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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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They aren't usually. But a good deal of the population doesn't disclose that they're going to vote Tory, because deep down they know they're doing a bad thing.
SymbiantXenos
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The Ed Balls
CyclopsRock
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I liked the little montage the BBC did at the end of their coverage. Like the one they do at the end of World Cups with Whatever by Oasis playing over slow mo videos of John Terry falling over. By and large they knocked it out the park again with their coverage.
Audioboxer
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The SNP guy in Edinburgh done his campaign no favours. Said stupid shit on twitter. His fault.
A lot of this is fuelled by how crowded the country feels, how large the housing shortage is, and how stretched the welfare system already is just looking after the people born here (regardless of 'race'). That and the news stories showing hundreds if not thousands of migrants queueing up in France, a country in which they're perfectly safe from persecution, with a view to crossing into the UK.
Europe generally is really struggling with the migration issue now, I think things are certainly going to get worse across the whole region. It's like having an open party and expecting about 200 guests, and then 300 turn up, then 400, then 500. There has to be a breaking point somewhere and I think we're getting closer to it. I think Italy or Greece will snap first.
SymbiantXenos
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They'll be rewarded by another heafty cut to their budgets.
Hip hip what what old beans.
CharmingCharlie
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The long term implications for this Election are pretty staggering. Right at this moment I can't see there being a Labour government for another 10 - 15 years (if then). The UK for the foreseeable future is basically becoming a one party right wing state.
I honestly think things are going to get much much worse. We are going to see increased state surveillance, the welfare state will probably be gone within the next decade and the NHS will be privatised and pay per use. Meanwhile thanks to Murdoch and co the English will welcome it with open arms.
Hell at this point I wouldn't bank on the UK staying in Europe. The English have shown they are just stupid enough to actually vote No to Europe in a Referendum.
I honestly think things are going to get much much worse. We are going to see increased state surveillance, the welfare state will probably be gone within the next decade and the NHS will be privatised and pay per use. Meanwhile thanks to Murdoch and co the English will welcome it with open arms.
Hell at this point I wouldn't bank on the UK staying in Europe. The English have shown they are just stupid enough to actually vote No to Europe in a Referendum.
it's not the friendliness, it's the fact you're making a patriotic sales pitch. there's a cultish zealous that's been left over from the referendum which means while i'll lean towards the liberal payload of the scottish agenda, i find the package its delivered in and the glazed partisanship of its supporters all a bit repellent.
definitely not looking forward for the english brand of this bollocks that'll rear up come the EU referendum.
I wasn't really talking about NeoGAF there, just a general case thing. You should see the rage and bile elsewhere, for example Eurogamer. That being said, look at the comment directly above.
Sir_Crocodile
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she just always seems to be salty about something
CyclopsRock
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/general-election-2015-50-promises-5648458
i'm going to reiterate: i cannot believe people voted for this.
i'm going to reiterate: i cannot believe people voted for this.
You make it sound so.... ....sexy.
even your holy infallible nate silver shit the bed on this one.
Oh ok interesting, so would I have one vote for my paliamentary candidate and another for a national party preference?
PJV3
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I don't think it will be that bad. We're at the empire strikes back stage.
A third term can be very tricky.
Audioboxer
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To an extent I see no problem standing up for the country you live in, especially when the policies you see passing are not progressive enough. The SNP are the only progressive party wanting to scrap trident for example. Like it or not a lot of Scottish people want rid of it. Personally I think that is something to be proud of and I'd cheer for Scotland as a country trying to make that move.
Too many people in England associate being proud of Scotland and wanting to be heard and be progressive as an anti-English sentiment. That is fucking stupid, we are proud of what we are trying to do for our country and happy the politicians who are representing us are cheering on a progressive future we can, like it or not, tie to our identity as a nation.
I'm proud of being a progressive Scot who wants to try and shake up Westminster. If anyone, especially English, dislikes me for that it is you choosing to shut me out. I'd offer a hand in friendship to any Brit I met, so no one can ever say to me I dislike the English or want to see you as less important as long as Scotland stays in the UK. I simply want to live as good a life as I can in the country I live in and support progressive politics.
The English and England as a whole should be more focussed on trying to create a progressive England as much as we are. Instead of constantly focussing on Scotland and our politics as if we are in charge of England. The scare tactics nonsense needs to go, English politics needs to get its act together and focus more on its people, not the Scottish people. Yes we are all part of the UK, but standing up for your country as I said in my opening is important.
Immigration is obviously an issue, but ultimately we get net contributions from both EU and International immigrants (in the billions), this is as a matter of fact, whilst we take a net loss from us actual British people. Add to that, a very small percentage of immigrants even claim benefits, so there's that too. Whatever they do, they need to maintain such a balance otherwise income wise we take a bigger hit.
The funny thing is, as much as many properties etc are being bought up by immigrants/expats and the like, a massive portion of properties is also being bought out by foreign (wealthy) investors (from Europe, China, Qatar, Russia etc) who don't even live in some of the properties they buy, especially in some of the nicer parts of London, which is further driving prices up and lending to over crowding. I lived in a pretty nice part of London near Canary Wharf, and I was shocked at how many of the flats in my block were owned by random rich foreign investors, but that also remained empty the vast majority of the time. That just doesn't seem right to me either.
FlammableD
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Woke up this morning and things got worse during the day... What's a dirty lefty to do?
I'm moving to Guildford in a few months, that was safe Tory then, let alone after the Lib Dem collapse: it's bleak.
I'm moving to Guildford in a few months, that was safe Tory then, let alone after the Lib Dem collapse: it's bleak.
Jezbollah
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Highest voter turnout since 1997.
Exactly how I feel. The future is grim for anybody who gives a shit about their fellow man.
Do we know the voter turnout percentage with Scotland taken out of the mix?
CyclopsRock
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Loool
If you voted no in 2011's AV referendum, this is your fault.
Agreed, whoever did that was fucking dumb.
Last time there was a Labour government they got three terms. The time before that the Tories had three terms. So it is possible the Tories get one more term after this, but I think it is going overboard to be quite so dramatic about it - day after emotions notwithstanding.
RedSparrows
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I know EG very well. To be quite frank the 'right' there is pisspoor at making an argument, more than anything else, although there are certainly overreactions and hyperbole, I agree. I don't think you can discount those who do argue with manners.
I would never call the Tories 'evil' unless I was being flippant, which many people often are. I would say I deeply disagree with them, and thus get het up, at times.
I would also say, in my experience, that every single person I know who is politically engaged, is on the left. Those who vote on the right are far less engaged, and thus far less vocal. Purely anecdotal, of course.
HazySaiyan
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Oh no, I wouldn't be taking it lightly, in fact I've wanted to leave England for a long time, so if I did it may as well be somewhere where I speak the language and am only a train ride or two from home. It's just working out the logistics of it and hoping I could find a decent job.
Totally. You just get resigned to it in the end.
AHA-Lambda
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If you voted no in 2011's AV referendum, this is your fault.
Agreed.
If you voted no in 2011's AV referendum, this is your fault.
Whatever the case, this still shows that the country is mostly right wing. At least on this occasion. Lib Dems especially screwed things up and offered a big blow to the left.
Missed this earlier, but it does sound like a good system. With it all being one house as well, it avoids the issues the American system has.
Vivalaraza
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well they aren't going to touch the biggest part of it - pensions - so there's that, if we live long enough!
BibiMaghoo
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Conservative victory is a fucking disaster for our country. Tories over the last five years have fucked up my life considerably, and now we have another five years of it, but without the Lib Dems trying to hold them back.
Terrible outcome.
Terrible outcome.
BertramCooper
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Silver isn't a pollster, though.
Presumably he was weighing a variety of UK polls, and if the polls were uniformly bad, then it's not surprising that his prediction was off.
I haven't personally read any of Silver's stuff on the parliamentary election, but by now I'm pretty familiar with his approach.
If you voted no in 2011's AV referendum, this is your fault.
With AV how were we splitting the local/national parts of the election? Say I put my vote in as usual, how're the seats decided?
I guess if I try to word it better, are the votes collected and just put towards the party, or still towards local candidates?
The Cowboy
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Its really quite sickening, how so many of those get ignored by the general population is frightening.
Says he'll end child poverty by 2020. then via his welfare cuts increases the number of children using food banks by almost 10 times in 5 years, says he won't make people homeless due to the cuts, then has people made homeless (and causes some to starve to death) due to the cuts - all the ones in the list targeted at the poorest are shocking (especially as someone affected by a lot of them)..
I hate this country right now, really bloody hate it.
SymbiantXenos
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Good
Live coverage of the egg and spoon race championship, coming to you live.
St Ives is the last one left to declare but it was a marginal LibDem seat challenged by Conservatives so I expect they'll win (not knowing anything about the place's political history).
So it's
CON: 331
LAB: 232
SNP: 56
LD: 8
DUP: 8
SF: 4
PC: 3
SDLP: 3
UUP: 2
UKIP: 1
GREEN: 1
So it's
CON: 331
LAB: 232
SNP: 56
LD: 8
DUP: 8
SF: 4
PC: 3
SDLP: 3
UUP: 2
UKIP: 1
GREEN: 1
The Tories had four terms between 1979 and 1997, not three. And New Labour was not the kind of 'left wing' experiment that anybody wants to repeat anytime soon--they were essentially a slightly nicer continuation of Thatcher's political project.
If you voted no in 2011's AV referendum, this is your fault.
Just so people are clear AV wouldn't in anyway prevent this.
It's a good voting system but it doesn't exactly mean proportionate representation.
In Australia we have compulsory preferential (number every box) in Australia and most seats still tend to congregate around the major parties, even though some minor parties do quite well.
We do have compulsory voting so that also produces such an outcome but I still find it unlikely that switching to AV would suddenly make your electoral system proportiante.
Here is our previous Australian election for reference.
Got some good butter there, but it's not quite Kerrygold.
This ends Hasney's lesson on St Ives.
The pasties aren't bad either.
SymbiantXenos
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I met a man there once.
EdibleExplosives
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Another five years of Tory shite. Fantastic.
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