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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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SlickShoes
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S¡mon;163165435 said:
I think in the UK that this would create an even bigger divide between Wales/Scotland/NI and England than there is now. You would have the percentage of the vote we account for counting for much less to the point your vote would be almost irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. A party like UKIP that has almost 0 support outwith England ends up basically doing what you are moaning about the SNP doing here, it just switches it around.
You'd need some sort of cut off too, so you would end up with Con, Lab, UKIP, SNP and maybe the Lib Dems represented, the smaller parties that have won like 1 seat or 4 seats would have too small a number of votes in the new system and not be represented at all. Wales and NI would suffer in this system.
To be honest, I don't have any answer to the first part of your post. I'm not from Britain and I don't have enough knowledge about British politics to give you a proper answer.
Since I'm not from Britain, this might be non of my business at all. Still, as I mentioned earlier, 3.8 million not represented vs 1.5 million quite heavily represented... it seems so wrong.
SymbiantXenos
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They'll be the first complaining.
This thread is too depressing for me, all this doom and gloom talk. 
So much bad shit about to happen and Tories being right wing and in power is the least of that issue. The issue runs deeper with the public who have gradually shifted towards right and put liberalism back by years, all based on fear mongering. They voted a party that failed them and made them majority. A party that despite all of that has won by a landslide...that is frightening.
SNP is basically the case of Scotland getting back at westminister for all those years, and honestly Westminster had it coming....but it also makes things shit for UK with an Us vs Them game and will most certainly lead to further issues.
So much bad shit about to happen and Tories being right wing and in power is the least of that issue. The issue runs deeper with the public who have gradually shifted towards right and put liberalism back by years, all based on fear mongering. They voted a party that failed them and made them majority. A party that despite all of that has won by a landslide...that is frightening.
SNP is basically the case of Scotland getting back at westminister for all those years, and honestly Westminster had it coming....but it also makes things shit for UK with an Us vs Them game and will most certainly lead to further issues.
maquiladora
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"Thank you for the selfies"
I'd rather just move to Canada.
Kinda surprised that SNP took Dumfries so easily, wasn't expecting over a 10% lead. Hopefully our new MP is as good as the last.
CyclopsRock
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Heh I actually didn't vote for them, but this is the result I wanted so I guess that's more or less the same thing.
And I don't see how what I said was wrong. Who was more Liberal? Thatcher? Major? Disraeli? Cameron increased spending on the NHS, legalised gay marriage, has cut defence spending whilst maintaining foreign aid etc. Now obviously, as a conservative, he's going to be to the right of you on basically every metric. But people have often complained either about his inability to de-toxify the brand (if you're on the left) or his attempts to de-toxify the brand (if you're on the right) but to me this result demonstrates that in the UK there is an appetite for a center right party that isn't a David Davis, Michael Howard style old-school conservatism and is more concerned with liberal values than any that's come before him.
In short, there are worst things than a Cameron majority government.
Charles Brandon
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My take is that the kids didn't bother coming out. If you're reading this and you're under 25, you don't have a job and you see your future being cashed in and spent on the pensioners AND you didn't vote, then you only have yourself to blame.
Personally, a tory gov't probably suits my interests. My job is providing tax consultancy services to the wealthy. I'm comfortable financially and I'm invested in the London property bubble and I still voted Labour.
Black Republican
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wink wink Harriet
This is primarily where that idea falls apart for me too.
So they get that many seats, how is it then decided who fills those seats? Assuming the leader of the majority party becomes the PM do they then pick their cabinet and assign seats? Also what if it's a very minor win? Does the leader of that party get it automatically or does it still require some higher percentage? And what about my local rep? I may not have voted for the tories but at least I have Labour representation in my constituency.
Audioboxer
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This thread is too depressing for me, all this doom and gloom talk.
So much bad shit about to happen and Tories being right wing and in power is the least of that issue. The issue runs deeper with the public who have gradually shifted towards right and put liberalism back by years, all based on fear mongering. They voted a party that failed them and made them majority. A party that despite all of that has won by a landslide...that is frightening.
SNP is basically the case of Scotland getting back at westminister for all those years, and honestly Westminster had it coming....but it also makes things shit for UK with an Us vs Them game and will most certainly lead to further issues.
Yeah it will and I hate that so much. As a Scot who loves everyone it breaks me to see a cancerous divide potentially take off even further from this.
I genuinely just wanted to see more progressive politics and thought an SNP/Labour partnership would have been a step that way.
sheepishlord
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You can thank the "shy" Tories, if you can find one. They're notoriously sly and evasive creatures.
It's just a play on people. David Cameron managed to successfully convince people having the Scottish supplementing Labour is a bad thing.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
They're the worst of the worse.
Traumnovelle
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I'm from outside the UK and am just wondering if dismantling the NHS is a real possibility for the Tories. I know they'll continue to make terrible cuts, but I hope that the NHS is big enough to endure and eventually mend.
Thank you for you response. I must admit that I didn't realize there's such a big divide between Wales, Scotland, Northern-Ireland and England. As I mentioned earlier in a post, I might not have enough knowledge about British politics to continue this discussion. I find it very interesting, though, how you (and others) think about this problem. All I can say is that I hope that something will change, so more British citizens will be represented in the Parliament.
Psychotext
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Yup, pretty much the same with me. I'm a company director... but I know I can take the hit financially, and I was willing to.
I'm really hoping that by the end of this, the trade unions have less of a say in Labour. Ultimately, they're the ones who ended up putting Labour on this path to defeat.
Yeah, it's a difficult one. I like the theory of the American system (not the part with states having points for the presidency, but I digress) with the president, house and senate all being voted in separately, but in practice, the partisanship that only has increased in our system would lead to similar headaches that they have with not much getting done due to constant arguing.
year 0: current party is stale and things in the country are looking bad. Lets have a changing of the guard to freshen things up. New party will save us.
year 5: Things were pretty ok. Not as much changed as we'd hoped, but there was a ton to fix. We should let these guys have another go to have time to properly implement their proposals
year 10: Things are barely any different to with those other guys, but the economy is a bit wobbly at the moment and the opposition doesn't have their act together. I guess we go with the devil we know - not the time to rock the boat.
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Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
You're the good guys. Voting for others and not yourselves.
It depends on David Cameron's definition of 'protect the NHS from spending cuts'.
he has a very right wing back bench, who he now needs a lot more than last term, if he even hinted about not doing a referendum, his party would implode, and there would almost certainly be a leadership challenge
Jimmyfenix
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Not surprised at jim Murphy not stepping down.
JonathanEx
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Was filming over the last couple of hours.
Totally. It can be hard to look toward the bottom, but I hope those that have been there and worked their way out of it didn't vote too far to the right, because that's the kind of attitude that ends up irking me.
Graphics Horse
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It's being recorded on the day for once! 10am.
Dirtyshubb
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Yeah i can image that his idea of 'protecting' is to have private business 'helping out' with specific services until the whole thing is private.
CyclopsRock
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emily m ‏@maitlis 9 mins9 minutes ago
Inevitably Ed M looks rather statesman like now. Cool, relaxed, unforced. its all so grim what politics does to someone.
This is so true. He seemed so natural, confident, genuine. And whilst some of that came through in the campaign, you have to imagine that at some point someone will work out that, maybe, actually, the people just want someone who's actually, genuinely normal.
Inevitably Ed M looks rather statesman like now. Cool, relaxed, unforced. its all so grim what politics does to someone.
This is so true. He seemed so natural, confident, genuine. And whilst some of that came through in the campaign, you have to imagine that at some point someone will work out that, maybe, actually, the people just want someone who's actually, genuinely normal.
Charles Brandon
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I'm not sure the Troy surge was necessarily a selfish one. I think a big part of it was FEAR of the SNP in coalition. I don't think SNP being a coalition would actually have been that bad.
PrivateRyan
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David Miliband defeated by a banana.
Ed Miliband defeated by a bacon sandwich.
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