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[liquidtmd]

Can we just ignore all polls from now on?

I think it's probably for the best

 

[Walshicus]

Fantasy time...

Labour should rebrand as an England-only party in loose alliance with the SNP and Plaid; forgo contesting seats outside of England.

 

[SymbiantXenos]

Starting a ukgaf independent party. We'll be in government next term. Who's with me.

 

[Vitanimus]

wow, you can move to iceland on an EU passport?

i need to look into this.

yep. and work there. my true homeland t b h

 

[CyclopsRock]

Oh shit, I just remembered that guy in Glasgow who put down £30k on a Tory Majority.

Motherfucker's gonna be buying up the bar tonight.

 

[Hasney]

Can we just ignore all polls from now on?

This is significantly easier to poll than FPTP is.

I looked into it after Cyclops post saying the same thing about the polls. The Scotland one was actually very much accurate by the end, so they do have some value.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/poll-tracker

Switch it to 12 months.

 

[driver116]

The seat system is such a pile of shit!

True. It favours smaller constituencies where confidence can easily be controlled. Then again, the UK chooses to keep it this way.

 

[Carl2291]

Tory Majority is great, just for the reactions from the left.

Hilarious.

 

[Knoxcore]

How depressing. They criticised Labour for their stupid big brother activities (which is why I voted Lib Dem in 2010) and now they're doing the same things they criticised Labour for.

The United Kingdom doesn't stand a chance, it's fucked. Left wing politics is dead, Scotland is going to go independent and we're most likely going to leave the EU.

What a fucking embarrassment.

Perhaps I should move to the soon to be independent Scotland...

Jesup, the doom and gloom around here. Listen, America survived Bush, the UK will survive Conservatives in power. And frankly, as an American looking in, I never much liked Milliband and never felt Labour found its groove.

 

[SmokyDave]

roundly despised so much that millions of people will vote for them to run the country in a way that makes life worse for the poor.

Yup. Everyone hates everyone.

As for the Conservatives making life worse for the poor, I'll wait until I see the 'when' and 'how' before I clutch my pearls.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Identity politics now rules. Labour should now rebrand as the party of single women who work part jobs at a florist and have a slight limp due to a motorcycle accident.

 

[DrFurbs]

Five more years of cuts and austerity...unfucking believable!

 

[twobear]

Jesup, the doom and gloom around here. Listen, America survived Bush, the UK will survive Conservatives in power. And frankly, as an American looking in, I never much liked Milliband and never felt Labour found its groove.

it barely survived the last time the tories were in power. commentators in the 1980s were imagining london in the 21st century as being a sprawling slum, it was so bad.

Yup. Everyone hates everyone.

As for the Conservatives making life worse for the poor, I'll wait until I see the 'when' and 'how' before I clutch my pearls.

Here's Unicef criticising what they've already done. And now they don't have the Lib Dems to water it down any more. Imagining that this isn't just the beginning is nothing short of delusional.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

wow, you can move to iceland on an EU passport?

i need to look into this.

Tesco or Asda could be valid substitutes.

 

[SymbiantXenos]

Tesco or Asda could be valid substitutes.

Marks and Spencers for all

 

[CCS]

I really hope Boris Johnson gets caught receiving oral from the voice actor of the protagonist of Wolfenstein.

The papers could run the headline "BJ'S BJ BJ"

 

[Cindres]

Yup. Everyone hates everyone.

As for the Conservatives making life worse for the poor, I'll wait until I see the 'when' and 'how' before I clutch my pearls.

This is why I wish people would just simmer down for a minute before making all these hot headed remarks. Let's just see what happens first shall we before steaming over things that haven't come to pass.

Seems oddly appropriate timing that 2 weeks ago we were offered private medical through work, I'm still holding out and sticking to the NHS I already pay for on principal but I'll be ready to jump ship if somehow the Tories destroy it like my Facebook feed and this thread would have me believe.

 

[ANuclearError]

So what sorta cabinet role could we see Boris in? If we're going down this route we might as well place where he'll cause the biggest disaster.

 

[Beefy]

ComRes poll regarding in out referendum from two days ago.

That means the Yes to exiting Europe will be around 70%.

 

[chadskin]

No idea if it was posted already but this is brillant lol

 

[SymbiantXenos]

So what sorta cabinet role could we see Boris in? If we're going down this route we might as well place where he'll cause the biggest disaster.

DWP

 

[AHA-Lambda]

The seat system is such a pile of shit!

Yep -_-

 

[Bumhead]

Yup. Everyone hates everyone.

Britain in 2015.

That's basically our slogan.

Divide and conquor with elections fought and won on fear and hate. I know people who went to the polls yesterday and cast their votes entirely on policy's that punished elements of our society rather than benefitting their own vote.

 

[cjp]

Not really sure why people don't think the poor will be hit seeing as how the past five years has widened inequality and forced many to rely on charity handouts for fucking food.

 

[Audioboxer]

Just saw that the Conservatives got seat 326. Was sick in my mouth a little bit.

Probably going to be me after work. Go out and drink to celebrate SNP, and at the same time drink to help onset depression of a conservative majority... and be sick.

 

[twobear]

Not really sure why people don't think the poor will be hit seeing as how the past five years has widened inequality and forced many to rely on charity handouts for fucking food.

it's honestly kind of saddening. insist that we don't know in advance, and of course in five years time, insist that nobody could have known it would happen.

 

[Madchad]

People seem to think the cons are way over to the right like were in years gone by. These days they are far more to the left though still to the right compared to then.

 

[Daffy Duck]

No idea if it was posted already but this is brillant lol

Amazing.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Probably going to be me after work. Go out and drink to celebrate SNP, and at the same time drink to help onset depression of a conservative majority... and be sick.

I'll be getting drunk for the vice versa :/

 

[hodgy100]

Starting a ukgaf independent party. We'll be in government next term. Who's with me.

I'd actually go with this

 

[twobear]

People seem to think the cons are way over to the right like were in years gone by. These days they are far more to the left compared to then.

they're not. they're more to the right than thatcher. it's just that the political discourse in general has shifted to the right, so they seem less radical.

 

[CharmingCharlie]

Looks like Theresa May already has the shopping list out, promising more powers for the security services to spy on UK Citizens to keep UK Citizens "safe".

As for the election I am flabbergasted and I am expecting the next 5 years to be sheer and utter hell for millions of poor people in the UK (me being one of them). Not that I think Labour would have been any different.

I hope those that voted for a conservative majority enjoy all the right wing goodies Cammy is about to bring us from oppressive state wide security right up to GP fees and the utter destruction of the NHS as we know it.

Right I am off to find the location of my nearest foodbank, I have a feeling I am gonna be needing it soon.

 

[Lashley]

Why are people saying that others are making hot headed remarks in regards to the policies against the poor?

They've been doing it for years, there's evidence of it. Why would they change? They've even said it'll get worse.

 

[mrklaw]

NHS spending has barely increased in real terms (less so even than under Thatcher's government), and combined with 'efficiency savings' has led to massive falloffs in quality of service across the board.

Legalisation of gay marriage, sure, it was inevitable anyway though. Defense spending cuts is again fairly minor as far as I'm concerned.

This is coupled with vicious and deliberate attacks on the people in society least able to defend themselves. At least I could honestly say that I think Thatcher believed she was doing good, even if she was actually callously ruining the livelihoods of thousands of people. Cameron's Tories laughed while they announced that they were slashing benefits. They were barely able to contain their glee as they started the project of dismantling all of Labour's 20th century victories for the common man.

And now with a majority government it'll continue apace. Part of the reason I can't imagine the future of the British left is because I can no longer imagine the future of the British left's institutions.

Cameron's Tories are the most radically right wing party Britain has ever elected. To suggest that they're liberal is a cruel joke.

I don't know how old you are, but I think you mentioned this being the first (or one of the first) times you've voted. I'm trying not to make this sound condescending, but the first time you vote and your chosen party loses - hurts bad. Feels personal. It will pass and it won't feel quite as bad next time your party loses. It will also feel glorious when your party wins. It does feel like the world is ending - but it won't. And it won't be nearly as bad as you feel or describe. Honestly.

 

[The Henery]

True. It favours smaller constituencies where confidence can easily be controlled. Then again, the UK chooses to keep it this way.

When was the UK offered a choice other than the risible AV?

 

[Psychotext]

I'm fully expecting to have to use my new national online ID to look at (pre-approved) porn.

Not actually joking.

 

[electroshockwave]

ComRes poll regarding in out referendum from two days ago.

My main fear with an in/out referendum is that those who want out will be more inclined to vote as those who want to stay in may not feel as strongly about it. There certainly isn't the historical/sentimental attachment to the EU that Scotland has to the Union. And the benefits of being in the EU (compared to Scotland being in the UK) aren't as clear either. The average person probably gets the impression from the media that they're only there to regulate bananas and vacuum cleaners, and let a bunch of Eastern Europeans in. Add that to the fact that I think Cameron has been ineffectual on foreign policy (the whole fuss he kicked up over the selection of Juncker for example) and the other EU countries being a bit fed up with us I doubt that they will negotiate significantly better terms for the UK if we do stay in.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

People seem to think the cons are way over to the right like were in years gone by. These days they are far more to the left though still to the right compared to then.

You don't remember what the right wing backbenchers did to Major with a similar small majority. People expecting a mild and reasonable Tory government could end up being surprised.

 

[SmokyDave]

Here's Unicef criticising what they've already done. And now they don't have the Lib Dems to water it down any more. Imagining that this isn't just the beginning is nothing short of delusional.

There's Unicef criticising the levels of child poverty in Britain. Who is to blame for that isn't such a simple matter. I'd like to see if child poverty levels rose or fell between 1997 and 2010.

This is why I wish people would just simmer down for a minute before making all these hot headed remarks. Let's just see what happens first shall we before steaming over things that haven't come to pass.

Seems oddly appropriate timing that 2 weeks ago we were offered private medical through work, I'm still holding out and sticking to the NHS I already pay for on principal but I'll be ready to jump ship if somehow the Tories destroy it like my Facebook feed and this thread would have me believe.

We're all doomed, man. You won't get time to opt into private healthcare now the apocalypse is upon us.

 

[Ashes]

People seem to think the cons are way over to the right like were in years gone by. These days they are far more to the left though still to the right compared to then.

Er... with all due respect... no?

 

[mrklaw]

This is why I wish people would just simmer down for a minute before making all these hot headed remarks. Let's just see what happens first shall we before steaming over things that haven't come to pass.

Seems oddly appropriate timing that 2 weeks ago we were offered private medical through work, I'm still holding out and sticking to the NHS I already pay for on principal but I'll be ready to jump ship if somehow the Tories destroy it like my Facebook feed and this thread would have me believe.

I have family medical insurance through work, but I pay tax on it - so it is costing me maybe £500 a year. tbh I'd be happy to ditch it. When we had our children the NHS was fantastic, and for the few times we've needed it, it was fine too.

 

[Delusibeta]

It should be important to note that the SNP's success isn't due to them being nationalist, but rather it's because they are a sustainable left-wing party. Labour is too right for Scotland, yet is too left of England. Considering how many more seats are in England, Labour is guaranteed to more right, which means Scotland will be SNPland politically for the foreseeable future. I would not expect another independence referendum until 2020 at the earliest, partly due to the oil price and partly due to Sturgeon being aware that she has substantial unionist support that probably won't materialise in an independence referendum.

 

[Varion]

So they did get a majority? Well, that's that then, I guess. They got the most votes and the most seats so I'm not going to be bitter, they won fair and square.

(time to wait for another Scotland indepedence referendum then flee up north)

 

[Moze]

Are people trying to deny the tories hate poor people?

 

[SteveWinwood]

you guys let the tories win again? lol

thatcher just wasnt enough huh

 

[Audioboxer]

So they did get a majority? Well, that's that then, I guess. They got the most votes and the most seats so I'm not going to be bitter, they won fair and square.

(time to wait for another Scotland indepedence referendum then flee up north)

I welcome ye! The more English in Scotland the better. We have more fun up here, and some top notch foodbanks.

 

[pashmilla]

Are people trying to deny the tories hate poor people?

b-b-b-but benefit fraud!!

 

[Conan-san]

The seat system is such a pile of shit!

Live be the FPTP, Die by the FPTP.

 

[Ricky 7]

I hope we don't leave the EU.

 

[twobear]

I don't know how old you are, but I think you mentioned this being the first (or one of the first) times you've voted. I'm trying not to make this sound condescending, but the first time you vote and your chosen party loses - hurts bad. Feels personal. It will pass and it won't feel quite as bad next time your party loses. It will also feel glorious when your party wins. It does feel like the world is ending - but it won't. And it won't be nearly as bad as you feel or describe. Honestly.

Not the first time I've voted. Lost last time too. Voted differently each time (both times hoping to keep the Tories out of power).

Hoped that five years of Tory ineptitude might have had some vague impact on the electorate. Never expected the effect to be that it would make them hand the Tories a majority and carte blanche to mishandle it even worse.

This is my point: as a left wing voter in 2015, I have no party. Nobody represents my views (except, perhaps, the Greens). My only hope going into elections now is that I can keep the Tories out of power so that they're not able to destroy the things that I hold dear about this country. Now I don't even have that hope left, and nor do any of my left leaning friends.

The Tories have won the battle of British politics so thoroughly that as a left wing person my only option in elections is to fight a rearguard action in the hopes of keeping them out of power. The right's hegemony over British politics has now lasted as long as the left's did after WW2, and it's only set to continue. I see no end to this situation in my lifetime.