CyclopsRock
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Yeah, like spending loads of money they don't have guffaw guffaw guffaw
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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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Yeah, like spending loads of money they don't have guffaw guffaw guffaw
Napoleonthechimp
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This is the first election in which I won't be voting as I have become too accustomed to having no voice in political matters. I blame it (in part) on being registered in a constituency that has been in the tory's pocket for many years.
In other words: The system is shit and there is no one worth voting for.
In other words: The system is shit and there is no one worth voting for.
About 40% of the electorate have the same attitude as you. This propagates the status quo even further. At least get yourself registered and spoil your vote if you have to so you're part of the turnout.
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Yeah, this. I can understand not voting, even if I disagree with it, but you should at a minimum spoil your ballot to indicate it is from dislike rather than disinterest.
You do know a number of Labour MSPs were for independence right? It's an issue that crosses political lines. It was a manifesto pledge and they kept to it. You can't deny that the SNP have done a fantastic job in Scotland.
i'm in the same boat
my constituency is one of the safest Tory seats in the entire country, since my constituency was set up in 1945 we've never had a non-conservative mp for this constituency. So unless you vote Tory you're wasting your time.
Portugeezer
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I don't like anyone.
You guys realise you're in a pretty big boat, right?
Psychotext
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Got to meet our local Conservative candidate when he called at the house. I was initially surprised at how MASSIVELY OVERWEIGHT he was. On looking later I noticed that in all of his literature he's only ever photographed from the chest up. Clever boy. 
Only had a quick chat, but if I'm honest he came off as a bit of a public school toff... which probably suits the area quite well.
Still, I guess the good part about living in an insanely tight constituency is actually getting to meet the candidates.
Only had a quick chat, but if I'm honest he came off as a bit of a public school toff... which probably suits the area quite well.Still, I guess the good part about living in an insanely tight constituency is actually getting to meet the candidates.
Got to meet our local Conservative candidate when he called at the house. I was initially surprised at how MASSIVELY OVERWEIGHT he was. On looking later I noticed that in all of his literature he's only ever photographed from the chest up. Clever boy.
Still, I guess the good part about living in an insanely tight constituency is actually getting to meet the candidates.
Why does that matter? As long as the policies and attitude are/is right.
Psychotext
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That was the point, I'm not even close to convinced he has a clue what life is like for average Joe. Not even average middle class Joe. Just the impression I got from our brief discussion.
It could be argued that our current immigration system is racist and discriminatory and the reason for that is because it is.
I'm not a fan of Ukips by any stretch but it amuses me how people call them racist for wanting a worldwide points based system and they can't see how our current system is much much worse.
People call UKIP racist because they are racist, not because they want to implement a points based system
Nope, can't see any racist connotations in their manifesto, only proposals for less worldwide discrimination and racism. Proposing a worldwide points system that treats everyone the same is about as unracist as it gets.
The fact that they haven't got the gumption to argue this point speaks volumes though.
There will be closet racists with extreme views in pretty much every party it's just how some people think.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
JESUS CHRIST come on man
although I do agree that EU immigration rules inhibit non-EU immigration and would like to encourage more of that. However nobody in good faith could believe that UKIP would be for more immigration.
What, I'm not advocating voting for them but saying they are racist whilst advocating the current system yourself is hypocritical at best. It should be noted that most political parties are promoting less immigration, which means more discrimination as they will have to block non EU nationals even more than they have already.
Its farcical IMO.
Billy_Pilgrim
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How long until the Tories really begin to implode?
I can't see them holding their nerve another week.
I can't see them holding their nerve another week.
Well, obviously ukip aren't putting anything directly racist in their manifesto. But it's still Farage's party, so it's still the party that wants to allow employers to discriminate based on race and gender, wants to get rid of mandatory holidays, maternity pay and sick pay. They haven't changed, they're just learning to fool idiots.
CyclopsRock
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What do you mean? They aren't doing well, but they're ahead (slightly) in the poll of polls and it's not like they're making a load of gaffes.
PJV3
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They couldn't defeat the psycho scot who destroyed the country, now they cannot defeat the wally who can't even eat a bacon buttie
This isn't the formidable conservative party I grew up with.
Billy_Pilgrim
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As things stand they cannot form a government. They're hemorrhaging votes to UKIP, the majority of the country detests them and they've started a war against Scotland.
The leader has already said that he's not standing next time round, it doesn't look like he has much chance of winning this election, the 'useless' Miliband is bookies' favourite to be next PM. They've trashed their angle of economic competence by proposing blank cheque giveaways and Miliband's personal ratings are increasing week on week. The latest desperate lurch is to paint the SNP as evil, at a time when the people of Britain are getting a look at Nicola Sturgeon and deciding that they actually prefer her to Cameron. It is a disaster of a campaign for them.
Unless they pull clear very shortly, the knives will be out. They're already being sharpened. Think of all the money that has been put behind this Tory machine. What is it being spent on? SNP publicity? Do you think those donors and their lobby groups and the backbenchers tied to them are sitting pleased with how it's going?
If I were a Tory I'd be distraught at how useless they've been in this campaign. It's a microcosm of their entire time in Government.
PJV3
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Yep.
I'm actually starting to believe Ed 'the unstoppable sex machine' Miliband might become PM.
I still think the Tories will wangle it in the end, but I'm not as sure anymore. The party won't be happy just scraping in with a coalition again, Cameron will be gone fairly soon I think.
PJV3
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You should vote labour, you sound like a failure to me.
QuicheFontaine
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Bacon bagel? Butties not good enough for you? You're out of touch with the common man.
Sir_Crocodile
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probably never even posed for a photo outside a greggs
PJV3
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I forgot about the great cornish pasty scandal.
Sir_Crocodile
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cam's westland
I just want May 7th to be here already, don't think I can take much more of the current arguments. I don't understand why when people bring up the SNP wanting independence no one mentions that it doesn't matter if 50 MPs want independence just like it doesn't matter if 50 MPs don't want Trident, why does no one ask the Tory spokesperson if they would vote against the Trident replacement in opposition?
The whole "I'm fighting for an overall majority" line needs to die after our second coalition/minority government.
The whole "I'm fighting for an overall majority" line needs to die after our second coalition/minority government.
PJV3
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A man who lied about a pasty versus a man who can't eat a sandwich. Explains the tight polls.
CyclopsRock
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Heh, I think this is a particularly unsympathetic view. Like I said, they're running a bad campaign but to take your points one by one...
- There's no evidence to suggest they're hemorrhaging votes to UKIP. Basically everyone is staying static, which - if anything - UKIP falling back somewhat.
- The "war against Scotland" - eh? You mention that their "latest desperate lurch" is about the SNP but a) their first poster of the Campaign was the Salmond-miliband-pocket one, and that's entirely intentional. They're basically advertising on the SNP's behalf because they want them to wipe out Labour in Scotland. Constitutionally it's a dangerous tactic, but there are a lot of English Labour MP's who are aghast at the idea of working with the SNP. From a "forming a government" point of view, it doesn't actually matter if Labour win a seat or the SNP win a seat, but the more the SNP win, the less likely they'll actually be able to form a working majority.
- Go look at the polls on economic competence and tell me they've "trashed their angle".
- All that money? Thy have a lot of money but there's not much evidence to suggest they're actually spending it (rather than keeping it for a second election) - they don't have more posters and adverts or flyers or or or.
As for the rest, it's certainly true that Miliband's personal opinion ratings are going up, and that a lot of people are disappointed by how the campaign's been going. But that's a different thing to your hyperbole machine.
CyclopsRock
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Well it's precisely because of coalitions that the specific policy positions of the smaller parties - like independence, FFA, trident etc - is relevant in a way it isn't usually. Besides, why would you ask if the Tory's would vote against Trident in opposition? They absolutely would vote for it. It's party policy.
Their policy announcement of a Scottish Report card for the people in England to see exactly what those dirty scrounging Scots are getting this morning is essentially a war on the union. Gawd bless them.
Lest We Forget
CyclopsRock
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Strange, got a link? I can't find anything out about it.
PJV3
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You want the government to set prices for corn based snacks? Or to nationalise production of pickled onion products?
Clause 4 is dead and buried.
Billy_Pilgrim
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Precisely this.
Cameron is doing more to foster bad relations within the union than he is to work towards winning a majority. I fundamentally disagree with the SNP, but they're being elected by a democratic mandate. To go around saying that they're bad for democracy is in effect a war of words with the Scots.
Vivalaraza
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Is there any indication yet on what the turnout will be?
Succinct Verbosity
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I have no idea, but I personally predict it wont be at all high. It is an exciting election for those paying attention what with the polling percentages, but when people are picking between Cameron and Milliband it's hard to get the average person enthused about voting.
It's a logical play for the conservatives though. I don't think they are doing this stupidly - I think this is being done deliberately to deliver on two goals.
1) bolster support from their base. My father is standing as a tory councillor (again), and I sactive in the party. They loathe the SNP to a ridiculous level - the right wing press has been slamming them for *years*.
2) bolster support for the SNP. This sort of offensive, anti-scotland rubbish will drive up the SNP vote even more, as they are now seen as the only party that can take on the Tories. Bolstering the SNP weakens labour, and all that matters to them is the balance of power in Westminster.
It's a perfect example of the Cameron government in one place - tactics over strategy, short term politics over long term statesmanship, and a subtle nod to the inbuilt racism of his party.
1) bolster support from their base. My father is standing as a tory councillor (again), and I sactive in the party. They loathe the SNP to a ridiculous level - the right wing press has been slamming them for *years*.
2) bolster support for the SNP. This sort of offensive, anti-scotland rubbish will drive up the SNP vote even more, as they are now seen as the only party that can take on the Tories. Bolstering the SNP weakens labour, and all that matters to them is the balance of power in Westminster.
It's a perfect example of the Cameron government in one place - tactics over strategy, short term politics over long term statesmanship, and a subtle nod to the inbuilt racism of his party.
Billy_Pilgrim
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The key thing is though, that bolstering the SNP does not necessarily weaken Labour.
Those seats are still anti Tory votes in a queen's speech.
A labour minority government is infinitely preferable to a labour majority government. A labour minority with SNP support will not last 5 years, and labour literally cannot afford to fight another election anytime soon. Heck, they can't afford to fight this election. The conservatives cannot win this election, they can read the polls as much as we can - it's basically impossible for them to get a majority. But they can afford to win the next election, and if all that matters, above anything else, is getting power then bowing up the union is a decent way to do it for them.
My betting is now a labour minority government, which falls after two years tops and is followed by a conservative majority government headed up by Theresa May.
My betting is now a labour minority government, which falls after two years tops and is followed by a conservative majority government headed up by Theresa May.
CyclopsRock
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Thanks. That does seem shitty.
Who knows, maybe Cameron will even offer the SNP FFA in exchange for a S&C agreement for a queen's speech and a few budgets. Given that FFA would be pretty catestrophic for the Scottish finances, maybe it'd kill any move for full independence.
CyclopsRock
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A good analysis of why Ed Milliband is about to be our next PM. The numbers just don't add up for anyone else, unless you believe that current polling has got it totally, comprehensively wrong.
History. The SNP brought down James Callaghan's Labour government, which led to the election of the Conservatives under the leadership of one Margaret Thatcher. Labour haven't been too happy with the SNP ever since, because however much they hate the Tories, they hate Tory enablers (SNP then, Lib Dems now) even more.
History. The SNP brought down James Callaghan's Labour government, which led to the election of the Conservatives under the leadership of one Margaret Thatcher. Labour haven't been too happy with the SNP ever since, because however much they hate the Tories, they hate Tory enablers (SNP then, Lib Dems now) even more.
Billy_Pilgrim
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You've also got commentary from Boris Johnson today, comparing Nicola Sturgeon to King Herod and Lady Macbeth.
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