RedSparrows
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It's not like they increased national debt, or owt.
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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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Saint Titanfall
The guy who vowed to eat his hat if the exit poll turned out to be correct, knife and fork at the ready pal!.
Technically it was off by a fair few seats. Just not the way people expected.
It does astonish me how wrong polls were beforehand. Again.
No matter how much they correct for it, the UK always seems to have a larger 'shy Tory' vote than any predicted.
The pollsters at Survation must be kicking themselves. Their final day poll had the tories at 37% and labour just over 30%, but they didn't release because it was out of step with all the other pollsters so they thought it must be wrong...
No matter how much they correct for it, the UK always seems to have a larger 'shy Tory' vote than any predicted.
The pollsters at Survation must be kicking themselves. Their final day poll had the tories at 37% and labour just over 30%, but they didn't release because it was out of step with all the other pollsters so they thought it must be wrong...
Cheers! Not gonna lie, already started looking at jobs north of the border.
only if you have the stomach for dewy eyed saltire waving exceptionalism.
The guy who vowed to eat his hat if the exit poll turned out to be correct, knife and fork at the ready pal!
They were far from accurate though? Unless he meant the order of the parties?
Baleoce
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I think he was referring moreso at the time to the exit polls projected performance of the Lib Dems in particular.
paradox121
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Sorry if this has already been asked but does anyone know who the frontrunners for Labour leadership are? If it's a bunch of white, middle-aged, dark haired men I may cry.
Charles Brandon
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Well yeah but that's not what the policy is about. It was obvious before the policy went in that lack of ability to move would be a problem for people. It has been doubly obvious since the tax came in. Have they changed it? No. Why? Because the intention is to cut the benefits bill by docking them payments for having an extra room, not to move people into more suitable accommodation.
Yea, a sloth of people who read the sordid newspaper rags and are less likely to use the Internet as much, or be as actively listed for telephone, postal and email samplings, nor as responsive to them.
a white woman, a black guy and an action man.
I think it was more a response to Lib Dems dropping from 57 to 10 seats, and they ended up with 8.
If you strongly identify as left wing, then this won't help you feel any better - but I don't think the Tories or right wing politics have won anything 'forever'. Both Conservatives and Labour have moved massively to the centre to try and widen their appeal. That has the secondary effect of isolating those with core left/right wing beliefs. One of the political balancing acts they need to try and do, and often fail at.
This is what I got when I expressed my fear that Harriet Harman might get it:
ANuclearError
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After Jim's somewhat surprising decision to actually stay on as Leader after that massacre up here, I almost expect him to stand.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Two big contenders are Yvette cooper and Chuka Umunna. So no.
Beaten.
But I really hope it isn't Chuka. He's so underwhelming and unremarkable. Yvette Cooper is great imo if her heart's in it.
A few of the potential candidates mooted are Chuka Umunna, Yvette Cooper, Andy Burnham and Dan Jarvis thus far. So a pretty diverse bunch imo.
HazySaiyan
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I'm honestly debating with myself how feasible it is for me to move. I have no sanctuary as a lefty down here.
AHA-Lambda
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Charles Brandon
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One white northern male, one black muslim southern male, a couple of white women (can't remember where they come from).
Tick enough boxes for you? Not enough lesbians?
mekes
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Sir_Crocodile
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Chuka Umunna
I don't know how well that'd work, he does terribly on question time
This is because any attempt to engage some elements of left wing support in conversation instantly degrades into racist/selfish/etc type abuse. So we've learned not to bother talking, there's nothing more futile than reasoning with a shouty aggressive person.
I've traditionally been a Conservative voter but if you gave me the choice between choosing an overall majority and another Libdem coalition, I'd have to go for the latter because it's more balanced and closer to my actual beliefs, while Labour and LD alone are about a million miles from them.
The Libdem voters who deserted them in this election really should feel ashamed. They didn't sell out, they didn't stab anyone in the back, they turned a third place vote into real influence in government decisions while giving a voice to a wider pool of opinion and getting approximately 75% of their manifesto through. This was the entirely correct democratic thing to do, and their supporters have deserted them for it because they didn't get absolutely everything they wanted, the fickle selfish bastards. Funny how you can apply that selfish label to things so easily.
Here's a list of some things Libdems achieved:
http://www.markpack.org.uk/129190/what-the-lib-dems-have-stopped-the-tories-doing/
So yeah, as a supporter of another party, I really feel LD got unfairly screwed last night. Our local candidate was defeated by a tiny margin which is a shame since he was a decent, honest, hard working member with a good voting record.
Audioboxer
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Well jokes aside I would say no one should ever take a move lightly. Especially in regards to family and job security.
But don't believe scare tactics about the Scottish on a whole. While there are nationalist idiots in every country who create hate based divides, living here all my life I'd happily say the majority of us are a decent friendly bunch who'll get on with everyone. Especially if you're for progressive politics, good ideas and taking care of the vulernable.
We definitely do not have the strange bubble world London lives in. Besides a few pockets in major cities there isn't really a feeling anywhere in Scotland has much more power and wealth than anywhere else.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
He's just not very good
electroshockwave
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The conservatives moved to the centre on some social issues like gay marriage but even then more Conservative MPs voted against it than for it and they needed Labour MPs to pass the bill. But economically it is absolutely untrue to say that they have moved to the centre.
He's the favourite according to the Guardian, but I agree.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
I agree with most of your post and mourn the liberal defeat. However many voters were put off my the explicit betrayal of the tuition fee pledge. It is hard to argue that these people are wrong to loathe the lds. If you lie or deceive in your manifesto you should be punished.
Also they shed voters by virtue of being a protest party aligned with those being protested against (Tories). This is a less justifiable criticism, though.
Perhaps not forever, but certainly for the foreseeable future. I doubt we'll see a genuinely left-wing government in my lifetime. The genuine left wing of British politics is dead, and its achievements are now being deconstructed.
PJV3
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His record is bad even Ignoring the Staffs scandal.
What do you guys have against Europe?
Honestly, the biggest sticking point seems to be immigration. Apparently many people are happy to do away with improved trade connections, better human and consumer rights and everything else, because of it.
It really is a shame England doesn't have the progressive alternative it so desperately needs. I'd be completely disillusioned with politics if I lived south of the border, probably to the point of complete apathy. Much like how I used to feel in Scotland I suppose before the run up to the referendum.
it's this kind of flatulence inhalation that i was talking about.
Audioboxer
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Which is silly. Immigration is a very important matter to consider and talk about, but some of the nonsense said about it during this election is shocking.
RedSparrows
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That shouldn't happen, but I'd say on here the response from left-wingers has (largely) been pretty reasonable. In RL it's gonna vary. Rest assured there are plenty of left-wingers who are decent, reasonable souls.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Is it?
Immigrants have always been an easy target for electioneering. Short memories I guess.
It is so much easier to make arguments against immigration because you can point to specific local examples. The way our brain works makes that more persuasive than thinking of the macro/national benefits of immigration to a nation.
Audioboxer
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Not really sure what your point is. We've always been said to be a friendly bunch, especially when we travel abroad. Say what you want I guess, but I'm happy with how friendly the majority of Scots I meet are.
Number of people claiming they'll move to Scotland today = 346,212.
Number of people that will actually move to Scotland = 4.
Number of people that will move back when they realise it didn't solve their problems = 3.
The other guy died in a loch-skiing accident. He'd have moved back too though.
Number of people that will actually move to Scotland = 4.
Number of people that will move back when they realise it didn't solve their problems = 3.
The other guy died in a loch-skiing accident. He'd have moved back too though.
paradox121
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Thanks guys.
Umunna always seems like he's on the verge of breaking down. Cooper would be great though.
Umunna always seems like he's on the verge of breaking down. Cooper would be great though.
Audioboxer
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Shocking as in blaming immigrants for some of the things they were. Not shocking it's spoken about. I agree it's a big discussion point and worthy of being on the forefronts of the election.
PJV3
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I'm not sure about Cooper, maybe being free of the home office would mellow her out somewhat.
She's capable, but hardly inspiring from a left wing view.
Charles Brandon
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I bet Balls would love that. One minute he's about to be chancellor of the exchequer, the next he's lost his job, become a cheerleader for his wife and a stay-at-home-dad.
BertramCooper
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Question from an American: Why are UK pollsters so lousy?
More Fun To Compute
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Comment about Yvette Cooper from the depths of popular youtube comments.
She sounds literally worse than Hitler. wow.
Just a really complicated system designed to give skewed results.
She sounds literally worse than Hitler. wow.
Just a really complicated system designed to give skewed results.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
You could say she'd have him by the balls
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