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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!

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Tak3n

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This is a clear 'everybody out for themselves' result.

Astonishing.

we have had 5 years of 'look at those lazy fucks taking all your tax money. things would be so much better if you let us fuck them over' being drummed into us

are you surprised?
 

SmokyDave

Member
Can't believe the result

Unprecedented cuts in the next government and they still get a majority?

NHS will be gone, local councils ravaged, inequality to widen even further, poverty, foodbanks, education system decimated and the demonization of the welfare state.

Appalling.
To be honest, I expect anyone making less than six figures to be thrown into an incinerator by the end of next week.
 

Spuck-uk

Banned
I wasn't looking forward to opening my laptop this morning. And it's worse than I feared.

Just stay in Europe, folks. Whatever else you let the Conservatives do, just try and make the smart choices.

With Miliband now gone, here's hoping for a fresh start for Labour.

The conservatives are funded by and answerable to business concerns.

Businesses aren't stupid enough to want out of Europe.
 

Symphonia

Banned
So do I, nice bloke.
Yep. His heart was definitely in this. It really is a shame so many pissed all over Labour's manifesto. What really got me, though, and you'll have to excuse the derogatory language here, but I overheard a group of lads yesterday saying they'd 'never vote for a retard who is unable to get his words out' - they were pretty much saying they chose not to vote for Ed based purely on his speech impediment. Utter cunts. I really hope Ed doesn't lose too much heart over this.
 
David Miliband defeated by a banana.

Ed Miliband defeated by a bacon sandwich.

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Audioboxer

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Yep. His heart was definitely in this. It really is a shame so many pissed all over Labour's manifesto. What really got me, though, and you'll have to excuse the derogatory language here, but I overheard a group of lads yesterday saying they'd 'never vote for a retard who is unable to get his words out' - they were pretty much saying they chose not to vote for Ed based purely on his speech impediment. Utter cunts. I really hope Ed doesn't lose too much heart over this.

Disgusting people.
 
The conservatives are funded by and answerable to business concerns.

Businesses aren't stupid enough to want out of Europe.

The challenge is that with such a tiny majority, Cameron has to pay a bit more attention to the crazier wings of the party who'll want to leave.
 
I'm not sure the Troy surge was necessarily a selfish one. I think a big part of it was FEAR of the SNP in coalition. I don't think SNP being a coalition would actually have been that bad.

Hehehe. I like how the only two options you can consider viable are either SELFISH or FEAR. Is the idea that people may think the prospectus of a conservative government may make the country a better place really that hard to believe? I think that's a little bit caricature and naive. I support conservative policies because I think that, on the whole, they'll make the country a better place. We exist. Perhaps 11m of us, actually.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
Heh I actually didn't vote for them, but this is the result I wanted so I guess that's more or less the same thing.

And I don't see how what I said was wrong. Who was more Liberal? Thatcher? Major? Disraeli? Cameron increased spending on the NHS, legalised gay marriage, has cut defence spending whilst maintaining foreign aid etc. Now obviously, as a conservative, he's going to be to the right of you on basically every metric. But people have often complained either about his inability to de-toxify the brand (if you're on the left) or his attempts to de-toxify the brand (if you're on the right) but to me this result demonstrates that in the UK there is an appetite for a center right party that isn't a David Davis, Michael Howard style old-school conservatism and is more concerned with liberal values than any that's come before him.

In short, there are worst things than a Cameron majority government.

NHS spending has barely increased in real terms (less so even than under Thatcher's government), and combined with 'efficiency savings' has led to massive falloffs in quality of service across the board.

Legalisation of gay marriage, sure, it was inevitable anyway though. Defense spending cuts is again fairly minor as far as I'm concerned.

This is coupled with vicious and deliberate attacks on the people in society least able to defend themselves. At least I could honestly say that I think Thatcher believed she was doing good, even if she was actually callously ruining the livelihoods of thousands of people. Cameron's Tories laughed while they announced that they were slashing benefits. They were barely able to contain their glee as they started the project of dismantling all of Labour's 20th century victories for the common man.

And now with a majority government it'll continue apace. Part of the reason I can't imagine the future of the British left is because I can no longer imagine the future of the British left's institutions.

Cameron's Tories are the most radically right wing party Britain has ever elected. To suggest that they're liberal is a cruel joke.
 

Audioboxer

Member
To be honest, I expect anyone making less than six figures to be thrown into an incinerator by the end of next week.

Its cool, I'm pretty poor and I'll open up my Scottish home for English immigration via some sleeping bags and my open food bank, erm, kitchen fridge I mean.
 
I think when you sit down and look at the vote share in England calmly, you get back to the importance of the UKIP vote. The Tories marginally increased their vote share and so did Labour. But UKIP, as mentioned above, came 2nd in 118 seats, a good number of them in the north and middle of England, successfully convincing disaffected voters to come with them instead of Labour, while the Tories did a much better job of limiting bleeding to them (learning from the European Elections last year). The Greens also didn't die off despite a bad campaign, increasing their vote share by 2.8%.

The Lib Dem collapse is more eye catching, but both Labour and the Tories did a good job of feasting on their carcass, even if the Tories naturally benefitted more. As for Scotland, well, it may be gone for good after tonight - I expect a big offer of fiscal power in exchange for less presence at Westminster.

I think this election will go down as "the one Ed lost" but history will also show he was dealt a hard hand - attacked ruthlessly and relentlessly by the right, undercut by a clearer, cynical call to the disaffected by Farage's UKIP, and overran in Scotland by a force that no possible Labour leader could have stopped. Labour will presumably tack to the right from here.
 
Hehehe. I like how the only two options you can consider viable are either SELFISH or FEAR. Is the idea that people may think the prospectus of a conservative government may make the country a better place really that hard to believe? I think that's a little bit caricature and naive. I support conservative policies because I think that, on the whole, they'll make the country a better place. We exist. Perhaps 11m of us, actually.

Absolutely I accept that. But that doesn't account for the polling discrepancies. The numbers seem to suggest that the SNP issue tipped the balance.
 

Cindres

Vied for a tag related to cocks, so here it is.
To be honest, I expect anyone making less than six figures to be thrown into an incinerator by the end of next week.

From my Facebook feed I believe this to be the case, then all their council housing will be demolished and replaced with expensive upmarket flats for wealthy foreigners to buyup as investments while the few remaining working class are forced to polish shoes on the street and treat themselves with old remedies and tonics stirred up in old Aldi baked beans cans.

I mean fucking hell I'm a Labour voter but some folk need a quick step back and give it a second before jumping to the end of the world and applying for German citizenships.
 
Thatcher realised how awful a lot of her policies were early on and quietly went on in a much less radical way. Maybe a similar thing happened with Cameron or maybe the opposite will happen and he will feel that it's time to open the radical Thatcherite flood gates now he has a majority?
 

Saiyar

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I'm from outside the UK and am just wondering if dismantling the NHS is a real possibility for the Tories. I know they'll continue to make terrible cuts, but I hope that the NHS is big enough to endure and eventually mend.

The Tories won't dismantle the NHS, it is far to popular with the grey vote. The Kings Fund report earlier this year showed that the reforms didn't bring any increase in privatisation.
 

Uzzy

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To be honest, I expect anyone making less than six figures to be thrown into an incinerator by the end of next week.

This. I pass a hospital on my way home from work, so I'm expecting the Tory stormtroopers to already be there selling everything off and shooting the sick.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
The Tories won't dismantle the NHS, it is far to popular with the grey vote. The Kings Fund report earlier this year showed that the reforms didn't bring any increase in privatisation.

Make no mistake, it's on the table. They'll continue to mothball it until the service is catastrophically terrible, and then they'll announce more 'efficiency improvements' in the form of another round of privatisations.
 

Hasney

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From my Facebook feed I believe this to be the case, then all their council housing will be demolished and replaced with expensive upmarket flats for wealthy foreigners to buyup as investments while the few remaining working class are forced to polish shoes on the street and treat themselves with old remedies and tonics stirred up in old Aldi baked beans cans.

I mean fucking hell I'm a Labour voter but some folk need a quick step back and give it a second before jumping to the end of the world and applying for German citizenships.

Yeah, it's a bit nuts. I think the Tories are the worst of the 2 viable options we had for the country, but compared to somewhere like the US Republicans, they're not that awful.

EU membership going away might make me brush up on my German, but not even the Tories themselves want that.
 

Xun

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How depressing. They criticised Labour for their stupid big brother activities (which is why I voted Lib Dem in 2010) and now they're doing the same things they criticised Labour for.

The United Kingdom doesn't stand a chance, it's fucked. Left wing politics is dead, Scotland is going to go independent and we're most likely going to leave the EU.

What a fucking embarrassment.

Perhaps I should move to the soon to be independent Scotland...
 

Saiyar

Unconfirmed Member
Thatcher realised how awful a lot of her policies were early on and quietly went on in a much less radical way. Maybe a similar thing happened with Cameron or maybe the opposite will happen and he will feel that it's time to open the radical Thatcherite flood gates now he has a majority?

Now that the Lib Dems are gone there is no one else to take the blame. How the Tories act this parliament depends on whether or not they want to try and win in 2020 or just say "fuck it we are getting voted out anyway". I wouldn't want to be the ones that replaces Cameron either way.
 

Tak3n

Banned
Labour are almost a 100 seats behind the tories, that very likely means torie also get in next term

just to please you lefties
 

Cindres

Vied for a tag related to cocks, so here it is.
Yeah, it's a bit nuts. I think the Tories are the worst of the 2 viable options we had for the country, but compared to somewhere like the US Republicans, they're not that awful.

EU membership going away might make me brush up on my German, but not even the Tories themselves want that.

I'm going to be in Germany in two weeks, better let people know I'm not going to look for a new home.
 

SmokyDave

Member
Nah the poor people will be roundly mocked in the media, like they've been for the past 5 years.
Poor people are roundly mocked. Rich people are roundly despised. The fuckers in the middle (most of us) are beaten from pillar to post. Everyone's got someone out for 'em.
 

Heigic

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I liked Clegg.. he seems to actually care about people. Clearly the 'we would be in a Greece situation' is a bit of an exaggeration but he sacrificed his party and gave us stable government when we needed it. Hopefully the Lib Dems rebuild in the future.
 

hodgy100

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Heh I actually didn't vote for them, but this is the result I wanted so I guess that's more or less the same thing.

And I don't see how what I said was wrong. Who was more Liberal? Thatcher? Major? Disraeli? Cameron increased spending on the NHS, legalised gay marriage, has cut defence spending whilst maintaining foreign aid etc. Now obviously, as a conservative, he's going to be to the right of you on basically every metric. But people have often complained either about his inability to de-toxify the brand (if you're on the left) or his attempts to de-toxify the brand (if you're on the right) but to me this result demonstrates that in the UK there is an appetite for a center right party that isn't a David Davis, Michael Howard style old-school conservatism and is more concerned with liberal values than any that's come before him.

In short, there are worst things than a Cameron majority government.

yeah this is how im seeing things. I dont believe that this result is the end game that many here are making it out to be.
 

Hasney

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Labour are almost a 100 seats behind the tories, that very likely means torie also get in next term

just to please you lefties

Nah, they can get fucked over still. I think some of the policies they've already brought up last term that didn't get implemented could cause a major swing back. Just depends if people actually have some long memories for once or how early the Tories put those wheels into motion.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
Poor people are roundly mocked. Rich people are roundly despised. The fuckers in the middle (most of us) are beaten from pillar to post. Everyone's got someone out for 'em.

roundly despised so much that millions of people will vote for them to run the country in a way that makes life worse for the poor.
 
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