effort in maintaining seats as this rate.
The Tories are clearly rattled. I think they expected a clear lead in the polls by this point giving them an opportunity to push towards a majority by targeting marginals, but it looks like they're going to have to expend some no small effort in maintaining seats as this rate.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
As this is a Westminster election, the SNP are positioning themselves in an effort to be taken seriously in England, where they're still considered a single-issue party full of uppity ungrateful jocks. Independence is a matter for Holyrood.
Scottish politics has moved on so far from the 2010 election it is almost irrelevant. People were content to vote SNP at Holyrood and Labour for WM but the actions of Labour during the referendum have killed that stone dead. Yes voters will overwhelmingly back the SNP with some of that vote splintering to Green but what is more important is where the Yes vote came from, the Labour heartlands in Glasgow and North Lanarkshire where more than 50% voted yes. This is backed by Ashcrofts constituency polls. I live in an area with a Labour MP with a 5 figure majority and I think the SNP are going to win comfortably.
killer_clank
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I suspect the Labour strategy in Glasgow is "Save Mags Curran", at the expense of other Glasgow seats. This is insane to me since she seems absolutely useless, but she's clearly seen as indispensable amongst the Scot Lab big wigs.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...giving-up-in-key-election-marginals.121872445
Hilarious to see seats with 7k majorities being called 'marginals'
http://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...giving-up-in-key-election-marginals.121872445
Hilarious to see seats with 7k majorities being called 'marginals'
It's an interesting change and will be fascinating to see how Labour copes with it. A supply and confidence motion with the SNP is the probable best way for them to get into power, but at the same time it's the fastest way to ensure the death of Scottish Labour.
I do wonder what the effect would have been if the three parties hadn't joined up for the 'Better Together' campaign - it had a powerful message at the end when all three parties united to promise more powers, but its certainly had a corrosive effect on labour and the lib dems in Scotland. Couldn't have worked out better for the Tories in the end...
I do wonder what the effect would have been if the three parties hadn't joined up for the 'Better Together' campaign - it had a powerful message at the end when all three parties united to promise more powers, but its certainly had a corrosive effect on labour and the lib dems in Scotland. Couldn't have worked out better for the Tories in the end...
killer_clank
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I still think the SNP surge will be much more pronounced in Glasgow and the west than elsewhere in the country. Labour will probably do better in Edinburgh and the Lothians than polls suggest, but then they don't have the same stonking majorities they do in the west there. Some of the Edinburgh seats could become 4 way marginals I think, with the winner in the 30% of the vote region.
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Hasn't there only been one post-debate poll? There were ones with fieldwork done after the debate, but none with fieldwork after the first round of newspapers. For the purpose of polling, you're only post- something when you're post-reporting on it.
But yes, frighteners it is. If 36/32 happened, Labour would be about 5 seats away from a majority and the Conservatives would win about 235ish. Ed would also have done better than 2005 Blair.
QuicheFontaine
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Did you get this from one of your unreliable, crass and highly jaded right wing blogs that you like to post links to from time to time? Reality distortion field and all that.
jimbobsmells
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Apparently its 'not relevant' for the tories to detail where their cuts will come from...
http://gu.com/p/47438/stw
I guess it's not relevant to them if I vote for someone else then.
http://gu.com/p/47438/stw
I guess it's not relevant to them if I vote for someone else then.
Yeah, especially in light of the position paper leak to the BBC, they're going to look increasingly stupid as the campaign goes on if they don't say something more detailed about it. While Marr was poor this morning to let IDS away with it's not relevant line, they're going to get hammered about it every time they get interviewed.
The issue they have is that all the low hanging fruit is gone now. If you're determined to protect pensioners (where the vast majority of the benefits budget is actually spent) the only targets you have now are the working poor, middle class families (by limiting child benefit to X number of children) or the disabled. They've already hit the "scroungers"
So pretty much anything they announce is going to be massively unpopular, hence why they're not announcing anything.
Labour have similar issues on the whole balancing the books issue, they're vague about it because something will have to give in terms of taxation but they don't want to say it.
And politicians wonder why people don't trust them.
Wrestlemania
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Because the cuts will never be aimed at them. I got mine.
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No, BBC viewership figures. It's nothing to do with Ed, most shows experience a sharp viewership drop-off around that time as people get ready to sleep.
On a different note, while ICM's poll of people who watched the debate gave it to Cameron, YouGOV's poll of the general public gave it to Miliband by a 10 point margin, which just goes to show its how events are reported that matters. Sort of saddening, when you think about that, though.
They do have this problem, but all the main parties have this problem
2.6 million tuned it right? Presumably 1.73m people didn't tune off the moment Ed came on? Looks like by most accounts the debate seems to have helped Ed and Labour in general, which is why I find the claim somewhat dubious. I do agree the late timing of it likely will have seen many people switch off, but I'm not sure I'd pin that down to Ed Miliband himself.
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These was a sharp drop-off around the time Miliband switched from audience questions to Paxman. Probably nothing to do with him and more to do with what time it was. The fact not many people watched the whole thing is sort of irrelevant, because the commentariat watched the whole thing and reported on it the next day widely giving Ed the victory, hence why there seems to have been a poll boost. We don't have enough polls yet to be confident about the exact size, but it is very probably at least a 1% bump given it generated a 4% lead on a 3% margin of error.
I imagine it will fade quite quickly.
JonathanEx
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I've been wondering about this -- the only source I could find quickly is The Sun, which requires registration and I don't trust them not so say, just quote BBC News Channel figures rather than C4 to get an easy hitpiece. I'm mainly suspicious as the subhead says "hundreds of thousands of viewers switched channel after he appeared", which if it was really 2/3rds loss, that'd be almost 2 million?
Some figures suggest more saw Ed than David:
https://twitter.com/johnplunkett149/status/581402710752260096
One of the saddest and depressing issues about this election is the success of the austerity narrative painted in the media. The focus on the deficit. This outrageous lie, an ideologically driven policy that has permeated into the public consciousness as necessary to achieve credibility in any economic debate. It is of course total rubbish, since such policy is ineffectual at the ZLB.
The deficit at ZLB is irrelevant. The cuts proposed by the Conservatives are ideological, unnecessary and damaging. The Labour party has sold it's soul and has not pushed back against this right-wing narrative with facts. It has adopted a similar set of proposals in order to appear 'credible'. The credibility debate being a crock of shit to begin with.
People are so poorly educated about the situation they find themselves in. In 2010 this country was not in any grave danger. At all. We were never going to not be able to borrow. The pound was not going to collapse. Anyone trying to paint a picture that it was is peddling bullshit.
I hope for SNP involvement in any coalition formed. The only way to pull us back to the centre from the current batshit insane right of centre special interest dominated policy.
EDIT: My constituency is Westminster, my MP is an evangelical Christian Conservative. A good bloke but I disagree with him on everything.
The deficit at ZLB is irrelevant. The cuts proposed by the Conservatives are ideological, unnecessary and damaging. The Labour party has sold it's soul and has not pushed back against this right-wing narrative with facts. It has adopted a similar set of proposals in order to appear 'credible'. The credibility debate being a crock of shit to begin with.
People are so poorly educated about the situation they find themselves in. In 2010 this country was not in any grave danger. At all. We were never going to not be able to borrow. The pound was not going to collapse. Anyone trying to paint a picture that it was is peddling bullshit.
I hope for SNP involvement in any coalition formed. The only way to pull us back to the centre from the current batshit insane right of centre special interest dominated policy.
EDIT: My constituency is Westminster, my MP is an evangelical Christian Conservative. A good bloke but I disagree with him on everything.
phisheep
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I'm not entirely sure that I get your argument here avaya. You're not denying, surely, that there is a deficit. And I gather the point of borrowing is not whether we would be able to do it, but at what cost - and that's something that does have a pretty substantial impact on the public finances.
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