So basically what happened was the polling averaged out around 34% for each party, the margin of error was entirely in favour of the Conservatives and there was a small swing to the incumbents in the polling booth as well. Or at least that's what I expect the pollsters to say.
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So basically what happened was the polling averaged out around 34% for each party, the margin of error was entirely in favour of the Conservatives and there was a small swing to the incumbents in the polling booth as well. Or at least that's what I expect the pollsters to say.
Principate
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Have you seen their policies and those leaked by the Lib dem MP, or listened to George Osborn speak ever? (you can feel the distain in his words and any reactions to questions to why his increasing the taxes on the working class but doesn't even mention or imply taxes to the better off)
It's one thing to accept this fact, and simply take the good with the bad, but that ignorance is astounding. Do you even pay attention to the Tory government at all?
It's Reyn Time!
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Sure, just pop next door to that other flat that's readily available. Or maybe it'll be 100 miles away, away from all your family and friends and job. Make sure your kids change school too, because fuck you having a box room without a lodger in it, you fucking serf.
APZonerunner
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Has anyone else noticed that in Jeremy Vine's fake CG parliament one of the MPs on the benches is that taxi driver who ended up on BBC News by mistake years ago? They've straight up cut him out of that footage nervously glancing around and put him on the benches. Hilarious, lovely BBC News easter egg.
Can someone contrast that with percentage of seats?
That sucks. As a working male I have never received Housing Benefits or council tax benefits (or whatever you get) and I've always had to pay my way, so I guess my view is skewed because I pay all my rent myself so have the freedom to choose wherever I want to live.
My word.
Psychotext
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Awesome.
This post is dripping with Conservatism. Pretty much exactly what people refer to when they say about Conservative attitudes towards the poor.
PULL YOURSELF UP BY YOUR BOOTSTRAPS SON.
Edit - For what it's worth, I completely understand what you're saying. But what you're saying shows a complete lack of empathy and understanding.
SymbiantXenos
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^^ This 100%
electroshockwave
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It's a policy that has failed in what it was intended to do and needlessly punished many disabled and vulnerable. http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/28/bedroom-tax-failed-overcrowding-savings
Oh and there's this case of a victim of extreme domestic violence that has their home modified with a panic room has the choice of moving to less safe property or lose money because the panic room counts as a spare. And Ian Cunting Smith refused to withdraw the demand. http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/18/panic-room-woman-challenges-bedroom-tax
CyclopsRock
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No I'm not, I'm talking as if 'we can just print money' is in any way feasible. The fact that it has been done before is neither here nor there. We can't just print money and throw it at the benefits system (which was my original point with 'the money ran out'). You can argue we should take the money from somewhere else, by all means. I'm not sure I'd agree (depending on the area), but it's better than just printing more money.
So, again, who is denying that the Tories hate* poor people?
As far as I can see, nobody.
*Hate in the internet sense, more contempt than actual hatred.
It's an easy trap to fall into if you're one of the people that did pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
No you misread it, I'm trying to explain why I didn't understand the hate, but now I do see where it comes from.
Seats by percent would be roughly:
Conservatives 51%
Labour 36%
UKIP 0.15%
Lib Dems 1.2%
SNP 8.6%%
Almost 25% of people that voted are represented by 1.5% of the seats.
hopefully now Russell Brand will shut his fucking mouth because nobody gives a shit what he prattles on about.
SymbiantXenos
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Idiot was all about the Internet clicks anyway.
CharmingCharlie
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You look at any private rentings and 9 times out of 10 you will see "Housing Benefit claimants NOT welcome". The only private renters that accept Housing Benefit claimants are the kind of scumbag that shove people in a mouldy rotting property and charge the max they can because the government is paying.
On paper the bedroom tax looks "sensible" and "fair" in reality it is absolutely crucifying and crippling the most vulnerable in society and is horrendously unfair because those affected by the bedroom tax have absolutely no choice or any way to mitigate it whatsoever.
BlazingDarkness
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*Sigh*
Psychotext
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It's contemptible, and that's coming from someone that went from poor to well off... but I also realise that it took as much luck and circumstance as hard work.
Spacejaws
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I know a few people in council housing but not 1 in a single bedroom although they've tried. 1 bedroom housing are not common at all.
I'm not really sure I follow what you're saying. We essentially did print money over the past five years, and pumped it into the financial system. That's what we call quantitative easing. It was a kind of wonky, monetary version of what we should have been doing, which was running up a bigger deficit by cutting taxes and increasing government spending. That's a cure that has a proven track record of actually getting countries out of recessions--it's what got the USA out of the Great Depression, and it was working to pull the UK out of the 06-07 recession until the Tories got into power and started cutting.
Your assertion that it isn't 'feasible' is flatly contradicted by economic fact. It's both feasible and preferable to what we actually did, which mired us in a protracted recession that probably wiped out half a decade of GDP growth from the economy.
Sir_Crocodile
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If the tories hit the projected 331, that's just 5 short of what Major managed in '92.
And the EU will once again be the big issue that could disrupt their paper-thin majority. It's like we're in a time warp or something
And the EU will once again be the big issue that could disrupt their paper-thin majority. It's like we're in a time warp or something
I didn't say it was right, I said it was understandable. Just as it's understandable that people like to assume that success was handed to people by virtue of fortunate circumstances, rather than earned in adversity. It's natural for us to look at others and blame them for being worse off than us, or assume they're better off than us because they got a lucky break.
Either way, I understand why perspectives become skewed when you start off poor, work hard, and end up fairly comfortable. It's easy to assume that others could have done the same.
I'll put it another way then - I'm very glad we didn't elect a party willing to print money and throw it at the benefits system.
Psychotext
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I think he said earlier that he had another year to go.
So you're glad that people voted for a party that--as a matter of pretty much incontestable economic fact circa 2015--prolonged the recession by two or so years, stunted the recovery, and unnecessarily pushed a lot more people into poverty, all under the guise of being 'serious' about the economy? And that this was preferable to a more rapid recovery from the recession because it didn't involve more government spending and, I guess, poor people getting something they don't deserve?
Do you know how few of them there are, and how absurd the council housing waiting times are in some areas for those that there are? If the system was more efficient, it'd make sense, right now it's just heavily penalising some people at no fault of their own, and who simply cannot afford it.
No I don't, because I haven't experienced it first hand, but I have been educated in this thread.
Gove will probably come back in on education now that the election is over. IDS will probably keep his job. I wonder if Cameron will give Boris some minor responsibility or not. Hadn't really thought about deputy, but I feel that's not going to go to one of the potential future leaders.
"I'm just a comedian" Yes, you fucking are.
Don't ever want to see him comment on politics again.
The spare room subsidy (newsflash, it's not a tax it's a reduction of benefits) just needs rethinking a bit.
Only start cutting the benefit when a suitable alternative is available and someone refuses to move without good reason (ie storage of medical equipment or a resident with a registered disability, etc).
People shouldn't be allowed to keep their 3 or 4 bedroom council houses once the kids leave home and there's only 1 or 2 people left living there.
Only start cutting the benefit when a suitable alternative is available and someone refuses to move without good reason (ie storage of medical equipment or a resident with a registered disability, etc).
People shouldn't be allowed to keep their 3 or 4 bedroom council houses once the kids leave home and there's only 1 or 2 people left living there.
"I'm just a comedian" Yes, you fucking are.
Don't ever want to see him comment on politics again.
I give him a few months until he does.
Black Republican
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so that she can run for the #1 spot me thinks
That's actually a good read.
Audioboxer
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Kotetsu534
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The thing about "bootstraps" ideology is that it actually makes great sense for the individual who starts off at the bottom (assuming he or she is at least above average academically). Stay away from bad influences, do well at school, go to uni, get a good degree, get a professional job (I'm stuck on the last one). It makes no sense whatsoever to build a nation on the back of it as long as you need people to do menial jobs, you have surplus labour, and you have people who can't work. We're going to need millions of carers, cleaners, shopworkers, bin men, delivery drivers, joiners etc. for the forseeable future. And we're going to have to make sure they have food, houses, schools, hospitals, pensions etc.
But the country has made its decision, and I respect it.
But the country has made its decision, and I respect it.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Newsflash. The conservatives will do this.
PS benefits are statistically not a budgetary issue. Well, I mean for the poor and disabled. Now the old that is a different matter.
LOL, anyway amazing outcome. Lying lib dems gone, labour 'promise the world but deliver nothing but debt' in tatters and the rest never had a chance anyway. Congrats to SNP a clean sweep.
It's Reyn Time!
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You absolutely don't have to respect it, just live with it.
Gaffercake
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The guy who vowed to eat his hat if the exit poll turned out to be correct, knife and fork at the ready pal! .
.travisbickle
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The "it's good for the economy" rhetoric from large swathes of people is annoying. It just shows they're not directly affected currently, but it's a capitalist economy so at some point what's "good for the economy" is going to be directly bad for them so, you know, what goes around comes around.
Audioboxer
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The guy who vowed to eat his hat if the exit poll turned out to be correct, knife and fork at the ready pal!
lol.
Its just stupid saying things like that.
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